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GOOD EVENING CHAIR CALLS TO ORDER PUBLIC HEARING FOR BILL 22 DASH ZERO 14.
ASSESSORY STRUCTURE, MR. SHREDS.
THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS THAT IT REMOVES THE WORD HABITABLE SPACE FROM THE CURRENT CODE AND REPLACES IT WITH THE PRINCIPAL STRUCK TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PRINCIPAL'S STRUCTURE.
AND, UM, SO IT WOULD BE THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE COULD BE 50% OF THE TOTAL FOOTPRINT OF THE, UM, I'M SORRY, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE CAN BE 50% OF THE SIZE OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD BE AT DWELLING.
SO, UM, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT DOES.
IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO FOLKS THAT WANT ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR THEIR BELONGINGS, UM, LIKE A GARAGE.
UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT DOES.
IT IS ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS HABITABLE SPACE, THAT THEY ARE GIVING CREDIT FOR THE BASEMENT ALREADY.
SO IF WE HAD A CHANGE IN POLICY OR A CHANGE IN ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD KIND OF BE UP IN THE AIR AND WE DON'T KNOW, UM, HOW THAT WOULD GO.
UM, SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY, UM, WOULD IT DOES, UM, ALSO CURRENTLY GARAGES CAN BE ANY SIZE IF THEY'RE ATTACHED TO A PRINCIPAL DWELLING OR HOME VIA A BREEZEWAY.
SO YOU CAN GO IN AS LARGE AS YOU WANT ALREADY.
AND IT HAPPENS TO BE THAT THE FOLKS THAT REACHED OUT TO ME, THEY COULD PUT THE SAME EXACT STRUCTURE IN THE SAME LOCATION.
HOWEVER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SPEND ABOUT 25 TO $30,000 TO ATTACH IT WITH A BREEZEWAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
THE OTHER THING WITH THE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, IF YOU GET PERMITS FOR THEM, YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
THIS WOULD MINIMIZE SOMEBODY REPLICATING SEVERAL BUILDINGS WHEN THEY COULD MAYBE HAVE IT ALL UNDER ONE ROOF, BY BEING ABLE TO HAVE A SLIGHTLY LARGER FOOTPRINT BASED ON 50% OF THE SQUARE FOOT OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING.
ALSO, I FEEL THAT IN THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WHERE, UM, YOU HAVE PUBLIC, UM, WATER AND SEWER, THAT IN MOST CASES, UM, WITH THOSE SMALLER LOT SIZES, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'LL EVER REALLY HAVE A SCENARIO WHERE SOMEBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE A DETACHED GARAGE, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, SO I THINK THAT COVERS ON THAT.
I'M TRYING TO HIT ON SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY COME UP AS BEING A POSSIBLE CONCERN, BUT, UM, THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU CAN DO THE SAME BUILDING.
YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO ATTACH IT, OR YOU COULD HAVE A DETACHED STRUCTURE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE MO THERE'S ALREADY REQUIREMENT, NO MATTER WHAT SIZE PRINCIPAL DWELLING YOU HAVE, YOU CAN DO A MINIMUM OF A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT ASSESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO YOU COULD HAVE 1, 2, 3, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST GO A LITTLE LARGER, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE, YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL UNDER ONE ROOF.
AND WE ALL KNOW, UM, ESPECIALLY RECENTLY A LOT MORE FOLKS ARE GETTING INTO RVS AND BOATS AND OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY, THEY NEED MORE SPACE.
YOU KNOW, YOU DRIVE DOWN THESE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, YOU SEE THESE, UM, YARDS WHERE PEOPLE STORE THESE, UM, RECREATIONAL, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, BOATS AND, AND SUCH, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY COULD MAYBE HAVE IT AT THEIR HOME, IF THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE AND KEEP THEM OUT OF THE WEATHER.
UM, I DID RECEIVE A, UM, FEEDBACK FROM ONE CONSTITUENT AND WANT TO WORK WITH, UM, BILL TO ADDRESS THAT.
APPARENTLY THERE'S A, UM, A REQUIREMENT AND HAVING TO DO WITH, UM, SIX AND A HALF FOOT IN THIS SCENARIO.
UM, SEEMS LIKE A CERTAIN NEIGHBOR WAS, UM, TAKING CREDIT FOR A BASEMENT THAT WE, THEY FEEL IS LESS THAN THE SIX AND A HALF, UH, HEIGHT AND, AND INCLUDING THAT AS, UH, AS SPACE, BUT THEN THE WAY THE ASSESSORY STRUCTURE WAS CONSTRUCTED, THAT IT WAS LESS THAN THAT.
BUT OF COURSE ON ALL BUILDING PERMITS FOR ACCESSORIES, IT
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SAYS MAY NOT BE USED FOR HABITABLE SPACE.HOWEVER, THEY'RE USING THAT AS A RE AS, AS THEIR DIMENSION.
SO IF YOU WENT ABOVE SIX AND A HALF FOOT, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE CALCULATION.
AND IN THIS CASE IT WAS SHY OF THAT.
SO IT WASN'T IN THE CALCULATION OF THE ASSESSORY, HOWEVER, THEY WERE USING A NUMBER IN THE, UM, THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE TO GET A HIGHER NUMBER.
SO THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO TRY TO WORK ON WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, WITH BOTH
BUT, UM, IT'S KIND OF PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE SITUATION, UM, IN THAT CASE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT COMES DOWN TO A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW FOR A DESIGN THAT, UM, BE IN SCALE WITH THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE OF 50%, BUT I'LL SAY MINIMUM MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF ASSESSORS STRUCTURES AND ALSO THE COST THAT IT IS COSTING OUR COUNTY RESIDENTS BY HAVING NEW ATTACH THEM VIA A BREEZEWAY OR AN ADDITION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. SHREDS COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. SCHROEDER? UM, MS. DICKSON, WE DID RECEIVE CORRESPONDENCE THAT HE REFERRED TO.
WE DO WANT TO PUT THAT IN THE RECORD AT THE MR. LYNCH'S REQUEST.
THE OTHER THING IS I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS IN THE, IF YOU'RE ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND YOU'RE ASSESSED AGRICULTURAL, THAT YOU CAN BUILD A BUILDING ANY SIZE ON YOUR PROPERTY.
AND, UM, SOMETIMES THERE ARE CASES WHERE THAT COULD BE CONVERTED INTO SOMETHING AND LATER ON.
SO IF WE CAN HAVE PEOPLE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ACTUALLY GETTING PERMITS, THEN WE'LL HOPEFULLY MINIMIZE, UM, THE BUILDINGS THAT AREN'T GETTING PERMITS OR ILLEGALLY PUT IN.
UM, AS, AS AG, UH, YOU DO NEED PERMITS OF COURSE, FOR YOUR ELECTRICAL AND YOUR PLUMBING, BUT, UM, SOMETIMES THESE BUILDINGS COULD BE THERE AND A NEW OWNER COMES IN AND THEY RETROFIT.
SO I THINK THIS MAY MINIMIZE THAT AS WELL.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THOSE WOULD BE TRUE FOR, UM, AGRICULTURAL PURPOSES AND THIS WOULD BE MORE FOR PERSONAL AND STORAGE AND SUCH, SO, OKAY, MR. GINGER IN IT.
UM, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE IN THE, IT'S ALL IN THE AG ZONE AND WHY THE FIVE ACRES, BECAUSE THEN SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT FOUR ACRES COULD STILL BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH, UH, UNDERNEATH THAT ACREAGE, CORRECT? CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE LIMITING THIS TO GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES, BUT IF SOMEBODY HAS FOUR ACRES, AS YOU JUST SAID, WITH AN AGRICULTURAL, THEY CAN PUT ANY KIND OF BUILDING THEY WANT.
AND WHETHER IT'S AN ACCESSORY DWELLING OR NOT OVER HALF OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ZONED IN ASSESSED AG, REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER ACRES.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE USUALLY, USUALLY IT'S NOT AS LOW AS FIVE ACRES.
I WOULD SAY MOST AG ZONED AG ASSESS PROPERTIES ARE OVER 10 ACRES.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOME ARE 25, 5100, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY ACRES, BUT IT'S REALLY A SEPARATE KIND OF A, IT'S KIND OF A SEPARATE THING.
SO WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THE FIVE ACRES OUT AND JUST PUT AGRICULTURAL CAUSE THEN, THEN ANYTHING OTHER FIVE ACRES.
IF YOU DO HAVE A FARM THAT'S 3.7 IN AGRICULTURE AND OUR SHORT THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE.
IF YOU, IF YOU ARE OVER FIVE ACRES, YOU ALREADY YOU'RE ALLOWED TO GO UP TO 2,500 SQUARE FEET OR THE SAME 50% RULE THAT WE HAVE.
IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE ANYTHING UNDER FIVE ACRES.
WHAT IF YOU'RE UNDER FIVE ACRES, HOW, HOW DOES THIS AFFECT UNDER FIVE ACRES? IT'S ALL THIS REALLY DOES.
IT'S HOW YOU CALCULATE TO GET TO YOUR 50%.
I UNDERSTAND THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU'RE AG OR IN ANY ZONING DISTRICT, BUT THE WAY THIS RE, BUT THE WAY THIS READS, IT SAYS FOR PROPERTIES GREATER THAN FIVE.
SO IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE NOT EXCLUDING THERE, INCLUDING, SO YOU'RE JUST SAYING THE WAY THAT READS AND I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT SAYS GREAT FOR PROPERTY GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES IN THE, FOR STICK.
SO IF THEY'RE UNDER FIVE ACRES, THEY CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN UNDER FIVE AND OVER FIVE IS THAT YOU CAN GO UP TO 2,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND IF YOU'RE LESS THAN A FIVE ACRES, YOU CAN
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AUTOMATICALLY GO TO A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.SO IF LIKE, IF YOU HAD A RANCH HOME KIND OF THING, AND LET'S SAY YOUR HOUSE WAS 1200 SQUARE FOOT, YOU COULD GO UP TO A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT ON YOUR, UM, WHEN YOUR GARAGE, OR CAN THEY BUILD THE BREEZEWAY, LIKE YOU SAID, AND BUILD SOMETHING OVER THERE.
YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE A GARAGE THAT'S MANY TIMES BIGGER THAN YOUR HOUSE, IF IT'S ATTACHED.
SO YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE A GARAGE ATTACHED AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE ANOTHER GARAGE ATTACHED TO THAT AS WELL, IF YOU WANT IT.
CAUSE I KNOW A COUPLE THAT ARE DONE THAT WAY.
I GUESS SHE CAME TO CAN'T AND THEN IT'S PART OF YOUR HOUSE, ESSENTIALLY.
THAT IS THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING AT THAT POINT.
BUT YOU, WELL, IT'S NOT PART OF YOUR HOUSE, IT'S, IT'S AN ATTACHED STRUCTURE TO YOUR HOUSE.
BUT THE WAY, THE WAY IT'S LOOKED AT AND THE WAY THAT IT'S KIND OF CLASSIFIED AS, AS YOUR PRINCIPAL STRESS.
AS I, AS I'M LOOKING AT IT AS TO ENSURE IT IS, THERE'S A PRIMARY RESIDENCE WHEN AN ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE OR AN ATTACHED FOUR CAR GARAGE, WHETHER IT'S TWO, TWO CARS OR ONE, FOUR CAR, IT'S STILL AN ATTACHED STRUCTURE, IT'S NOT PART OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN HOW BIG IS THAT ATTACHED STRUCTURE AND IS THEIR LIVING SPACE ABOVE THAT ATTACHED STRUCTURE.
