Feb 06, 2024 County Council

[a. Bill 24-001 (Zoning Accessory Dwelling Units)]

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GOOD EVENING CHAIR CALLS ORDER PUBLIC HEARING FOR BILL 24-001 ZONING, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, MR. PENMAN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT. UM WHILE WE'RE PREPARING THE POWER POINT THAT WILL HAVE ON DISPLAY. I DO WANT TO THANK THE SPONSORS FOR SUPPORTING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ALIGN AID EU REGULATIONS WITH THE EVOLVING NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO COUNCIL MEMBERS OF ALL SADDLES AND GUTHRIE AND I HOPE TO EARN, UM, THE SUPPORT OF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL. BUT THE POWER POINT THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO GET INTO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TO DISCUSS THIS OVERVIEW. WE'RE GOING TO DEFINE WHAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ARE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE BILL. HOW IT WAS DEVELOPED THE CURRENT EIGHT EU REGULATIONS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT I'M SUGGESTING CHANGE THE A D, U REGULATIONS THAT WILL REMAIN THE SAME, ALONG WITH THE GOALS OF THE CHANGING CODE REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT SOME COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS AND POSSIBLE CHANGES OF THE BILLS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. UM SO WITH THAT SAID, WHAT IS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. THEY VARY IN SIZE AND SHAPE BY DEFINITION, A TUR SMALL RESIDENCES THAT SHARE A SINGLE FAMILY LOT WITH A LARGER PRIMARY DWELLING AS AN INDEPENDENT LIVING SPACE AND A D U IS SELF CONTAINED WITH HIS OWN KITCHEN, BATHROOM AND SLEEPING AREA AND YOU CAN BE LOCATED ATTACHED OR DETACHED TO THE PRIMARY DWELLING IN A DAY TO YOU CAN BE CONVERTED FROM EXISTING STRUCTURES SUCH AS A GARAGE OR BUILT OOH! UM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS BILL, UM, PARTICIPATION IN INFORMATION WAS GATHERED FROM THE MARYLAND STATE 80 YOU TASK FORCE, WHICH IS TAKING PLACE NOW MYSELF AND LEGISLATIVE AIDE HAVE ATTENDED EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS JUST TO GAIN SOME INSIGHT ON THE KIND OF IDEAS, UH, THAT THE STATE IS PUSHING, UM, RESEARCH TO THE CURRENT EU REGULATIONS ACROSS THE STATE OF MARYLAND WERE ALSO CONDUCTED AND I CAN TELL YOU, UM OUT OF 19. 23 JURISDICTIONS. COUNTIES UM, 24. IF YOU CONSIDER BALTIMORE CITY. UM MOST OF THEM HAVE 80 US, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE 80 US THAT ALLOW FOR DETACHED, UM, THAT ALLOW FOR OUTSIDE OF THE FAMILY TO LIVE IN THESE 80 USR TORONTO COUNTY, CALVERT COUNTY, CAROLINE COUNTY, CARROLL COUNTY, CHARLES COUNTY, HOWARD COUNTY, KENT COUNTY, MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND QUEEN OUT QUEEN ANNE'S COUNTY TALBOT COUNTY WILL COMICAL COUNTY WORK. CHESTER COUNTY ALL ALLOW THE SAME REGULATIONS THAT I'M HOPING TO PASS HERE THROUGH LEGISLATE. ELATION WITH ONE CAVEAT. THE OWNER MUST OCCUPY SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY, WHETHER IT'S THE 80 YOU OR WHETHER IT'S THE PRIMARY DWELLING. UM. ALSO UM, WE'VE EVALUATED THE CURRENT HARVARD COUNTY A D REGULATIONS, WHICH WILL DISCUSS RECEIVED SOME INPUT FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, ALONG WITH STATE MEMBERS.