AND IN THAT CASE, YOU COULD HAVE LIVING SPACE ABOVE THE GARAGE BECAUSE IT'S ESSENTIALLY WHEN IT'S ATTACHED.
AND PART OF THAT PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE, WHICH WOULD BE A DWELLING, UM, YOU, YOU COULD HAVE LIVING SPACE AND YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE YOUR GARAGE BIGGER THAN YOUR HOUSE IN THAT CASE.
AND I KNOW WE BOTH ARE AWARE OF PROBABLY SOME OF THE SAME WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT'S DONE BETTER, BUT THE WAY PLANNING AND ZONING LOOKS AT IT IS THAT, UM, THAT WOULD ALL BE YOUR PRINCIPAL, UH, STRUCTURE.
IN THAT CASE, THIS WOULD MINIMIZE THOSE KINDS OF ODD LOOKING, UM, PRINCIPLE STRUCTURES OR, OR, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH ATTACHED GARAGE IS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE PREFERRED TO SEPARATE IT.
HOWEVER, THE WAY THE LAW IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO GO ABOUT IT IS TO ATTACH IT.
IS THERE ANY CAN GO AS BIG AS THEY WANT ANYONE ELSE? MS. DIXON, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP AND SIGNED UP MR. PRESIDENT? ALL RIGHT.
UH, THIS WILL CONCLUDE HIS PUBLIC HEARING ON BILL 22 DASH ZERO 14, AND WE WILL CONSIDER IT AT A LATER DATE BILL 22 DASH ZERO 15 REVISED PRIOR TO YOUR BOND BILLS, MR. LOUIS, MR. SALFORD, GOOD EVENING.
UH, COUNCIL PRESIDENT WOULD PROBABLY ASK IF WE COULD, UH, TAKE UP ALL THREE OF THESE BILLS AND THE SAME COMMENTS, THE OBJECTIONS, GOOD EVENING.
COUNCIL, PRESIDENT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
LOUIS HARFORD COUNTY TREASURER HERE WITH JOHN SOFTWARE, OUR BOND COUNCIL HERE WITH SOMETHING WE BRING, UH, EACH AND EVERY YEAR, WHICH IS OUR BOND AUTHORIZATION BILL THAT FOLLOWS RIGHT AFTER OUR, UM, UH, ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET.
AND FOR THE MOST PART, REALLY WHAT THIS ENTAILS IS THAT ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAD BOND FUNDING, UH, ON THEM EITHER NEW BONDS OR REALLOCATED BONDS IN THE BUDGET, UM, WE THEN ASKED FOR A BOND AUTHORIZATION, UM, UH, FOR THOSE, UH, FOR THOSE PROJECTS ON AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT BASIS, UH, BEFORE ACTUAL SPENDING ON ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS WOULD, UH, WOULD COMMENCE.
SO I WILL LET, UM, OUR BOND COUNCIL KIND OF JUST FUCK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE LEGISLATION.
THEN I'LL COME BACK AND TOUCH ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS AS WELL AS, UM, HOW THE PROCESS WILL PLAY OUT AFTER THIS POINT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, JOHN STAUFFER STOCKBRIDGE BOND COUNSEL, UH, BILL 2216 AUTHORIZED AS THE COUNTY TO ISSUE IT'S GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 120 MILLION, $360,000.
THE PROCEEDS OF WHICH WILL BE USED TO FUND THE CA COUNTY'S CAPITAL PROGRAM.
BILL DESCRIBES THE VARIOUS CAPITAL PROJECTS, WHICH MR. SANLESS WILL DETAIL AND THE RESPECTIVE AMOUNTS TO BE FUNDED WITH THE PROCEEDS OF THE BONDS.
IN ADDITION TO THE MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL AMOUNT OF THE BONDS, THE BILL FURTHER PROVIDES A MAXIMUM MATURITY OF 20 YEARS AND SETS FORTH THE AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE, UH, SUBJECT TO CHANGE BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL.
THE BILL PROVIDES PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE BONDS.
THE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL SHALL DETERMINE BY ADMINISTRATIVE RESOLUTION, THE ESSENTIAL TERMS AND DETAILS OF THE BONDS,
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INCLUDING THE INTEREST RATE ON THE BONDS, THE COUNTY'S FULL FAITH AND CREDIT AND TAXING POWERS ARE PLEDGED TO THE REPAYMENT OF THE BONDS PURSUANT TO THE BILL.THE BILL FURTHER PROVIDES FOR THE PUBLIC SALE OF THE BONDS AND THE PROCEDURES FOR SUCH SALE, INCLUDING THE FORM OF NOTICE OF SALE.
LASTLY, THE BILL PROVIDES THAT INSTEAD OF A PUBLIC SALE BONDS FOR FINANCING, CERTAIN OF THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR WATER POLLUTION AND STORM WATER PROJECTS, THE INDEBTEDNESS MAY BE INCURRED PURSUANT TO LOANS FROM THE MARYLAND WATER QUALITY FINANCING ADMINISTRATION IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 8 MILLION, $450,000.
AND THAT AMOUNT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE FORGOING 20 360,000 MAXIMUM PRINCIPAL AMOUNT FOR ALL INDEBTEDNESS, THESE STORMWATER PROJECTS AND THE RESPECTIVE AMOUNTS OF EACH ARE DESCRIBED IN THE BILL AND THE COUNTY'S FULL FAITH AND CREDIT AND TAXING POWER ARE ALSO PLEDGE TO SECURE SUCH LENS.
YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER AND THEN I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST TALK.
THE, UM, BILL 2217 IS VERY SIMILAR TO 2216.
UM, IT AUTHORIZES THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS NOT TO EXCEED $10,965,000, WHICH ARE GOING TO USE, BE USED TO FUND THE COUNTY'S WATER AND SEWER PROJECTS DESCRIBES THOSE PROJECTS, SAME DETAILS WITH RESPECT TO THESE BONDS AS ARE DETAILED WITH RESPECT TO THE CAPITAL PROVEN, UM, PROGRAM BONDS.
AGAIN, THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT OF THE COUNTY HAS PLEDGED TO THESE BONDS IN THE EVENT THAT FUNDS FROM THE OPERATION OF THE WATER AND SEWER PROJECTS DESIGNATED FOR THE PAYMENT OF DEBT SERVICE ON THESE BONDS ARE INSUFFICIENT.
AND AGAIN, UH, THE BILL ALLOWS FOR THE, UH, INDEBTEDNESS TO BE INCURRED BY LOANS, UH, FROM THE MARYLAND WHERE A QUALITY FINANCING ADMINISTRATION.
SO BILL 22, UM, ZERO 16, UH, WHICH IS OUR TAXPAYER SUPPORTED DEBT.
THIS IS THAT THAT WILL BE, UH, PAID FOR, WITH, UM, A FUTURE FUTURE TAXI AND PROCEEDS IN THE AMOUNT OF 120 MILLION, 360,000, UH, ABOUT HALF OF THOSE EXPENDITURES OR HALF OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE FOR EDUCATION-RELATED, UH, BETWEEN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND THE LIBRARY.
UM, SOME OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS THERE ARE THE, UH, HOMESTEAD WAKEFIELD, UH, THE NEW HOME SIDE, WELL, WAKEFIELD BUILDING AS WELL AS ALSO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, UM, UH, CHESAPEAKE WELCOME CENTER.
UM, AS FAR AS THE REMAINING PROJECTS, SOME OTHER PROJECTS OF NOTE, UM, BARBARA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, CENTRAL PRECINCT AND TRADING, UH, TRAINING CENTER, UH, IS INCLUDED IN THAT THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN STORM WATER PROJECTS.
THOSE ARE THOSE PROJECTS THAT, THAT NEED OUR STORMWATER REMEDIATION GOALS AND OUR FINANCE WITH RECREATION, UM, ABOUT $6 MILLION IN, UH, SORT OF, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, MOST NOTABLY THE RIVERSIDE, UM, FIRING AND, UH, EMS STATION.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM, ABOUT, UH, 10, UH, UM, UH, ABOUT 10 POINT I'M SORRY, UH, $11.6 MILLION IN VARIOUS ROAD PROJECTS, ROADS, BRIDGES, AND THE MOST NOTABLE ONE THERE, UH, BEING, UH, UH, W UH, WILL BE ROAD THEN ON THE, UM, UH, 22, UH, ZERO 17, JUST SHY OF $11 MILLION AIR AND WATER AND SEWER, UH, PROJECTS.
THOSE PROJECTS ARE FINANCED BY, UM, VARIOUS FEES THAT ARE CHARGED TO WATER AND SOAR USERS.
SO IF YOU'RE A PART OF THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM, YOU SUPPORT THAT DEBT.
IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE WATER AND SOURCE SYSTEM, IF YOU'RE ON A WELL, UM, NONE OF YOUR TAXES OR FEES, UM, UH, GO TO SUPPORT THAT DEBT.
SO ONCE AGAIN, OUR WATER AND SOURCE SYSTEM, A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM PAID FOR PAID FOR BY THE USERS, AND THEN BILL 22, UH, ZERO 15.
UH, SOMETIMES WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT HAVE SOME REMAINING FUNDS ON THEM.
UH, WE STILL HAVE BOND AUTHORIZATION, WE NEED TO MOVE IT TO NEW PROJECTS.
UH, SO IN THAT CASE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CLEAN UP THERE.
WE ACTUALLY HAD SOME, I CAN SEE THAT KIND OF GOES BACK TO FISCAL YEAR 13, UH, FOR THE MOST PART THAT WAS SOME BOARD OF EDUCATION, UH, PROJECTS THAT THE BOARD OF ED CAME TO YOU, UH, LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE, AND ASKED YOU TO APPROVE THOSE TRANSFERS AS WELL AS WE HAD ONE OTHER, UM, UH, WATER AND SEWER PROJECT IN THERE, AGAIN, EVERYTHING, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS WERE ALL PART OF THE BUDGET, UM, THAT WAS RECENTLY, UM, ADOPTED.
SO THERE'S NO, NO CHANGE, NO CHANGE THERE.
AND THEN AGAIN, WHAT WE HAVE FORWARD HERE, UH, DOES IT WON'T NECESSARILY BE WHAT WE SELL THIS YEAR, UM, WHEN THE COUNTY, UH, UH, GOES TO, UM, GOES TO THE BOND MARKET, UM, EARLY NEXT YEAR UNDER THE NEW ADMINISTRATION, UM, WE WILL THEN LOOK AT WHAT OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR NEEDS ARE, AS FAR AS YOUR HEALTH PROJECTS ARE MOVING ON THE LIGHT, BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART, WE REIMBURSE OURSELVES, UM, THAT THAT ENABLES US TO KIND OF AVOID ARBITRAGE ISSUES, ENABLES US TO,
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UH, TAKE ON ANY DEBT SERVICE BEFORE, BEFORE WE, UH, BEFORE WE HAVE TO.SO THE AMOUNT THAT WE ACTUALLY WILL SELL LATER ON THIS YEAR, UM, WILL NOT NECESSARILY CORRESPOND TO THESE AMOUNTS, BUT EVENTUALLY ALL OF THOSE, UM, THOSE BONDS, UM, OF COURSE THE TABLE TAKES SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS, UH, UH, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE SOLD.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT PROCESS WILL BE SUBJECT TO COUNCIL APPROVAL, AS IT ALWAYS IS, WE'LL BRING THE TERMS OF SALE, AND THEN WE'LL ACTUALLY BRING THE ACTUAL SALE TO YOU FROM ANY OF THE COMPETING BIDS, UM, THAT, THAT PUT IN BIDS FOR, UH, UH, TO PURCHASE THE COUNTIES, BONDS.
THANK YOU, ROBIN, UM, COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS MR. JANE DANNON? THANKS ROBBIE.
SO I KNOW THAT WHEN WE, UH, ISSUED OUR LAST BONDS, UM, THE INTEREST RATE WAS NOT AS GOOD AS THE YEAR BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT WAS STILL PRETTY GOOD PROBABLY IN THE 2% RANGE.
ISN'T THAT WHAT IT IS? WELL, UNDER CYLINDER THREE, I MEAN, WE HAD, UH, TWO YEARS OR SO BEFORE THAT WE, UH, UH, WE HAD RATES THAT WERE RIGHT AROUND 1%, BUT SO YEAH.
WHAT DO YOU, WHAT ARE YOU HEARING? WHAT ARE WE ANTICIPATING? IS THERE ANY WAY TO JUDGE WHAT THAT COULD BE? IS THAT, IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE INFLATION, WILL THAT, WILL THAT DRIVE THESE RATES UP SIGNIFICANTLY? I MEAN, THERE IS, THERE IS SMILING, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THERE IS SOME CORRELATION, UH, BUT IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST LIKE WITH, UM, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF DEMAND OUT THERE, UM, FOR MUNICIPAL BONDS.
UM, AND IF YOU LOOK RIGHT NOW WITH HOW SOME OF, UM, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE NOT LOOKED AT YOUR OWN PERSONAL 401K TODAY, UM, IT'S NOT LOOKING GOOD.
UM, BUT SOMETIMES IN THOSE ENVIRONMENTS, EVEN IF YOU HAVE RISING INTEREST RATES, IF THE INVESTMENT COMMUNITY SEES AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A 3%, A 3% RATE OF RETURN, UM, THAT BEATS A NEGATIVE RETURN.
SO INFLATION IS A PART OF IT, UH, WHAT TREASURY BILLS ARE GOING FOR, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE IN SOME WEIRD, SOME WEIRD TIMES HERE.
UM, AND THE DOLLAR HAS STILL BEEN, IS STILL RELATIVELY STRONG.
INTEREST RATES ARE, ARE RISING.
UM, BUT, BUT, UM, THEY'RE STILL NOT AT THE LEVEL OF WHAT THE INFLATIONARY RATE IS.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A 10% INFLATION RATE, AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SELLING 20 YEAR BONDS.
UM, AND THEY HAD THE BENEFIT FOR THE MOST PART OF BEING TAX EXEMPT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT AFFORDS US A PREMIUM, UM, SO THAT, SO THAT THE INVESTMENT COMMUNITY IS ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT RATE OF RETURN AND THEY DISCOUNTED IT TO SAY, OKAY, BECAUSE I'M GETTING THAT RATE OF RETURN, BUT I DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON IT.
SO IT'S KIND OF, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ABLE TO GET THESE LOWER RATES OF RETURN BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S LIKE A BONUS FOR THEM.
UM, WE WILL SEE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THOSE REALLY STRONG RATES THAT WE, THAT WE HAD, BUT, UM, AGAIN, COUNTY IN A SOLID AAA COUNTY, UM, WE HAVE A LOT, A LOT GOING GOING FOR US, UM, AND WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO RIDE THAT, RIDE THAT OUT.
UM, AND, AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, EXPECTED TO INCREASE SOMEWHAT.
UM, BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'LL NECESSARILY BE SEEING ANYTHING PARTICULARLY DIRE.
THANK YOU, MR. GINGER, DAN, ANYONE ELSE, MR. WAGGER I GOT A QUESTION ON PAGE SIX UNDER THE HARTFORD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, CENTRAL PRECINCT AND TRAINING FACILITY.
THE NUMBER THAT'S REFLECTED THERE IS THAT, UH, OR SHOULD BE, UM, OUR, WE EXPECT THAT TO BE THE TOTAL, UH BUILD-OUT FOR THE, THE ADDITION AND RENOVATIONS AND EVERYTHING, OR, WELL, THAT'S ONLY THE BONDS I'M AFFILIATED WITH THIS, UM, WITH THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE, THE WHOLE CAPITAL BOOK IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK, UM, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, I THINK THERE'S, THERE DEFINITELY ARE SOME OUT YEAR NUMBERS IN THERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY, ANY PRIOR, PRIOR FUNDING THERE, BUT OF COURSE WE ALREADY OWN RIGHT.
SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THERE, BUT THIS JUST, UM, REFLECTS THE NEW BONDS THAT WERE PUT ON AND BONDS ONLY FOR FISCAL YEAR 23 BUDGET.
THIS WILL CONCLUDE THE, EXCUSE ME, MADE ME WANT TO SIGN UP.
NO ONE SIGNED UP MR. PRESIDENT.
THIS WILL CONCLUDE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
I SAW YOU GETTING READY TO JUMP ON ME, UH, AND WE'LL TAKE IT UP AT A LATER DATE.
NEXT IS BILL 22 DASH ZERO 18 POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD AND CHARGING COMMITTEE, MS. LAMBERT.
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UH, PRETTY EVEN THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, HERBERT AND I ARE HERE TONIGHT TO REVIEW WITH YOU BILL 2218, THAT POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY, YOU KNOW, HOUSE BILL SIX 70 ACCOUNTABILITY ACT AT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN ANNAPOLIS REQUIRES ALL CANDIES BY JULY 1ST OF 22.AT THIS POINT, THE SLIDE PRESENTATION SHOULD REVIEW WITH YOU AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. PERFECT.
AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE UPON THEM WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
UM, AS MRS. LAMBERT SAID, HOUSE BILL SIX, 70 CHAPTER 59 WITH 2021 GENERAL ASSEMBLY, UH, MANDATED THAT WE CREATE THESE TWO BOARDS.
AND THE REASON BEING IS IT ALSO, UM, REPEALED THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER'S BILL OF RIGHTS COME JULY ONE.
SO IN AN ATTEMPT TO DO THAT, AND, UM, BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING, WE BROUGHT IT OVER A LITTLE LATER BECAUSE THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE WANTED TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT WAS COMING OUT ON, UM, THE POLICE STANDARDS COMMISSION FOR KOMAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO DO.
SO 90% OF THE BILL YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS EITHER REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE STATE LAW OR UNDER WHAT THE COMB PROPOSED COMO REGULATIONS ARE.
SO THE FIRST WORD WOULD BE THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE WHERE THE COUNTY HAS THE MOST PLAY IN WHAT THEY CAN DO.
YOU CAN ESTABLISH THE, UH, MEMBERSHIP, UH, BUDGET AND STAFF APPOINT THE CHAIR WHO HAS RELEVANT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND ESTABLISHED PROCEDURES FOR RECORD KEEPING.
AND ALL OF THAT IS SPELLED OUT IN THE STATE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO DO THESE THINGS.
SO UNDER THE CHARGE OF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE GAVE US, HE ESTABLISHED A FIVE MEMBER, POLICE, ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD, UH, THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR ELIGIBILITY.
WE WOULD NEED TO BE A COUNTY RESIDENT, 21 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER LEGAL RESIDENT OR US CITIZEN.
UH, YOU'RE AN INELIGIBLE AS A MEMBER, IF YOU'RE AN ACTIVE POLICE OFFICER, AND THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE LAW.
AND WE ADDED TO THAT, I'M AN EMPLOYEE OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR AN EMPLOYEE OF A LOGAN MUNICIPAL POLICE AGENCY, BECAUSE THE LOCAL MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL POLICE AGENCIES WILL FALL UNDER THESE BOARDS AS WELL.
SO OUR THINKING THERE WAS, THEY PROBABLY TIED TOO CLOSELY TO THE OFFICERS.
UM, THE FINAL ONE IS THAT IF YOU'VE BEEN CONVICTED OR RECEIVED PROBATION BEFORE JUDGMENT FOR A FELONY OR MISDEMEANOR WITH WHERE THE SENTENCE COULD BE IMPRISONMENT OF A YEAR OR MORE, YOU WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE.
AND PART OF THE REASON WE HAVE THESE REQUIREMENTS IS THE COMBER HAS SPELLED OUT THAT THOSE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CHARGING COMMITTEE AND A MEMBER OF THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD MUST SIT ON THE CHARGING COMMITTEE BY STATE LAWS.
SO IF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE CONSISTENT, WE WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE CHAIR AND OTHER MEMBERS SERVING ON THE CHARGING COMMITTEE, THE, UH, ACCOUNTABILITY BOARDS, RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES ARE ALL SPELLED OUT IN THE STATE LAW.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HOLD QUARTERLY MEETINGS WITH THE HEADS OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY TO DISCUSS MATTERS OF IMPROVING POLICING.
THEY ALSO APPOINT TWO MEMBERS TO THE CHARGING COMMITTEE.
THEY ARE, THEY ARE THE BODY THAT WILL RECEIVE COMPLAINTS FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING POLICE MISCONDUCT.
THEY ALSO WILL REVIEW QUARTERLY.
THE OUTCOMES OF THE DISCIPLINARY MATTERS THAT ARE CONSIDERED BY THE CHARGING COMMITTEE.
AND THEIR FINAL DUTY WILL BE BY DECEMBER 31ST TO SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE COUNTY GOVERNING BODY THAT WOULD RECOMMEND ANY POLICY CHANGES THAT WOULD HELP ACCOUNT, UH, POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE COUNTY, THE STATE LAW ALSO SPECIFIES WHAT IS CONSIDERED A, WHAT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A COMPLAINT FOR POLICE MISCONDUCT AND TO BE A COMPLAINT OF MISCONDUCT.
AT FIRST, IT HAS TO BE FILED EITHER WITH THE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD OR IT STILL CAN BE FILED DIRECTLY WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
THE COMPLAINT HAS TO, UH, NAME THE OFFICER WHO'S ACCUSED OF MISCONDUCT.
IT HAS TO GIVE A DESCRIPTION OF THE FACTS IN WHICH THE COMPLAINT IS BASED, AND IT HAS TO CONTAIN THE NAME AND CONTACT INFORMATION, THE COMPLAINANT, OR THE PERSON FILING ON BEHALF OF THE COMPLAINT.
AND THE COMPLAINT OF MISCONDUCT HAS TO BE FORWARDED BY THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD TO THE APPROPRIATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONE FROM WHICH THE OFFICER ALONGS WITHIN THREE DAYS OF THE RECEIPT BY THE BOARD.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE WOULD CONSIDER THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY MUCH LIKE WE WOULD, OUR OTHER BOARDS, THEY'RE LOOKING AT POLICIES AND THINGS LIKE THIS, THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND CHARGING COMMITTEE IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BOARD THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY HAVE BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY GOING TO BE THE DISCIPLINARY BOARD.
AND THAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ARE REALLY SPELLED OUT BOTH IN THE STATE LAW AND IN THE KOMAL REGULATIONS,
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IT'S COMPOSED OF FIVE PERSONS UNDER THE STATE LAW.IT IS THE CHAIR OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD OR MEMBER SELECTED BY THE CHAIR FROM THE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD.
THERE ARE TWO APPOINTMENTS BY THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD TO THE, UM, UH, CHARGING COMMITTEE.
AND THOSE ARE CIVILIAN MEMBERS.
AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE HAS TO APPOINTMENTS TO THE CHARGING COMMITTEE.
ALL MEMBERS HAVE TO HAVE A CRIMINAL HISTORY BACKGROUND CHECK, UH, PERFORMED, AND THE, THEY CANNOT HAVE RECEIVED EITHER A SENTENCE OR A PBJ FOR A MISDEMEANOR OR FELONY FOR WHERE THE SENTENCE COULD BE A YEAR OR MORE.
UH, THE MEMBERS ARE ALSO REQUIRED UNDER STATE LAW TO COMPLETE THE TRAINING OF THE MARYLAND POLICE TRAINING COMMISSION.