STAKEHOLDERS EXCUSE ME, UH, IN DECEMBER, THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION WAS SENT ACROSS THE STREET TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, ASKING FOR A MEETING IN TO DISCUSS ANY CONSIDERATIONS. THEY HAVE INPUT. UM I RECEIVED NO ANSWER FROM THEM. A FISCAL EVALUATION WAS SPECIFICALLY ANSWER. IT REQUESTED FROM THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, BUT AGAIN I RECEIVED NO INPUT. UM SO I HAD TO GO OFF WITH WHAT OUR RESEARCH HAS SO REALLY QUICKLY. WELL KIND OF REVIEW THE CURRENT EU REGULATIONS AU IS PERMITTED AND ON A SINGLE LOT IN THE A G R R R ONE R TWO R THREE R FOUR R AND VILLAGE BUSINESS. UM, EXCUSE ME, VR. THE EU SHALL BE PHYSICALLY ATTACHED TO OR LOCATED WITHIN A SINGLE, FAMILY, DETACHED DWELLING UNIT AND A TUR RENOVATION SHALL CONFORM TO ALL APPLICABLE ZONING AND BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS. AND YOU SHALL BE AT LEAST 300 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE BUT SHALL NOT EXCEED THE LESSER OF 1500 SQUARE FEET. OR 50% OF THE TOTAL, A TOTAL HABITAT AT SPACE OF THE PRE EXISTING HOME ON THE LOT. THE A. D. YOU SHALL NOT CONTAIN MORE THAN TWO BEDROOMS, THE 80 YOU SHALL BE SEPARATED FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNIT BY MEANS OF A WALL OR FLOOR WITH AN INTERIOR DOOR BETWEEN THE ACCESS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND THE PRINCIPAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THE AID YOU SHALL CONTAIN A COOKING, LIVING SANITARY SLEEPING FACILITIES THAT ARE PHYSICALLY SEPARATED FROM THE PRINCIPAL, SINGLE, FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING UNIT. SO WHAT DO I WANT TO CHANGE IN THIS BILL? REDEFINE THE DEFINITION OF A ACCESSORY, DWELLING IT TO ALLOW TO BE EITHER WITHIN DIRECTLY ATTACHED TO OR ON THE LOT OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, MEANING DETACHED AS WELL. REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT

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WHICH IS THE REASON WHY THE GOVERNOR IS PUSHING SEVERAL LEGISLATIVE, UM, HOUSING. UM, LEGISLATION EFFORTS GOING FORWARD LATER ON ON PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'LL DISCUSS THAT AS WELL AS FAR AS MAKING HIS POSITION ON THAT. SO WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES OF A U. S? UM AN 80. YOU CAN BE USED FOR HIRED CAREGIVERS ARE OLDER POPULATION CAN REMAIN IN PLACE INDEPENDENT. I CAN TELL YOU BASED OFF AN AARP , UH, SURVEY COMPLETED IN 2021 FOUND THAT 77 77% OF PEOPLE 50 YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER. WANT TO REMAIN IN AGE IN PLACE, 77% SAID THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO RENT IN 80 YOU TO A FRIEND OR A LOVED ONE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

PRACTICAL OPPORTUNITY FOR TENANTS SEEKING SMALL COST EFFECTIVE RENTAL HOUSING.

GENERATES RENTAL INCOME FOR HOMEOWNERS. 80 US CAN SLOW SPRAWL. GENERAL SOLUTION TO THE DENSITY DEBATE LESS INTRUSIVE THAN APARTMENT COMPLEXES. 80 US INCREASED THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME ONE NUMBER. I HEARD. I'M NOT A REAL ESTATE EXPERT IS IT COULD HAVE PROVED THE VALUE OF YOUR HOME UP TO 30% WHICH INHERENTLY WOULD INCREASE THE PROPERTY VALUE IN THE, UM THE REAL ESTATE , UH, TAX INCOME FOR THE COUNTY. AND ONE PRIMARY ASPECT OF THIS IS HOMEOWNERS TYPICALLY LIVE ON PREMISES AND ARE LESS LIKELY TO RENT THEIR PROPERTY TO ON PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF OUR SOCIETY. 80 YEARS OFFER YOUNG PEOPLE ENTRY LEVEL HOUSING CHOICES. AS WELL AS PROVIDE GUEST HOUSING FOR HOMEOWNERS. SO AGAIN, IT'S A SMART STRATEGY TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS THAT ARE COST EFFECTIVE FOR SENIOR AND OUR YOUNG POPULATIONS, AND SENIORS DON'T HAVE TO EXHAUST THEIR FINANCIAL ABILITIES AND A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY. SO MOVING ON. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOME COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS AS IT RELATES TO 80 USE. YOU MUST FOLLOW WATER AND SEWER WELL OR SEPTIC DEPENDENT IF YOU LIVE IN THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE OR OUTSIDE OF IT, UH, GUIDELINES BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. THE 80. YOU SHALL NOT EXCEED 50% OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENTS, UH, SIZE WITH THE MAX OF 1500 SQUARE FEET. THE PROPERTY OWNER MUST AGAIN OCCUPY THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE OR THE 80