THE DUTIES OF THE CHARGING COMMITTEE ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE STATE LAW.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO REVIEW THE FINDINGS BY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, WHO DOES THE INVESTIGATION FROM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY TO WHICH THE OFFICER BELONGS.
THEY ALSO REQUIRED TO REVIEW ANY BODY CAM FOOTAGE THAT MAY BE RELEVANT TO THE MATTER.
THEY THEN MUST DETERMINE WHETHER TO ADMINISTRATIVELY CHARGED THE OFFICER OR NOT.
IF THE OFFICER IS CHARGED, THEY THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DISCIPLINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DISCIPLINARY MATRIX, WHICH IS WAS DEVELOPED, OR IS DEVELOPED BY THE MARYLAND STATE POLICE POLICE TRAINING COMMISSION.
AND THAT'S A SLIDING SCALE, JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL FOR DISCIPLINE, IT'S A RANGE.
IT'S NOT ONE EVENT AND THAT'S ONE DISCIPLINE.
IT'S A RANGE THAT THEY CAN, UM, IF, AND THEN THEY ARE REQUIRED ONCE IF THEY DECIDE TO CHARGE OR NOT, THEY HAVE TO ISSUE A WRITTEN DECISION THAT DESCRIBES IN DETAILS OR FINDINGS, THE TERMINATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THAT WRITTEN OPINION MUST BE FORWARDED TO THE CHIEF OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, THE POLICE OFFICER AND THE COMPLAINANT, AND OUR FINAL SLIDE IS SORT OF A FLOW CHART OF HOW WE ENVISION THIS WOULD, UH, ROLL OUT.
UM, AND THE FIRST YOU COULD SEE A POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD, THEY WOULD RECEIVE THE COMPLAINT.
THAT COMPLAINT WOULD BE FORWARDED TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, TO WHICH THE OFFICER BELONGS WITHIN THE THREE DAYS, THE LAW WAS FORCING AGENCY WILL THEN INVESTIGATE THAT COMPLAINT.
AND UPON COMPLETION OF THEIR INVESTIGATION, THEY MUST FORWARD THAT TO THE CHARGING COMMITTEE.
CHARGING COMMITTEE WILL REVIEW THAT FILE AND ANYBODY CAN FORWARD IT AND THEN MAKE THEIR DETERMINATION IF THEY DETERMINE NOT TO CHARGE, UM, THEN THEY WOULD ISSUE THE OPINION, UM, AND ISSUE THAT TO, AGAIN, THE COMPLAINT AND Y'ALL CHIEF OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY AND THE OFFICER, IF THEY DECIDE THEY ARE GOING TO CHARGE, THEN THEY MUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR DISCIPLINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH A MATRIX THAT IS FORWARDED TO THE, UH, CHIEF OFFICER OF THE, UM, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY TO WHICH THE OFFICER BELONGS OR THE OFF THE CHIEF CAN MAKE A DECISION TO, TO GIVE THEM DISCIPLINE THAT'S GREATER THAN THE COMMITTEE HAS RECOMMENDED.
AND THEN THAT IS GIVEN TO THE OFFICER, IF THE OFFICER ACCEPTS IT MATTERS CLOSED, IF NOT, THE OFFICER CAN APPEAL TO THE TRIAL BOARD.
CAN I ASK FROM THAT POINT? YES.
AT THAT INSTANCE, DOES THE CHIEF OFFICER THAT YOU'RE TALKING OF, UH, YOU SAID, COULD MAKE THE PUNISHMENT STIFFER THAN WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED.
YOU COULD ALSO MAKE IT LESS, CANNOT MAKE IT LESS STATE LAW DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR THAT.
SO HE HAS TO ABIDE BY WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS OR A GREATER THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW PROVIDES FOR THAT, THAT THE COMMITTEE MAKES RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, UNDER THE MATRIX.
BUT THE CHIEF STATE LAW SAYS THE CHIEF MAY IMPOSE DIFFERENT PENALTY, BUT IT HAS TO BE STRICTER THAN WHAT THEY'VE IMPOSED.
ARE YOU FINISHED THEM WITH YOUR PRESENTATION? YES, SIR.
SO GOING BACK TO WHAT WAGNER SAYS, UM, CAN THE CHIEF CHOOSE NOT TO DO ANYTHING? NOT LESS OF A SENTENCE, BUT CAN HE CHOOSE? IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE LAW THAT SAYS HE HAS TO, OR CAN HE DECIDE HE'S NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING? UH, HE HAS TO DO SOMETHING, BUT HE, HIS OPTIONS ARE YOU ENFORCE WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS GIVEN, OR YOU MAKE A STRONGER RECOMMENDATION FOR DISCIPLINE.
THAT'S WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS.
I'M JUST CURIOUS IF IT, IF IT LEFT A LOOPHOLE THAT, THAT MAYBE HE, YOU KNOW, IF HE DIDN'T HAVE TO SUBMIT ANYTHING OR IF HE HAD TO COMPLY.
REMEMBER THIS IS TAKING AWAY YOUR LAW
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ENFORCEMENT OFFICER'S BILL OF RIGHTS.THIS IS NOW THE DISCIPLINE, UH, PROCEDURE.
THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHERE, BEFORE WE HAD A UNIFIED PROGRAM ACROSS, AND NOW IT'S BY JURISDICTION, BY JURISDICTION.
EVERYBODY'S GOT TO ADOPT THE STATE MATRIX, BUT HOW THAT'S METED OUT WILL BE DIFFERENT.
NOW, BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, I WANT TO THANK THE BOTH OF YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU SPENT BRINGING US UP TO SPEED WITH WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND HELPING US BETTER UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND, UH, WHERE, WHERE IT GOES FROM HERE.
WE KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING ON A MAJOR PART, WHICH IS THE APPOINTMENT LIST, UH, TO COME TO US TO CONFIRM.
AND JUST ONE THING I WANTED TO ADD IS THAT WE, AT THIS POINT STILL DON'T HAVE A FINALIZED VERSION OF WHAT COLMORE IS RECOMMENDING WITH REGARDS TO THIS, UM, LEGISLATION.
AND REALLY THE STATE LAW PROVIDES NOBODY FOR KOMORA TO WEIGH IN ON HOW SOME OF THESE, UM, PROCEDURES SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED.
SO THERE ARE STILL SOME THINGS WHICH EVEN TODAY, MARY KAY AND I ARE IN FLUX AS TO WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL VERSION, BUT THAT DOESN'T HOLD US UP FROM GETTING THE LIST OF APPOINTMENTS.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OF YOU DOING THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO DOVETAIL ON WHAT WE HAD BEEN DISCUSSING WITH REGARDS TO ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS.
THERE ARE STILL COLMORE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN UPON.
SO I KNOW THAT, UH, WE'RE ON A TIMELINE AND THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THAT UP.
UM, AND I'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH EVERYONE INVOLVED FROM THE SHERIFF COUNTY, EXECUTIVE LAW DEPARTMENT, RIGHT.
STRAIGHT ON DOWN MY COLLEAGUES.
AND I KNOW THEY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
AND IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO START WITH COUNCILMAN JOHNSON.
I KNOW HE HAS SEVERAL, THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
UH, SO I'M LOOKING OVER THIS BILL AND NOW THAT WE'RE WHERE WE ARE, UM, WHO, UM, HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT THE FINAL, UM, LIFE EXPERIENCES OF, OF THE MEMBERS WOULD BE? BECAUSE I SEE IN HERE IN THE, IN THE BILL, THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE, UH, CRITERIA AS FAR AS, UH, YOU KNOW, LAW ENFORCEMENT, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY POLICING, UH, CRIMINOLOGY.
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT PEOPLE'S LIFE EXPERIENCES WOULD DETERMINE THAT THEY SHOULD BE ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, BOARD.
SO WHO DETERMINES WHAT THE LIFE EXPERIENCES ARE? WELL, WE PUT OUT AN AD IN, UM, THAT WAS ON OUR WEBSITE, INVITING PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR BOTH THOSE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARDS AND FOR THE CHARGING COMMITTEE.
UM, WE, UH, WE HIGHLIGHTED THESE AREAS, BUT WE ALSO SAID ANY OTHER RELEVANT EXPERIENCE AS WELL.
AND THEN WE ASKED THEM TO EXPLAIN WHY THEIR PAST EXPERIENCE WOULD MAKE THEM A GOOD FIT FOR IT.
AND ANY, ANY MEMBERSHIPS THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND FOR US, FOR THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE TO MAKE THIS DETERMINATION AS TO WHO SHOULD BE SELECTED FOR THE BOARD.
SO WHILE WE DID PUT OUT THESE CRITERIA, WE ALSO DID ASK SOME QUESTIONS OPEN-ENDED ONES, SO PEOPLE COULD EXPLAIN WHY THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR EITHER OF THE BOARDS OR BOTH.
SO, SO THE, THE VALUABLE, UM, WHAT IS IT, THE, UH, THE VALUE TO THE BOARD? UH, IT COULD, COULD SOMEONE THAT HAS CORRECT OR NOT CORRECTIONS, UH, LET'S SAY, A CARPENTER OR SOMEONE LIKE THAT.
COULD THAT, COULD THAT PERSON BE, UM, A VALUE MEMBER TO THE BOARD? IT CERTAINLY DOES.
CERTAINLY DOES NOT EXCLUDE THAT.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO SEE WHAT SOMEBODY WOULD PUT INTO WHY, HOW THEY THINK THEIR BACKGROUND WOULD MAKE THEM A GOOD FIT.
SO WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T EXPLAIN ANYONE BASED ON WHAT THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION WAS, BUT REALLY WHAT THEY, WHAT PERSPECTIVE THEY THOUGHT THEY COULD BRING TO THEIR JOB IN THE FUNCTION OF THE BOARD.
AND THEN WHO MAKES THAT FINAL DECISION ON IF THEY'RE THE RIGHT FIT FOR THAT, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE OR, OKAY.
UH, THE OTHER QUESTION, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS AFFORDED BACKGROUND.
SO, UH, I, I SEE IN, IN, IN THE BACKGROUND, UM, IT SAYS BACKGROUND SLASH UH, SOCIAL MEDIA.
SO IF SOMEONE DOESN'T AGREE WITH WHAT'S IN YOUR POSTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT'S A DISQUALIFYING FACTOR.
THAT'S FOR THE CHARGING COMMITTEE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A DISQUALIFYING, BUT, BUT THAT CAME OUT OF KUMAR.
THAT'S ALL, UM, PART OF THE INVESTIGATION BACKGROUND, THAT WAS, THAT IS A QUOTE ONE.
I, I KNOW THAT, THAT WHAT YOU SENT OVER TO ME WAS COLOR-CODED
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SO EVERYTHING, UH, KOMARR STATE, CAMARA AND STATE, UM, UH, BUT THIS WAS, UH, I GUESS THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE HARTFORD COUNTY, OR I GUESS HARFORD COUNTY, YOU ALL HAD PUT IN HERE.UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ACTUALLY, I THINK THE PART ABOUT THE MEDIA THAT'S CHARGING OUR COMMITTEE, NOT FOR THE POLICE AND NOT FOR THE BOARD, AND WE DIDN'T MAKE IT PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR, SO THAT'D BE A GENERAL BACKGROUND CHECK JUST TO CHECK FOR THIS.
SOMEBODY CAN HAVE A CONVICTION OF SOMETHING FOR A YEAR OR MORE.