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AND AGAIN IF THE PROPERTY IS SOLD, THE NEW OWNER MUST RESUBMIT THE REQUEST FOR A ZONING CERTIFICATE. AND ONE IMPORTANT ASPECT AND, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY, UM, MORE RELEVANT TO AREAS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT. ER DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE IS THE HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATIONS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PROHIBIT 80 US IN DEVELOPMENTS. CONTINUING ON THE LEGISLATION WOULD NOT RESULT IN MASSIVE INCREASE IN DENIS'S DENSITY IN MOST PROPERTIES WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR AN EIGHT EU 80 YOU IS AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION. THEREFORE IT'S GOING TO BE UTILIZED IN A NEED BASED CAPACITY FOR THE HOMEOWNERS ENFORCEMENT MEASURES WOULD BE THE SAME WITH ANY OTHER ZONING VIOLATION IN THE COUNTY. WHICH IS COMPLAINT DRIVEN. 80 YEARS WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY RESIDENTS THEY CANNOT BE SOLD INDIVIDUALLY. MUNICIPALITIES HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL ZONING PROCEDURES THEMSELVES, SO THEY'RE NOT GOVERNED BY THIS LEGISLATION. SO ABERDEEN HABIT AGREES. BEL AIR ARE GOING TO BE GOVERNED BY THEIR OWN, WHETHER THEY ALLOW OR NOT ALLOW A D USE. THIS LEGISLATION ALLOWS FOR RESPONSIBLE PLANNING AND IS SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS AGAIN OF THE PLANNING ZONING DEPARTMENT. IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. SO MOVING ON. ALL LEGISLATION HAS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS FOR AND AGAINST THIS AU PROPOSAL. NOW BASED OFF OF FEEDBACK FROM THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND CONVERSATIONS WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE ON THE COUNCIL. UM I THINK WE'RE WORKING ON SOME AMENDMENTS TO PUSH FORWARD ON THIS LEGISLATION SUCH AS IMPACT FEES, IMPACT FEES OR AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION THAT'S TAKING PLACE NOW. SO UM, WITH THE HELP IN SUGGESTION OF SOME OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO PUSH FORWARD THAT REQUIRE IMPACT FEES TO BE ASSESSED FOR ANY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. IN ADDITION, WE ARE IN DISCUSSION FOR PROPERTY SIZE REQUIREMENT, MEANING ONE ACRE IT WILL BE HARD PRESSED TO PUT AN ¥80 ANYTHING LESS THAN ONE ACRE ANYWAYS, BASED OFF THE BOUNDARIES IN THE EASEMENT, UH, LINES IN EACH PROPERTY, SO UM, AND AGAIN THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION ON THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. WHY THAT IS NOT LISTED IN THERE. THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IS GOING TO BE GOVERNED BY THEIR OWN GUIDELINES, NOT NECESSARILY THE LEGISLATION HERE. SO WITH THAT, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY ON ON THE INPUT AND YOUR CONCERNS INVOLVING 80 US. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND PARTNERED ON THIS EFFORT. SO WITH THAT, MR PRESIDENT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MR PEMON COUNCIL. IT'S YOUR TIME FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ANYONE. MR RILEY. EXCUSE ME, MR RILEY. UM. REMEMBER WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EACH ONE IS RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK, SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE UNLESS YOU'RE CALLED UPON. MR RILEY. YES, I, UH. LOOKED AT THIS, AND I THINK MY COLLEAGUE FROM DISTRICT B. THIS BILL DOES HAVE SOME MERIT. UM I SPOKE TO HIM ABOUT IT AND I WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP THE IMPACT FEE. AND UM, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SITTING IN THE KITCHEN OF THREE OF MY CONSTITUENTS IN NORTHERN HARFORD COUNTY. AN 88, YEAR OLD AND 91, YEAR OLD AND 96 YEAR OLD. THREE DIFFERENT FAMILIES, THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND IN TEARS . THEY BEGGED ME TO VOTE FOR THIS A D U AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THEY WANTED AGENT PLACE. THEY'VE BEEN LIVING IN THEIR HOUSES FOR 50 OR 60 YEARS, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, UH THEY DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE. THEY DIDN'T WANNA HAVE TO GO TO A NURSING HOME. THEY WANTED SOME CAREGIVER TO COME INTO THE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF HIM. I'M STILL NOT FULLY CONVINCED THAT THIS BILL IS 100% THE WAY WE WANT IT, BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I AM MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION AND MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE CAREGIVERS. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE MY HEART IS. I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY CONSTITUENTS ARE IN DISTRICT D. MOST OF THEM AREN'T INTERESTED IN AWS FOR ANY OTHER REASON.