UM, AND SO ALSO IN, IN, UM, IN THE BILL, IT TALKS ABOUT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
AND, UH, SO THE LAW DEPARTMENT IS THE CUSTODIAN CUSTODIAN OF THE RECORDS, RIGHT? SO WOULD THAT BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST SINCE THE LAW DEPARTMENT, UM, DEFENSE, OR DO YOU ALL DEFEND THE WAY WE USE DEPARTMENTS? WE WOULD BE THE CUSTODIAN OF RECORDS FOR THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD FOR THE COMPLAINTS THAT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE SET UP MUCH.
LIKE WE ARE FOR THE BOARD OF ETHICS.
WE JUST HOLD THE RECORDS IN TERMS OF THE, THE, UM, CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
THAT, AGAIN, WAS KOMARR FOR A MEMBER OF THE CHARGING COMMITTEE TO COME FORWARD.
IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN TO LET YOU KNOW, THE, THEIR CHAIR KNOW, IN CASE WITH, I PUT THAT WITH THIS OFFICER, I MAY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN CANNOT.
I MAY KNOW THE COMPLAINANTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
AND SO THE BOARD COULD CONSIDER WHETHER THEY SHOULD CONTINUE TO HEAR THE CASE.
THAT WOULDN'T BE A RECORD WE WOULD HAVE.
SO, SO IT IS SO IN, IN YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS, IT WOULD NOT BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IF, IF YOU DEFEND, UH, WHATEVER JURISDICTION AND THEN YOU'RE HOLDING THE RECORD, WE GET REQUEST.
I THINK THAT WITH REGARD TO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHERE THAT KEYS INTO THE, UM, THE PROVISIONS OF THE BILL IS THAT IF SOMEONE ON THE CHARGING COMMITTEE HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ANY OF THE PARTIES THAT MAY BE, UH, INVOLVED IN THE CASE, LIKE IF THEY KNEW THE OFFICER, IF THEY KNEW THE COMPLAINING WITNESS, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT THEY SAW, WHAT HAPPENED, AND THEY MIGHT NOT THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE SITTING IN JUDGMENT OF THAT, BUT THERE IS THE SECOND ISSUE OF WHO GIVES ADVICE TO THE CHARGING COMMITTEE WITH REGARD TO IF THEY HAVE LEGAL QUESTIONS THAT THEY WANT TO ASK.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP, NOT ONLY HERE, BUT IN OTHER COUNTIES.
AND IT HAS BEEN PRETTY MUCH DETERMINED THAT BECAUSE THE WILL ARE ONE DEPARTMENT AND THOSE DEFEND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN REGARD TO ANY CLAIMS THAT WE WOULD NOT BE GIVING LEGAL ADVICE TO THE CHARGING COMMITTEE, WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS FINDING A LAW FIRM THAT WILL GIVE THEM WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEPARATE US.
AND ONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES, MONTGOMERY COUNTY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO DO IT IN-HOUSE BECAUSE THEY HAD SO MANY ATTORNEYS, CLEARLY NOT WHAT WE'RE HAVING HERE IN HARFORD COUNTY.
SO, BUT, UM, EVEN WITH LIKE 50 ATTORNEYS, THEY STILL SAID, NO, THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH OF A CHANCE FOR A CONFLICT THERE.
AND THEY ALSO HAD TO GET OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO REPRESENT THEIR BOARDS, TO GIVE THEM LEGAL ADVICE.
SO, SO I ALSO SAID, ALSO SAW THAT, UH, UM, YOU ONLY HOLD THE RECORDS FOR FIVE YEARS.
WHY, WHY FIVE YEARS? WHY NOT? WHY NOT INDEFINITELY? I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN ACTUAL ANSWER FOR THAT.
THAT WAS JUST THE NUMBER WE CAME UP WITH.
WE ONLY HOLD FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE RECORDS FOR FOUR YEARS.
IT WAS LIKE WEIGHING, I THINK FINANCIAL RECORDS ARE USUALLY SEVEN YEARS.
SO WE JUST, SO WHAT IF, WHAT IF, UM, AND THAT REQUIRES US TO HOLD A BRAND NEW MANAGER, WE JUST HAVE TO SET.
AND IF THERE WAS ACTION ONGOING, THOSE, THOSE RECORDS WOULD BE HELD UP.
OBVIOUSLY, IF IT WAS BEYOND FIVE YEARS, WE, WE WOULD BE HOLDING ON TO THOSE WHERE THERE MAY BE APPEALS PENDING OR OTHER TYPE OF ACTIONS WE WOULD JUST AUTOMATICALLY HOLD ON TO.
BUT IF THERE WAS NO ACTION IN THE CASE, AND IT WAS TRULY AFTER FIVE YEARS COMPLETED AT POINT, WE WERE THEN NOT KEEP THEM.
AND, UH, I ALSO, UM, NOTICED THAT, UM, AND I KNOW I'M TALKING TO TWO BRILLIANT LEGAL MINDS HERE.
WE KNOW THE, UH, THE WORDS, WORDS MATTER, RIGHT? SO, UH, I SEE A LOT OF SHELL IN, IN HERE, BUT I DON'T SEE MUST, YOU KNOW, AND I
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KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE, PEOPLE MAY LOOK AT THAT AS SEMANTICS AND ALL THAT STUFF AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT, UH, SHELL, UH, EXPRESSES A STRONG ASSERTION AND MUST MEANS, UH, UH, TO BE OBLIGATED TO DO SO.SO, UM, THERE IS SOMETHING IN HERE FROM, UH, I GUESS THE STATE THAT SAYS THAT A, A MEMBER WOULD THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST MUST ANNOUNCE AND THAT'S ON PAGE 12.
UM, WHAT THERE WAS, IF YOU SEE THAT HEADLINE RIGHT.
DIRECTLY SO-SO, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPLIT HAIRS HERE, BUT WHY, WHY DOES COLMORE USE THAT? AND THEN SORT OF LIKE IN OTHER SECTIONS OF THE BILL WE USE, UH, SHELL, I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER THAT AGAIN.
IT WAS A POLICE TRAINING COMMISSION THAT CAME UP WITH, OR IS WORKING ON THE KUMAR RAGS.
UM, AND S UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, IN HERE, IT SAYS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE THREE, UM, THREE FOLKS ON A, TO MAKE A QUORUM.
UH, SO, UM, AND I SEE THAT A PERSON COULD MISS THREE MEETINGS AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE DISMISSED.
UM, I THINK JUST BASED OFF OF HOW, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DIRE OR HOW, HOW SIGNIFICANT THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS GROUP IS, OR THIS, THIS COMMITTEE IS, UM, IS THERE A CERTAIN WAY THAT WE COULD, UH, LOOK AT CUTTING THAT DOWN? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THREE MEMBERS CONSTITUTE A QUORUM COULD MAKE DECISIONS ON WHATEVER'S GOING ON.
I MEAN, BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT AGAIN, I THINK IS KOMARR FOR THE CHARGING COMMITTEE.
IT'S, UH, MEETINGS, BUDGETS, AND RECORDS.
UH, THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASKED THESE QUESTIONS IS BECAUSE YOU ALL SENT, SENT IT OVER AND YOU HIGHLIGHTED WHAT WAS COLMORE, WHAT WAS STATE AND WHAT WAS CALMER AND STATE, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE I WAS ASSUMING WAS I SEE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD.
SO DO YOU LIKE TO HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD IS THAT THEY ARE THE ONES WHO FIND TRENDS, WHO LOOK AT TRENDS AND THEN MAKE A REPORT EVERY YEAR ABOUT WHAT COULD BE DONE.
YOU KNOW, IF IN A GIVEN YEAR THERE WERE FIVE CASES INVOLVING THE USE OF A STUN GUN.
THEY MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A GOOD IDEA FOR THE POLICE AGENCIES IS TO HAVE MORE TRAINING ON STUN GUNS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD IS CERTAINLY IMPORTANT, BUT THEY DO SOMETHING INVOLVING, UH, PERSPECTIVE TRENDS.
AND, AND DOESN'T DO THE ACTUAL DISCIPLINE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS.
THAT IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR SO R SO AM I GETTING THIS CONFUSED BECAUSE I'M THINKING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT IS, BUT REMEMBER THAT'S FIVE MEMBER BOARDS, SO THREE MEMBERS WOULD BE A QUORUM OF A FIVE MEMBER BOARD.
BUT, BUT, BUT WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS THAT BASED OFF OF THE, BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY MEETING QUARTERLY, QUARTERLY, AND BASED OFF OF WHAT WHAT'S IN HERE RIGHT NOW, A PERSON CAN MISS NEARLY THE ENTIRE YEAR AND YOU CAN, OH.
AND, AND YOU MAY ONLY HAVE THREE MEMBERS MAKING A CORNER AND YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS BASED OFF OF POLICE POLICY.
SO, SO IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, UH, ADJUSTING THAT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF, IF WE HAVE MEMBERS MISSING THREE ALMOST A YEAR, ALMOST A YEAR OF, OF HEARINGS OR MEETINGS OR WHATEVER, THEN I THINK THAT, UH, IT'S, IT'S DOING A DISSERVICE TO THE, TO THE BOARD YOU LOOK AT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE COUNCIL PRESENT.
THANKS FOR MR. JOHNSON, MR. CHANDRA DENNA, BECCA COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
SO I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL, UM, UH, RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU KEEP THAT FOR FIVE YEARS.
SO ARE YOU ALSO LOOKING INTO THE FINANCIALS OF THE PEOPLE ON THE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD TO SEE IF SOMEBODY'S DECLARED BANKRUPTCY OR NOT?
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YEAH.MY, MY, HE ASKED WHY FIVE YEARS AND I WAS SAYING, WE, THAT WAS THE STATE LAW PASSED US WITH COMING UP WITH KEEPING RECORDS.
HOW LONG YOU GOING TO DO IT? THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW.
I'M JUST GOING BACK TO THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE AND ON THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR, OR IF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE BANKRUPTCY OR ANY, LIKE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAS SUGGESTED DOING THAT, LIKE OKAY.
SO THAT JUST, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A FINANCIAL STATEMENT AND DON'T HAVE TO, WHAT WAS THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE THEN? NO, I SAID FINANCIAL RECORDS THEY'RE GENERALLY KEPT FOR SEVEN YEARS.
WE KEEP OUR BOARD OF ETHICS RECORDS FOR FOUR YEARS.
SO WE DESCRIBED HOW WE, HOW WE CAME UP WITH FIVE.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT FINANCIAL DEBT.
EACH ONE OF THESE PEOPLE ALSO HAD TO FILL OUT A FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE IF THEY WERE ON THE BOARD.
AND I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY CANDIES.
WELL, THANK YOU, MY, A MISUNDERSTANDING.
I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
THANK YOU, MR. GINGER, DENNIS, AND ANYONE ELSE, MR. WAGNER, JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I WAS ASKED THIS QUESTION AND I THINK I SHARED IT WITH YOU WHEN WE ALL MET, PEOPLE WERE WONDERING WHAT POLICE AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY WOULD BE EFFECTED BY THIS, UH, SPECIFICALLY MUNICIPALITIES.
AND THE TRUTH OF MATTER IS THEY'RE ALL AFFECTED BY THIS AND THEY ALL FALL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THIS ONCE IT'S CONSTITUTED.
SO THAT, I JUST WANTED YOU TO GET THAT OUT TONIGHT SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S NOT JUST THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IT'S EVERYONE IN HARTFORD COUNTY, IN ANY COUNTY, I GUESS, IN TERMS OF THE MUNICIPALITY, THE LOCAL POLICE AND EVERYTHING.
ONE QUICK QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED IS FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, BEING DISQUALIFIED FOR, SHALL WE SAY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, UH, IF AN INDIVIDUAL HAS EVER, SHALL WE SAY A GRADE, IF YOU HAD A FELONY, YOU KNOW, SAY IF YOU HAD A FELONY AND THEN YOU GOT NO, PARDON, COULD YOU SERVE ON THE BOARD, TAKE 20? YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT IS SOMETHING.
IF THEY COULD PROVIDE THAT CONSIDERATION, GOOGLE GET THE RECORDS.
IT'S FUN IF YOU PULL THEIR RECORD, IT'S NOT ON THERE.
SO IT, SO IF YOU WOULDN'T QUALIFY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT IT EXPUNGED AND IT NO HOME.
SO, SO IF YOU HAVE CONVICTED, YOU HAVE A FELONY AND YOU'VE GOT IT EXPUNGED FOR GOT A PARDON, THEN THERE'S LEAVING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND IT IN THE STATE BILL.
IT WAS A LITTLE KIND OF, SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING IS THAT IF SOMEONE HAS GOTTEN SOMETHING EXPUNGED OFF OF THEIR RECORD, THAT WON'T THEN SHOW UP ON THEIR RECORD.
SO WHEN WE DO A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK OF THAT PERSON, IT WON'T SHOW UP ON THERE.
NOW WITH REGARD TO A PARDON SITUATION, I HAVEN'T HAD THAT MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH THAT, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD RECOMMEND IT.
IF WE COULD BE PROVIDED THE DOCUMENTATION TO SHOW OF THE PARTY, THEN WE WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH REGARD TO THEIR ELIGIBILITY.
I THINK ANYONE HAD TO SHOW UP.
UM, WE GET A COPY OF YOUR PRESENTATION, UH, DIGITAL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PDF PLEASE.
UM, MS. LAMBERT, HOW MANY APPLICANTS OVER 40 AND BACKGROUND CHECKS ARE BEING DONE THEN? IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD? AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHEN WE'RE GOING TO GET TO LIST ABOUT I'M ENCOURAGING.
COUNSEL, ANYONE ELSE? MS. DIXON, NEW AMBULANCE HONDA.
WE HAVE ONE THIS EVENING HAS SANDRA BEVERLEY.
COUNCIL PRESIDENT PRESENT A AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL.
UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.
I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS MY PROFOUND DISAPPOINTMENT AND HOW LONG IT HAS TAKEN FOR THIS BILL TO COME BEFORE YOU, AS YOU KNOW, THE MARYLAND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY ACT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR, AND MANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE
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HAD ALREADY BEGUN WORKING ON THIS PROCESS.AS A MATTER OF FACT, THIS BILL IS SO LATE.
UH, ACCORDING TO CINDY MUMBY, SHE SAID IT'S BEING PUT IN AS EMERGENCY LEGISLATION BECAUSE IT IS SO LATE.
YOU KNOW, UH, I WAS WELL I'M VICE-CHAIR OF THE CAUCUS OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN LEADERS.
I ALSO PARTICIPATED IN A GROUP CALLED THE COALITION FOR EQUAL JUSTICE.
THAT WAS FORMULATED FROM MEMBERS OF THE CAUCUS, THE NAACP TOGETHER, WE WILL.
AND ALSO, UM, ONE OTHER GROUP, WHICH OF COURSE RIGHT NOW SLIPPING MY MIND.
BUT IN ANY EVENT, UH, WE DID REACH OUT AND ASK EARLY ON IN THE YEAR ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THIS LEGISLATION.
AND WE OFFERED TO BE OF ASSISTANCE LIKE ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTY.
THEY STARTED THEIR PROCESS IN JANUARY.
THEY HAD A STAKEHOLDERS, ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.
THEY INTRODUCED A BILL IN MARCH.
SO THEY HAD AN ORDERLY TRANSPARENT PROCESS RATHER THAN TRYING TO CRAM THIS IN SO THAT IT COULD BE IN PLACE BY JULY ONE.
I'M NOT CERTAIN EXACTLY HOW THE NUMBER FIVE CAME UP.
I KNOW THAT, UM, HOWARD COUNTY AND CHARLES HAVE NINE MEMBERS, UM, SOME COUNTIES HAVE OTHERS DO HAVE FIVE, BUT HAVE NO IDEA HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW YOU GET DIVERSITY WHEN THE PAB SHOULD REFLECT THE COMPOSITION OF THE COUNTY WITH FIVE MEMBERS.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME DOING THAT.
SO, UM, AS I SAID, AND I CONTRAST THIS WITH, I WAS LOOKING AT AN ARTICLE WHERE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WAS SEEKING PUBLIC INPUT ON A WALKING TRAIL.
NOW, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN OF PROFOUND INTEREST TO MANY MEMBERS IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I'LL BET YOU MANY MEMBERS STILL ARE UNAWARE THAT THIS LEGISLATION IS EVEN BEEN INTRODUCED.
THIS BILL WAS INTRODUCED MAY THE 10TH.
UH, IT WAS IN THE EGIS ON MAY THE 14TH.
YOU HAD TO APPLY FOR THE PAB BY JUNE THE THIRD AND FOR THE CHARGING COMMITTEE BY JUNE THE 10TH, YOU'RE DOING THIS COUNTY A DISSERVICE BY HANDLING THIS MATTER OF SUCH EXTREME IMPORTANCE IN SUCH A RUSH FASHION.
UH, I, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONED WHETHER OR NOT A COMPLAINANT, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE OFFICER'S NAME, IS THAT A WAY THAT THEY CAN THEN AVOID, UH, HAVING TO DEAL WITH ANY CHARGES IF THEY JUST SIMPLY, UH, WITHHOLD THEIR NAME? UH, WELL, THE TRAINING THAT'S REQUIRED OF THE, UH, MEMBERS BE COMPLETED BY JULY.
THE FIRST I DID HAVE, UH, ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN TERMS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE APPLIED, BUT IT'S QUITE CLEAR THAT THIS IS A RUSHED PROCESS.
YOU'RE ASKING HOW MANY NAMES, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE NAMES? THIS IS NOT HOW SOMETHING OF THIS IMPORTANCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED.
AND THERE WAS NO REASON FOR IT.
AS I SAID, THERE WERE THOSE OF US IN THE COMMUNITY WHO REACHED OUT, WHO ASKED TO BE INVOLVED, WHO WANTED TO BE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS.
AND WE WERE NOT GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AND EXPRESS MY EXTREME FRUSTRATION AND DISAPPOINTMENT IN HOW THIS WAS HANDLED.
MA'AM THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE SIGNED UP, MR. PRESIDENT.
WE'LL CONCLUDE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND ALSO WE WILL TAKE A RECESS TILL SEVEN 30.
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
THE ORDER.LEGISLATIVE SESSION DAY 22 DASH ZERO 19.
I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE JOIN US IN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE, UH, LED BY MR. ZACK DRAKE FROM TRIP 2 65 AND FOLLOWING WITH THE OPENING PRAYER BY COUNCILMAN WAGNER, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU, OUR DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER.
WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, THANKFUL FOR THIS DAY AND THE OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE GIVEN EACH OF US TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF HARTFORD COUNTY.
WE PRAY FOR HEALING TO THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE SUFFERING.
WE PRAY YOUR SPIRIT BE MADE KNOWN TO THE FAMILY OF OUR FRIEND, AL SEYMOUR FOR THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF Y KOMIKO COUNTY, SHERIFF, DEPUTY GLEN HILLIARD, GIVE THEM COMFORT AND SPIRITUAL HEALING FOR WHAT WE, AS REASONABLE PEOPLE CANNOT UNDERSTAND.
BLESS EACH OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL, KEEP THEM SAFE AS THEY STRIVE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE EACH DAY IN SUCH A CHANGING ENVIRONMENT.
LORD, WE ASK THESE THINGS IN YOUR NAME.
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WAGNER COUNSEL MAY HAVE GENERAL CONSENT TO MOVE TO ITEM FIVE ON THE AGENDA AND RETURN BACK TO AGENDA ITEM FOUR THEREAFTER.[5. CONSIDERATION OF PETITIONS, APPLICATIONS, APPOINTMENTS AND NOMINATIONS]
AGENDA ITEM FIVE, CONSIDERATION PETITIONS, APPLICATIONS, APPOINTMENTS, AND NOMINATIONS, HARFORD LIVING TREASURER, ALAN M MAC LLOYD AND SANDRA ELOY.MAY I HAVE A MOTION MR. SHREDS, THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALAN MAC OID AND THE SANDRA EAGLE LLOYD RECOMMENDED, UM, FROM THE HARTFORD CULTURAL ARTS BOARD AS A HARTFORD LIVING TREASURE.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? THANK YOU.
MR. WAGNER SPOON IS SECONDED TO PROVE HARFORD LIVING TREASURE.
ANY COMMENTS MS. DIXON, MR. PRESIDENT, MR. JOHNSON, MR. WOODS, MR.
MR. SCHROEDER, MR. WAGON, MR. BIOLA BEING SEVEN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE ZERO IN A NEGATIVE, THE APPOINTMENTS OF ALAN MAC LLOYD AND SANDRA EAT LLOYD AS A HARFORD LIVING TREASURES HERE BY APPROVED
[4. PRESENTATION OF PROCLAMATIONS]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PRESENTATION OF PROCLAMATIONS.UH, MR. SHREDS, IF YOU'LL STEP DOWN, MAC SANDRA, IF YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE.
READY? UM, LET ME GET UP HERE A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT, CHAD, I CAN COME IN A LITTLE BIT WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
MR. WYATT, WHEREAS ALAN MAC LLOYD AND SANDRA LLOYD RECEIVED THE HARTFORD COUNTY CULTURE ARTS BOARD RECOMMENDATION TO THE HARTFORD COUNTY COUNCIL FOR RECOGNITION AS HARTFORD LIVING TREASURES.
AND WHEREAS MAKIN SANDY LLOYD ARE LIFELONG RESIDENTS OF HARFORD COUNTY MAC WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CARDIFF.
HIS FATHER, BUD LLOYD WAS ONE OF THE PREMIER PLAYERS IN THE SUSKO HANA BASEBALL LEAGUE IN THE 1930S THROUGH 1950S, MAX FIND HIS SPORTING ACHIEVEMENT WAS LEADING THE COUNTY IN SCORING AND WINNING THE MARYLAND STATE BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP WITH NORTH HARFORD HIGH SCHOOL DURING HIS SENIOR SEASON IN 1962, MACK IS BEST KNOWN LOCALLY AS THE LONGTIME SPORTS EDITOR OF THE, AND LATER AS THE PUBLISHER OF THE SPORTING TIMES.
AND WHEREAS SANDY GRAPHENE CRAF LLOYD HAD A RURAL UPBRINGING AS THE OLDEST OF FIVE CHILDREN.
AFTER GRADUATING FROM NORTH HARTFORD AND THOUSAND STATES, SHE BEGAN A 42 YEAR CAREER AS AN EDUCATOR IN HARTFORD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR MOST OF HER CAREER.
SHE TAUGHT SECOND GRADE AT EDGEWOOD ELEMENTARY, THEN BECAME A TITLE, ONE TEACHER TEACHER SPECIALIST IN THE EDGEWOOD, MAGNOLIA AND ABERDEEN AREAS.
AND WHEREAS MAKIN SANDY OR LIFETIME OR LONG-TIME ACTIVE MEMBERS OF CHURCHVILLE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, MACK IS A PAST TRUSTEE, DEACON AND ELDER, AND SANDY IS CURRENTLY AN ELDER.
SANDY ALSO SERVED FOR MANY YEARS AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE DAYCARE BOARD, VOLUNTEERING MANY HOURS WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE DAYCARE AND SUNDAY SCHOOL PROGRAMS. MAC IS CURRENTLY A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH, PHIL RURITAN CLUB, AND BOTH ARE LONGTIME SUPPORTERS OF THE HARTFORD LAND TRUST.