BESIDES CAREGIVING, SO, UH, MR PRESIDENT. I HAVE. THANK YOU, MR RILEY. ANYONE ELSE? MR JAN JORDANA. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING, MR PRESIDENT. UM AARON, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. I SPENT, UM, BETTER PART OF PROBABLY TWO WEEKENDS CANVASSING MY NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, KNOCKING ON PROBABLY 50 DOORS AND I SPOKE WITH 30 PEOPLE. I DID EXPLAIN THIS BILL. UM UH AND NOBODY THAT I SPOKE WITH WAS IN FAVOR OF THIS BILL AT ALL. SO I'VE GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT MY CONSTITUENTS. I

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WHEN I LOOK AT THESE THINGS I OF COURSE I'M AN INSURANCE, SO I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM AN INSURANCE PERSPECTIVE THAT HOMEOWNER NO LONGER IS JUST A HOMEOWNER. HE'S NOW A HOMEOWNER. AND A AND A LANDLORD. SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ON THESE APPLICATIONS ARE IS THAT HOW THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT. NOW YOU ADD AN A D U. IT'S NOT CHANGED IT AND THAT CHANGES THE WHOLE RISK THAT IT'S NOT JUST A HOMEOWNERS. IT'S A TWO FAMILY DWELLING. UM SO THAT ALSO CHANGES THE SCOPE OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY YOU DON'T SMOKE. NOBODY IN YOUR HOUSE SMOKES, BUT YOU HAVE A TENANT NOW THAT SMOKES AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT CAN CAUSE A FIRE IN COULD CAUSE FIRE FROM SMOKING COULD BE SOMEBODY'S NEGLIGENT IN THE KITCHEN. IT JUST TAKES ON A WHOLE LOT OF RISK. UM I KNOW SOMEBODY NO LONGER OCCUPIES. THEY HAVE TO. THEY HAVE TO RESUBMIT FOR THE DWELLING. UM BUT YOU COULD HAVE A DWELLING THAT WAS BUILT AND THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT COME IN THERE DON'T WANT TO RENT THAT OUT. SO NOW WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE ANOTHER DWELLING ON YOUR PROPERTY, AND IT GOES VACANT. UM SO. I KNOW THE GOVERNOR IS PUSHING SOME THINGS. UM I'M NOT. I'VE READ WHAT HE'S HAS OUT THERE. HAVEN'T SEEN IT. UM, BUT I KNOW PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS DOING. UM AND ADVOCATING FOR US TO DO WHAT THE STATE WANTS. WE DON'T WANT TO DO WITH THE STATE WANTS AND A LOT OF CASES SO UM ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. COUNCIL PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, MR JANITOR DINNER, MR BENNET. THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER IS PRESENTED IS DONE, RIGHT? UM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE REQUESTED FOR, UM, COUNSELING PENMAN TO CONSIDER AS AN AMENDMENT IS PROHIBITING THESE BEING BUILT FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. YOU KNOW IF IT'S BEING BUILT FOR HOUSING, LET IT BE FOR HOUSING, NOT FOR SOMEBODY TO HOST YOU KNOW, WEDDING PARTICIPANTS AT THEIR HOUSE IN NORTH HARFORD OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, UM MINIMUM LIGHT SIZE, I THINK IS A BIG CONCERN. WHEN PEOPLE BUY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THERE'S A CERTAIN EXPECTED LEVEL OF PRIVACY THAT COMES WITH THAT. AND PROTECTING THAT PRIVACY IS IMPORTANT. YOU DON'T WANT TO END UP WITH A KITCHEN WINDOW IN YOUR BACKYARD FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR. IF THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU BOUGHT INTO, UM, CONCERNS OVER PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THEN, UM, ALSO JUST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE 1500 SQUARE FEET. 1500 SQUARE FEET IS THE APPROPRIATE MAXIMUM, OR IF THAT SHOULD BE LOWER. UM I MEAN, MY FIRST HOUSE WAS 700 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT WAS IT WASN'T AN 80 YOU THAT WAS THE PRIMARY RESIDENTS, SO IT'S 1500 SQUARE FEET REALLY INAPPROPRIATE MAXIMUM FOR THIS TYPE OF STRUCTURE. AND THEN LASTLY, WATER AND SEWER. UM I THINK THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES UH, ON A SEPTIC PROPERTY IS A MUCH LARGER STREAM THAN WHERE THERE'S WATER AND SEWER. SO THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE. I JUST THINK IT'S WORTH CONSIDERING. I APPRECIATE THAT COUNSELING. PENMAN IS OPEN TO AMENDMENTS IN, UM IN ALL THIS CONVERSATION, BUT THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOW I'M THINKING ABOUT AND I'M GONNA BE TAKING DETAILED NOTES TONIGHT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS THINKING ABOUT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR BENNETT. MR GINGER DINNER ALSO WANT TO BRING UP I DID TALK TO THE PRIOR COUNCILMAN WHO PUT IN THE OLD 80 YOU BILL THAT WE PASSED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. WHEN MYSELF. I'M SORRY. MYSELF AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT.

WE'RE ON HERE. HE HE STATED THAT THIS WAS A HORRIBLE BILL. HE DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY THIS BILL

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IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE, THAT YOU COULD MAKE IT NON SMOKING, AND SO YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE SMOKING AND IF YOU RUN IT OUT, NON SMOKING, BUT MY FIRST LOOKED AT THE BILL AND CONSIDERED IT. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT IT THINKING TO MYSELF WELL, IF YOU DID IT, AND NOT THAT I'M RELYING TO BREAK THE LAW. HOW SOMEBODY WOULD KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WHAT THIS SAYS SO I GUESS YOU I GUESS SOMEHOW YOU CAN GET CAUGHT IF YOU'RE DOING IT, AND YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO IT, BUT THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD ALSO, WE HAD OUR AGE WITH CHOPPER TOWN COMMUNITY MEETING LAST NIGHT, AND WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD CRAB WE HAVE ABOUT 50 SOME PEOPLE. AND I WENT AROUND TALKING TO EVERYBODY AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN READING ABOUT IT, AND I'VE PRESENTED FROM DAVIS'S WHEN I GAVE A SPEECH AND TALKING TO EVERYONE. I ONLY HAD ONE PERSON THAT CAME TO ME AND WAS SUPPOSED TO IT AND EVERYBODY WAS THERE. SO THAT'S JUST MY SLAIN ON IT. THANK YOU. THE SADDLES. THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT . UM I ECHO MULTIPLE, UM, CONCERNS THAT EVERYONE UP HERE HAS BUT I HAVE RECEIVED MULTIPLE EMAILS FROM CONSTITUENTS IN MY DISTRICT AS WELL AS OTHERS. THAT OUR SENIORS THAT ARE HOPING TO STAY WHERE THEY ARE. THEY WANT THEIR SON TO BE ABLE TO COME OVER AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A NIGHTTIME NURSE TO COME OVER AND LIVE IN THE PROPERTY AND NEVER HAVE TO LEAVE. UM I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE AND I THINK THAT BY NO MEANS WAS MY INTENTION AND I DON'T THINK I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE. BUT IT'S NOT TO MAKE IT AN AIRBNB OR A SHORT TERM, COME IN AND STAY TWO NIGHTS. I'LL MAKE A FEW $100. THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT OF THIS BILL, AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE, THEN LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING THAT. UM I THINK THAT THIS GIVES PEOPLE A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY IN THEIR HOME COMFORTABLY, AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. UM AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. BUT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS POTENTIALLY. AND I'M VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY THIS EVENING. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS SADDLES. ANYONE ELSE? MS DICKSON, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? WE DO.

MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE 23 THIS EVENING. OKAY UM, AGAIN, I WOULD JUST ASK EACH SPEAKER TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER IN THE AUDIENCE AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES APIECE. CALL YOUR FIRST SPEAKER. JENNIFER HOYT, FOLLOWED BY BILL MARTIN, MARY AND PAUL THOMPSON. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM NAMUN ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. JENNIFER OY. 7531 NORTH POINT ROAD AND SPARES POINT. TONIGHT I HAVE THE HONOR AND PLEASURE TO REPRESENT HARPER COUNTY ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS OF THE CHAIRPERSON OF THEIR LEGISLATIVE YEAH ASSOCIATION REPRESENTS 1500 MEMBERS, MOST OF WHOM LIVE AND WORK RIGHT HERE IN HARFORD COUNTY. AND WE SUPPORT BILL 24 DASH YEARS. AS REALTORS. WE ARE BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND ARE EXPOSED TO THE HOUSING NEEDS OF HARTFORD COUNTY ON A DAILY BASIS. BY WE ARE ALSO YOUR FRIENDS. YOUR NEIGHBORS, CITIZENS OF PARKER COUNTY. AND HARPER PROUD, JUST LIKE YOU. SO WHY DO WE NEED THIS BILL? BECAUSE OF THE CODE IS CHANGED.

IT CAN BE BENEFICIAL IN SO MANY WAYS. GREAT PARTNER. NEXT OUR SENIOR POPULATION IS ON THE RIGHT. MANY SENIORS HAVE FAMILIES THAT CAN HELP THEM AGE IN PLACE, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM.

ALSO MARYLAND IS FACING A HOUSING CRISIS. WE DON'T NEED WE DON'T JUST NEED HOUSING. WE DESPERATELY NEED OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO BEGIN THEIR JOURNEY TO HOME OWNERSHIP. IT IS SOFT SPRAWL. BECAUSE THEY ARE BUILT IN AN EXISTING FOOTPRINT. A FEW AND FEW PEOPLE EVEN NOTICE THEY DO USE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. HELPING THE COMMUNITIES TO RETAIN THEIR CHARM WHILE ALLOWING HOMEOWNERS FLEXIBILITY. NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT ANOTHER POINT IN THIS BILL THAT PEOPLE HAVE CONFUSED. UNDER THIS BILL, IF YOU HAVE A DETACHED 80 YOU IT MUST BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE ORIGINAL RESIDENCE. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE A 1500 SQUARE FOOT 80 YOU IS TO OWN A 3000 SQUARE FOOT HOME. THE SMALLER THE ORIGINAL HOME, THE SMALLER THE 80 YOU NOT EVERY DETACHED 80 YOU WOULD BE 1500 SQUARE FEET. NORWOOD. EVERY 80 YOU BE DETACHED. ALSO UNDER THIS BILL, NOT EVERY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING COULD BUILD AN A D U WHY BECAUSE OS SETBACKS, EASEMENTS AND SUBJECT REQUIREMENTS MAY DENY THE ABILITY TO BUILD THE DETACHING.

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HELPING HOMEOWNERS FINANCIALLY IN THESE DIFFICULT TIMES. FINDING THAT MUCH NEEDED FIRST HOUSING STEP FOR OUR HARD WORKING MIDDLE CLASS LIKE TEACHERS, FIRST RESPONDERS, POLICE OFFICE SUPPORT STAFF INTO THIS BEAUTIFUL AREA. WE CALL WE CALL HARPER. AND I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS INFORMATION. SINCE HARFORD COUNTY ALLOWED 80 US TO BE BUILT AND MARKETED. THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND ZONING HAS ISSUED ABOUT 10 PERMITS PER YEAR. THAT BEARS REPEATING ONLY 10 PERMITS PER YEAR. AT THE END ARRUNDELL COUNTY PAST THERE A DUE BILL WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. IN APRIL OF 2023. THEY HAVE ONLY HAD 13 REQUESTS FROM PERMITS. 13 PERMITS IS NOT REALLY A GAME CHANGER FOR THIS ACCOUNT. BUY IT IS A GAME CHANGER FOR THE 13 LIVES OF THOSE APPLIED FOR PERMITS. THANK YOU TO ALL OUR MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE, AND ALBANY MAYOR MCGRADY, HARVEY GRACE MAYOR MARTIN AARP AND THE MARYLAND BUILDERS INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION FOR SUPPORTING THIS BILL TODAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MA'AM. HMM.