NOW, THEREFORE WE, THE COUNTY COUNCIL OF HARFORD COUNTY, MARYLAND ON THIS 14TH DAY OF JUNE, 2022, YOU HEAR BY PROCLAIM ALAN M. LLOYD AND SANDRA E. LLOYD HARTFORD, LIVING TREASURES, AND BE AT FURTHER KNOWN THAT THEIR LIFETIME EXPERIENCES AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE HARTFORD COUNTY COMMUNITY WILL PROVIDE A PERMANENT RECORD, WHICH WILL RECALL THE PAST INFORMED THE PRESENT AND GUIDE THE FUTURE OF HARFORD COUNTY AND THAT THEIR MEMORIES AND HISTORY WILL BE RECORDED BY THE HARFORD COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY, ORAL HISTORIAN, AND WOULD BECOME PART OF THE ORAL HISTORY COLLECTION OF THE LIBRARY.
UM, AND THAT MACK LLOYD'S A LOT TALLER TO ME AND I'M UP HERE.
I'M SHORT, BUT I MIGHT BE MIGHTY MIKE, JUST A FEW WORDS I WANTED TO GIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE KNOWN YOU BOTH FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND MACK, I RE I REMEMBER WHEN BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WOULD DO IS WHEN THE EGIS CAME OUT, I WOULD GO RIGHT TO THE SPORTS PAGE AND SEE YOUR ARTICLES AND SEE WHAT THE DIFFERENT TEAMS WERE DOING AND WHAT THEY WERE, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
AND YOU ALWAYS HAD GREAT COMMENTARY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF EVOLVING
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INTO AN AGE OUT OF THE NEWSPAPER ERROR INTO SOMETHING MORE ELECTRONIC AND WHO KNOWS WHERE THAT'S GOING, BUT I'LL ALWAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, CHERISH THAT.AND I KNOW THAT YOU WERE PART OF THE, UH, STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM WHEN NORTH HARFORD WON THE STATES BACK IN 1962, WHICH ITS 60TH ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR.
AND UNFORTUNATELY DUE TO COVID, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO HAVE THE BIG CELEBRATION WE HAD HOPED TO HAVE AT THE SCHOOL DURING ONE OF THEIR GAMES.
UM, BUT, UM, AND THEN ALSO UH, I READ YOUR, UM, YOUR STORY FOR THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF HARFORD COUNTY.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT ALMOST READS LIKE A MOVIE.
I CAN ALMOST VISUALIZE EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON, AND I KNEW SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU, UH, COMMENTARY ON.
AND, UH, I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY NICE PART OF THAT OVERALL COLLECTION.
AND I KNOW SANDY, YOU'VE BEEN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND, AND RETIRED AFTER I THINK 42 YEARS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DO AND YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOUR CHURCH.
I KNOW YOU'RE VERY INVOLVED THERE AND I SEE YOU OFTENTIMES WITH YOUR GRANDKIDS ON THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW YOU WERE AT THE SAME PLAY ON THE SAME TEAM AS MY, UH, MY NEPHEW, CHARLIE.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO STILL SEE YOU OUT THERE.
AND, UM, I KNOW IF YOU COULD, YOU PROBABLY ARE IN YOUR MIND, YOU'RE PROBABLY, YOU MIGHT BE AT HOME, EVEN WRITING STORIES ABOUT THOSE GAMES.
ANYWAY, BOTH OF YOU ARE TRUE HARFORD LIVING TREASURES, AND I KNOW WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, SEEING YOUR ORAL HISTORY, THAT'S GOING TO BE RECORDED INTO THE FUTURE, AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE AROUND FOR NOT ONLY YOUR GRANDKIDS TO GO BACK AND, AND TO LOOK AT, BUT EVEN THEIR CHILDREN ONE DAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY HERE? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, I GUESS I'M A TEACHER, SO I'M THE TALKER.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK THE COUNTY COUNCIL FOR THIS PROGRAM AND FOR, INCLUDING US IN THE PROGRAM THAT REALLY VALIDATES HARFORD COUNTY'S, UM, THE IMPORTANCE HARFORD COUNTY PLACES ON ITS SENIOR CITIZENS AND THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS.
UM, GIVING BACK IS SOMETHING WE'VE TRIED TO INSTILL IN OUR CHILDREN.
ALL OF US ARE BORN WITH THE GIFTS AND TALENTS, AND I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO GIVE BACK TO OUR COUNTY AND OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UH, WE HAVE INSTILLED THAT IN OUR CHILDREN AND WE SEE THEM AT WORK RIGHT NOW DOING WONDERFUL THINGS.
I'M MISREADING YOUR STORIES ALL THE TIME.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS.
[7. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
SEVEN APPROVAL OF MINUTES ORDER UPDATE JUNE 7TH, 2020 TO PUBLIC HEARING JUNE 7TH, 2022, LEGISLATIVE DAY 22 DASH ZERO 18, JUNE 7TH, 2022.ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES THERE BEING NO CORRECTIONS, THE MINUTES STAND APPROVED, AGENDA
[8. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTIONS]
ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTIONS.MR. WAGNER MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION NUMBER ZERO 18 DASH 22 PERFORMANCE AND OPERATIONAL AUDITS, FYI 2023.
THANK YOU, MR. BUIL, IT'S BEEN A SECOND TO APPROVE RESOLUTION ZERO 18 DASH 22 OR ANY COMMENTS COUNSEL MS. DIXON, MR. PRESIDENT, MR. JOHNSON, MR. WOODS, MR. CHANDRA DANNO, MR. SCHROEDER, MR. WAGNER, MR. BIOLA BEING SEVEN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE ZERO NEGATIVE RESOLUTION ZERO 18 DASH 22 IS HEREBY APPROVED AGENDA ITEMS NINE THROUGH 14.
WE HAVE NO BUSINESS TONIGHT, 15
[15. BUSINESS FROM THE PRESIDENT]
BUSINESS FROM THE PRESIDENT.UM, I HAVE TO ADVERTISE OR ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES MEETING IS JUNE 22ND, 2022 6:00 PM.
SECOND FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING IN A CONFERENCE ROOM.
I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF OUR HARFORD COUNTY SENIORS.
UH, WE DID OUR BEST TO ATTEND EVERY GRADUATION.
UH, WE DID MISS ONE OR TWO, BUT WE TRY TO DO THEM ALL.
THE LAST WE DID WAS HAVING A GRACE BEL AIR C MILTON WRIGHT IN EDGEWOOD.
ALSO WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE COMBER FAMILY ON THEIR 40TH ANNIVERSARY FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
IT WAS EXTREMELY WELL ATTENDED JUST TO OUTSTANDING EVENT.
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AND THEN I'M SURE OTHERS WILL TALK ABOUT THE PARKS AND REC VOLUNTEER DINNER, THE 56TH ANNUAL AWARD DINNER.[16. BUSINESS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS]
UH, MR. JOHNSON, THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.UM, I'LL BE VERY BRIEF TONIGHT.
I WANT TO, UM, SEND MY PRAYERS AND CONDOLENCES OUT TO, UH, DFC, UH, GLEN HILL.
YOUR FROM WHAT COMICAL COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S DEFINITELY SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE A TOUGH JOB OUT THERE AND, UH, I CAN'T SAY THAT THIS IS PART OF THE JOB, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT JUST BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE JOB THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS DO OUT THERE AND THE HARM THAT THEY PUT THEMSELVES INTO KEEP US SAFE AND, AND KEEP OUR, UH, COMMUNITIES THRIVING.
SO, UM, I JUST WANT TO SET, LIKE I SAID, SEND MY CONDOLENCES OUT TO HIS FAMILY, HIS FRIENDS AND HIS COLLEAGUES, UH, THIS PAST WEEKEND.
UH, I HAD A CHANCE TO GO TO, UM, CHOSEN MOUNT MOUNT ZION'S CHOSEN THAT'S THEIR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.
UM, THEY HAD A REALLY GOOD TIME AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE DOING REALLY GOOD THINGS, UM, AT, UM, MOUNT ZION AND THE CHOSEN, UH, DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS REALLY, UH, DOING PHENOMENAL JOBS, UH, PHENOMENAL JOB INSIDE OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE, UH, MOVE 40 CORRIDOR AREA, GIVING OUT FOOD, YOU KNOW, HELPING THE HOMELESS, UH, HELPING, UH, CHILDREN.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE REALLY DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB, UH, THERE AT MOUNT, UH, MOUNT ZION.
UM, AND FINALLY, UM, LIKE THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT SAID, UH, WE HAD A WONDERFUL TIME AT, UM, AT THE GRADUATIONS FOR, UH, ALL THE HIGH SCHOOLS.
I TELL YOU THIS, THAT WE HAVE THE, THE, UH, THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST OF, UM, OUR, OF OUR COUNTY IS, ARE, THEY'RE DEFINITELY GRADUATING AND COMING OUT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING BIG THINGS, UM, IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT WITH, UH, WITH THE YOUNG FOLKS THAT ARE COMING OUT.
SO, UH, WITH THAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I'LL YIELD MY TIME BACK.
THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON, MR. WOODS.
I DO WANT TO EXPRESS CONDOLENCES TO ARE LIKE ON THE COOK COUNTY FAMILY.
IT'S SUCH A SENSELESS TRAGEDY.
AND I KNOW THEY'LL ALL GET THROUGH THIS, BUT I'M SURE HARTFORD COUNTY WILL BE THERE TO HELP THEM.
I'D LIKE TO THANK JENNY CHAR CASKEY FOR PROVIDING ME SOME MORE INFORMATION ON A CRITICAL AREA BILL'S ON TO THE, UH, EPHEMERAL STREAMS, IF I'M SAYING THAT CORRECTLY.
UM, AND SHE'S GETTING ME A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION SO I CAN DECIPHER THAT, BUT, UH, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATED THAT NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND, UM, THEY WERE VERY THOROUGH IN PROVIDING THAT.
UM, ALSO WANT TO, UH, IT WAS MY FIRST VOLUNTEER DINNER, UH, FOR THE VOLUNTEERS.
SO I, UH, I'M GLAD I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THAT.
AND THEN YESTERDAY I ATTENDED THE, UH, SOCIETY OF ITALIAN AMERICAN BUSINESS GOLF TOURNAMENT.
THEY WERE RAISING MONEY FOR THE ARK AND HARTFORD.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE OTHER ONE, HARTFORD ACTION COMMUNITY ACTION AGENCY OR FOR COMMUNITY ACTION AGENCY.
UM, LAST YEAR THEY GAVE 30,000 THIS YEAR.
THEY HAD A BETTER EVENT RAISE MORE MONEY.
I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE OVER 30,000 TO, UM, TO THOSE, UH, ORGANIZATIONS FOR THEIR HELP.
AND WE HAD A NICE YOUNG LADY SING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM YESTERDAY.
SO, UM, UH, THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THAT'S IT.
I ALSO WANT TO ECHO, ECHO MY SYMPATHIES FOR THE FALLEN OFFICER AND HIS FAMILY.
UM, SO MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE ALL OF THEM ALSO, UM, UM, MOUNT ZION CHURCH, THEY ARE AMAZING.
UM, THEY, THEY ALSO DID A NIGHT TO REMEMBER PROM EVENT ON WHEN I THINK IT WAS A FRIDAY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF, UM, SPECIAL NEEDS AND DIFFERENT ABILITIES.
AND IT TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT WITH MANY, MANY VOLUNTEERS, MY WIFE, AMBER, AND MADDIE, THEY HELPED OUT THE WHOLE TIME THERE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST COMMENTED, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THAT EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE, AND FOR, FOR, UM, ALL OF THEM THAT HAVE THAT SPECIAL NIGHT, THAT SPECIAL PROM.