CALL YOUR NEXT SPEAKER. BILL MARTIN ERI, FOLLOWED BY PAUL THOMPSON. MR THOMPSON. PLEASE STEP UP CLOSE TO THAT, MIKE. WE'RE GETTING CALLS THAT PEOPLE CAN'T HEAR YOU AT HOME. SO PAUL THOMPSON, I'M AT 298 CANTERBURY ROAD, BEL AIR TO 1014. I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN WORKS FOR A LOCAL ARCHITECTURAL AND LAND PLANNING FIRM. WHAT I'VE SEEN OVER OVER THREE DECADES. IS NUMEROUS FAMILIES, LEAVING HARPER COUNTY FOR BALTIMORE AND ARUNDEL COUNTIES BECAUSE THEY CANNOT DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AS A GROWING FAMILY. MOST OF THESE FAMILIES AREN'T TRYING TO AGE IN PLACE. MOST ARE BRINGING THEIR PARENTS IN FROM OTHER LOCALES AROUND THE COUNTRY. IN AN EFFORT TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. THEY HAVE A HUGE THREE CAR GARAGE THEY WANT TO PUT THEM UP IN THAT THREE CAR GARAGE WITH CURRENT A BU LEGISLATION. DOES NOT ALLOW A DETACHED SCENARIO EVEN IF YOU WERE TO ENCLOSE A SEMI GATEWAY. IF YOU WILL, TO THAT THREE CAR GARAGE, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED PART OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. SO IT HAS TO BE IN THE MAIN STRUCTURE, MOST PARENTS OR, UM, THEIR KIDS DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THAT CLOSENESS OF LIFESTYLE. THEY WANT SOME PRIVACY, RIGHT? AND HARFORD COUNTY DOES NOT AFFORD THAT FOR THEM. ALL THREE OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES DO THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR LEGISLATION BELLAIRE ADOPTED AT A FEW YEARS AGO HAVING DEGREES AND ABERDEEN HAVE HAD IT FOR YEARS. UM AND THEY DON'T REQUIRE A ONE ACRE PARCEL. THOSE WERE MUCH SMALLER PARCELS AND THEY'VE LEARNED TO LIVE IN HARMONY. IT HAS TO BE POLICED AND RICH TRUITT INBUILT SAYS THAT HE HAS BOOTS ON THE GROUND. HE COULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE ISSUES THAT ARISE. UM I'M A HUGE FAN OF INCREASING TAX BASE. UM YOU KNOW, IT AFFORDS OUR COMMUNITIES THE ABILITIES TO DO PARKS AND BETTER OUR ROADWAYS AND SO FORTH. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE MY CLIENTS LEAVE FOR OTHER COUNTIES, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR FAMILIES. GROWTH UM, CERTAINLY CARETAKERS, BUT WE ALSO SEE RETURNING COLLEGE STUDENTS THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE. IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND THIS GIVES THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO BE PROPPED UP TO SOME EXTENT TO AND NOT HAVE TO LIVE IN THEIR PARENTS' BASEMENT. SO UM, I'M A HUGE SUPPORTER. I'M NOT OVERLY EXCITED ABOUT THE ADDITION OF NECESSARILY AN IMPACT FEE. I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAKE THIS AFFORDABLE FOR OUR FAMILIES, UM AND NOT TRY TO PUSH IT UP OVER TO A POINT WHERE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. SO WITH THAT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL AND REALLY NONE OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PROPOSED THIS YEAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. BETH POGGIOLI, FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA KANIA. UM MY LATE CHECK OUT MIKE ONE MORE TIME. MR JOLY, IF YOU COULD HOLD ON JUST A SECOND, PLEASE. OKAY HELLO. GOOD EVENING. NAME AND ADDRESS. PLEASE. BETH MAJOLI. MY ADDRESS IS ON FILE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? UM I OPPOSE BUILT 24. OKAY THIS ONE WILL BE BETTER. HERE THAT YOU DO. MS POGGIOLI, YOU'LL NEED TO GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS. REALLY? YES, MA'AM. 2740 GREEN ROAD.

BALDWIN, MARYLAND TO 1013. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I OPPOSE BILL 24-001 , AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST

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ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ARE THEREFORE AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF HOUSING CHOICES AND SUPPLY IN

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A COUNCILMAN RILEY MENTIONED TONIGHT AS MANY OTHERS HAVE THAT THE HOPES OF MANY, UM. IN OUR COMMUNITY HOPED TO AGE IN PLACE, WHICH IS ALREADY PERMITTED IN THE CURRENT ZONING LAWS.