SO MOUNT ZION IS JUST AMAZING.
WE ARE SO LUCKY TO HAVE THEM IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY DO SO MANY AMAZING THINGS.
ALSO A CONGRATULATIONS, UPPER CHESAPEAKE
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HEALTH IN THEIR OVER GOT A FUNDRAISER, UH, TO, UM, BENEFIT THE SENATOR BOB HOOPER HOSPICE HOUSE.I KNEW THAT THAT WAS A, A GREAT EVENT.
I HIT THE TAIL END OF THAT AFTER I WAS AT THE VOLUNTEER APPRECIATION, UM, DINNER AT SWAN HARBOR FARM.
AND IT IS JUST AMAZING TO SEE, UM, THE HOURS AND THE YEARS THAT OUR RAC VOLUNTEERS PUT IN.
UM, I SAW EARL LEE THERE, WHO I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A KID PLAYING BASKETBALL AND HE WAS TELLING ME, I THINK HE'S GOT 57 YEARS OF VOLUNTEERISM IN THINK HIM AND ONE OTHER PERSON THERE THEY'RE TIED, BUT, UM, IT WAS THIS NICE TO SEE HIM.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER, UM, WHEN I WAS A NURSE, PHIL KID PLAYING BASKETBALL, WE PLAYED DUBLIN.
I ALWAYS REMEMBER HIM AND HE STILL DOING IT.
AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, UM, ALSO OVER THE WEEKEND, COUNCILMAN BUHL AND I, WE ATTENDED EVENT, UM, FOR THE DISCOVERY CENTER AT WATER'S EDGE AT HARVARD COMMUNITY COLLEGE, IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED EVENT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT IT'S DOING IS IT'S TRYING TO GET OUR YOUNGER YOUTH INTO WHAT'S GOING ON AT APG AND SOME OF THE GREAT JOB OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE THERE.
AND I THINK AS THIS FACILITY IS BUILT DOWN AT WINTERS EDGE, IT'S JUST GOING TO, UM, BRING THEM TOGETHER AND, AND ACTIVELY AS A RECRUITING TOOL, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THE COMPANIES AND ABERDEEN PROVING GROUND.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, LIKE WE SAID, ABOUT THE GRADUATION CEREMONIES, THESE KIDS ARE REALLY, REALLY BRIGHT.
THEY WERE DOING SOME AMAZING THINGS AND, UM, THERE WAS AN AWARD CEREMONY THAT WE PRESENTED A PROCLAMATION FOR.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, JUST CONGRATULATIONS, LIKE EVERYONE SAID TO ALL THE GRADUATES, I ATTENDED ALL THE CEREMONIES IN THE COUNTY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST AMAZING.
UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES YOU ONLY HEAR THE BAD ABOUT THINGS, BUT WE HAVE SOME REALLY BRIGHT STUDENTS IN HARFORD COUNTY AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO GREAT THINGS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A GOOD PLACE.
SO THANK YOU, MR. SCHROEDER, MR. WAGNER, EVERY SO OFTEN.
AND I KNOW MOST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, THE OFFERING OF A RIDE ALONG WITH, UH, WITH THE POLICE OFFICER, BE IT A SHERIFF OR ONE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES.
AND LAST WEEK I DID RIDE ALONG WITH AN OFFICER IN, IN ABERDEEN.
AND, AND THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING.
UM, WE DID SEVERAL DIFFERENT TRAFFIC STOPS AND, YOU KNOW, EACH AND EVERY TIME THE OFFICER GETS OUT OF HIS CAR AND STEPS UP TO A, A, A STRANGE, UH, CAR DOOR THAT HE DOESN'T KNOW WHO'S THERE.
WHAT THEY'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM ALL THE RESPECT IN THE WORLD BECAUSE, UH, THE AVERAGE AMONG US, WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T STEP INTO THAT POSITION, NOT KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE WALKING INTO.
AND, UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A VERY NICE, A VERY NICE RIDE ALONG.
AND I APPRECIATE ABERDEEN'S COOPERATION.
IN FACT, I'M DOING ANOTHER ONE THIS UPCOMING WEEK ON THURSDAY IN A DIFFERENT AREA, UM, AND SEE SOME DIFFERENT THINGS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I KNOW THERE WAS A SUCCESSFUL CLEANUP THAT WAS DONE, UH, IN, IN ABERDEEN THIS PAST WEEKEND.
AND, UM, SOME OTHER EVENTS THAT WENT ON DOWN THERE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE WELL ATTENDED IN THE ABERDEEN COMMUNITY BACK IN THE FIRST PART OF MAY AFTER THE, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENTS REPORT THAT THEY HAD HERE.
AND WE TALKED THROUGH IT WITH THEM, SORRY, NOT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, I'M LOOKING AT THIS SENTENCE.
AND IT SAYS HEALTH EDUCATION, THE, UH, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION WHEN THEY DID A PROGRAM FOR US THAT, THAT EVENING.
AND WE GOT OFF ON THE SUBJECT OF, UH, THEIR HEALTH, EDUCATION, UM, CLASSES AND WHAT THEY'VE GOT IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. AND WE ALL HEAR FROM TIME TO TIME, SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE YOU RAISE YOUR EYEBROW AND YOUR EARS TWITCH A BIT BECAUSE YOU, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF THE CURRICULUM THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, HOW IT HAS A PLACE IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEMS, ESPECIALLY IF PARENTS DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT MANY TIMES, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN THE CLASSROOM.
AND I, THE LETTER CAME BACK FROM THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT OF SCHOOLS, AND THERE WAS AN INTERESTING SENTENCE IN THERE THAT, UH, UH, THEY INDICATED THAT, UM, UH, UNDER THE REGULATIONS THAT LOCAL SCHOOL SYSTEMS MUST ALLOW PARENTS OR GUARDIANS TO VIEW ANY INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS TO BE USED IN TEACHING FAMILY LIFE AND HUMAN SEXUALITY, AND TO ALLOW STUDENTS TO OPT OUT ON THAT SUB ON THAT INSTRUCTION.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING THROUGHOUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR, I THINK, PARENTS TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THE, UH, THE STATE SUPERINTENDENT STATED THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO COME IN AND CHECK OUT, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY OBLIGATED TO BRING THAT OUT AND SHOW TO THE PARENTS THAT REQUEST IT, AND
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THAT THAT CHILD CAN OPT OUT OF A PROGRAM THAT THE FAMILY MAY NOT FEEL IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT CHILD.SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL KEEP A HAND ON THIS AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT, UH, AT LEAST I WANTED TO SHARE THAT LETTER WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WITH THE PUBLIC TO, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT.
THANK YOU, MR. WAGNER, MR. BILL, THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT.
UM, YES, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, SEVERAL OF US ATTENDED THE 56 ANNUAL, UH, PARKS AND REC, UH, RECOGNITION CEREMONY, UM, AT SWAN HARBOR, VERY, VERY NICE EVENT, WELL ATTENDED, UM, HAD A GOOD TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, IT WAS FOR VOLUNTEERS BY THE WAY.
AND, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF OUTSTANDING VOLUNTEERS, UH, HERE IN THE COUNTY.
SO, UH, CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM.
AND IT'S COUNCILMAN SHRODE MENTIONED, UH, I THINK IT WAS THIS PAST SATURDAY.
WE ATTENDED THE MAGIC IN SCIENCE FAIR AND FAMILY FESTIVAL, UH, FOR THE DISCOVERY CENTER IN WATER'S EDGE.
AND I WOULD SAY I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DISCOVERY CENTER BEING BUILT THAT THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.
I THINK THEY HAD ROUGHLY ABOUT 2000 PEOPLE COME THROUGH ON A SATURDAY.
I MEAN, THERE WAS EXCELLENT EXHIBITS IN SOME OF THE PROJECTS, UM, THAT THE STUDENTS, UH, SIX SEVENTH AND I THINK EIGHTH GRADERS DID.
I MEAN, UH, YES, OUR FUTURE IS BRIGHT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF VERY INTELLIGENT YOUNG PEOPLE.
IT WAS VERY WELL DONE AND VERY WELL ATTENDED ALSO.
UM, THIS IS THE, UM, COURSE, I'M SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S FLAG DAY TO DAY, BUT IT'S ALSO THE 247TH BIRTHDAY OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY, WHICH I'M A PROUD VETERAN OF.
[17. COMMENTS AND INPUT FROM ATTENDING CITIZENS]
AGENDA, ITEM NUMBER 17, COMMENTS AND INPUT FROM TENEX CITIZENS MYSTICS.AND DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? WE DO.
WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER THIS EVENING, JOHN MALLAMO GOOD EVENING, SIR.
AND YOUR COLLEAGUES IS A LONGSTANDING TRADITION TO DEVELOP A SUMMER READING LIST.
AND I WOULD OFFER THESE SELECTIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FIRST RADICAL SHEIK BY THOMAS WOLFE.
LEARN HOW HE COINED THE TERM, MOWING THE FLAG, CHECK CATCHER.
NEXT RHYME OF THE ANCIENT MARINER WRITTEN BY SAMUEL TAYLOR, CALL RIDGE A POEM ABOUT IMPETUOUS DECISIONS, THE CONSEQUENT ADVERSITY, UH, ADVERSITY VISITED ON OTHERS AND THE PENALTY FOR THOSE INTENT AND PATCHINESS DECISIONS.
FINALLY BR'ER RABBIT AND THE TAR BABY.
THE STORY OF ARROGANCE, A STORY OF POOR JUDGMENT AND INTEMPERATE, UH, ACTIONS AND RELIEF IN THE BRIAR PATCH.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WROTE THAT STORY.
IT SEEMS MORE LIKE FOLKLORE THAN AN AUTHORED STORY.
NOW I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT REPRESENTATIVES FROM VARIOUS SPECIAL INTERESTS WILL CALL UPON YOU FOR YOUR FAVORS ON THEIR NEXT BEST SPECIAL PROJECT.
AND I WOULD OFFER YOU THESE COMMENTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
YOU ARE MOUNTED BY THOSE REPRESENTATIVES AS A PITCH, THE BENEFIT OF THAT PROGRAM.
I HAVE, UM, YOU MAY, WELL, WHERE ARE THE ALBATROSS AROUND YOUR NECK FOR AN, AN IMPETUOUS DECISION, BUT IT IS YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO SUFFER THE ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES AND ARROGANCE POOR JUDGMENT AND TEMPERED ACTIONS WAS STICK TO THE PEOPLE FOREVER, BUT IT IS YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE THROWN IN THE BRIAR PATCH.
PLEASE LET US KNOW HOW YOUR SUMMER RECESS WIN.
NOW ON ANOTHER NOTE LAST WEEK, I SAID NOTHING.
SOME PEOPLE EXPRESSED DISAPPOINTMENT, NO DOUBT.
THERE WERE OTHERS WHO WERE GRATEFUL, BUT I CAN TELL YOU WITH GREAT CERTITUDE, WHETHER I SPEAK OR NOT, THE COUNTY COUNCIL CAN CONDUCT THEIR MEETINGS WITH, OR WITHOUT ME WITH MY SPEECH OR WITHOUT IT.
I HOPE THAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE MAKE IT A POINT TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, TO ARTICULATE THEIR ISSUES AND TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT THEY ARE IN FACT, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT, WHETHER YOU LIKE THEIR ISSUES, WHETHER YOU LIKE THOSE PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY SPEAK WELL OR POORLY, THEY ARE HARFORD COUNTY.
YOU REPRESENT THEM GOOD NIGHT.
THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKERS MR. PRESIDENT WITH NO
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OTHER SPEAKER SIGN UP.THIS MEETING WILL BE ADJOURNED.