COUNCILMAN PENGUINS MENTION OF THE EU TASK FORCE, AND THEIR IMPENDING REPORT DOES GIVE ME A GLIMMER OF HOPE. BUT TOMORROW AHEAD WITH LEGISLATION BEFORE THE FINDINGS OF THEIR REPORTS ARE PUBLISHED. IS UTTERLY UNCOOKED COUNCILMAN PENMAN AND HIS FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS OUGHT TO KNOW BETTER THAN TO PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. THE CHANGES COUNCILMAN PENMAN IS PROPOSING WILL DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD. AND FOR THAT REASON I OPPOSE BILL 24 001, AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE NOW FORWARD. IT IS MY SINCERE HOPE THAT COUNCILMAN PENMAN AND HIS COLLEAGUES WILL PRIORITIZE THE NEEDS AND CONCERNS OF OUR CONSTITUENTS ABOVE ALL ELSE. THE FOCUS SHOULD BE SERVING THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND ENACTING POLICIES THAT PROMOTE SUSTAINABLE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN CATERING TO EXTERNAL INTEREST OR POLITICAL MOTIVATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SANDRA HOPKINS, FOLLOWED BY BETH SHEER. HELLO SANDRA HOPKINS. I LIVE AT 2812 EMERTON ROAD IN ABINGTON. AND I'VE BEEN A HARFORD COUNTY RESIDENT. MY ENTIRE LIFE. THIS YEAR. I HAVE THE HONOR OF BEING THE PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD COUNTY ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS. BUT I'M NOT HERE REPRESENTING THE ASSOCIATION TODAY. TODAY I'M HERE SPEAKING AS A CITIZEN. AND. I AM IN SUPPORT OF REMOVING THE FAMILIAR LANGUAGE RESTRICTION FROM THE 80 YOU CODE. MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE AN 80. YOU AND OUR PROPERTY. AND WHEN MY HUSBAND'S PARENTS BECAME ILL WE RENOVATED THEIR HOME TO TAKE CARE OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO AGE IN PLACE, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE WAS BETTER BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE AND WE WERE WITH THEM. WHEN WE MOVED IN WITH THEM. WE ALSO BROUGHT MY MOTHER AND THEN LATER, MY FATHER AND I DEFINITELY BELIEVE THAT MY FATHER LIVED LONGER BECAUSE HE WAS LIVING WITH US. AND I ALSO WANT TO ADD THAT NONE OF THEM COULD HAVE AFFORDED TO LIVE IN ASSISTED LIVING. IN 2019 HARFORD COUNTY, AGREED. THAT THE A. D U. S WERE MARKETABLE, MEANING THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BE TORN OUT AT THE TIME THE HOME WAS SOLD. I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE OUR RIGHT AS HOMEOWNERS TO DETERMINE WHO LIVES IN THOSE 80 US. AND FOR WHAT REASON? I HAVE NO PLANS TO LEAVE HARFORD COUNTY AND WHEN, ONCE MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY MOVES ON I WANT TO BE ABLE TO HELP OTHER ELDERLY PEOPLE. OR A YOUNG PERSON WHO MAY BE IN A DIFFICULT FINANCIAL SITUATION. WE BELIEVE IN HELPING OTHERS, AND NOT EVERYONE HAS A FAMILY WHO CAN RELOCATE TO TAKE CARE OF AN ELDERLY PERSON WHO WANTS TO AGE IN PLACE. FINALLY I HOPE WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I ARE IN NEED THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE SOMEONE IN TO TAKE CARE OF US. WHETHER IT BE FAMILY, A FRIEND. OR UM OR A CAREGIVER. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. THANK YOU, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BETH SHEER. I'M AT 2814 CROSS COUNTRY COURT IN FALLSTON, MARYLAND, 21047. HARFORD COUNTY HAS EXISTING EIGHT EU LEGISLATION THAT MAKES

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THIS LEGISLATION IS PRESENTLY ARE ACTUALLY PRESENTLY CREATES SIGNIFICANT, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BY OTHER PARTIES HERE. UM THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO ENFORCE. THE LAW REGULATION FOR THE TYPE OF 80 YOU CALLED FOR IN THIS LEGISLATION DOES NOT EXIST PRESENTLY. AND THE BUDGET FOR SEEING HAS NOT BEEN CONSIDERED. FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN AN A D YOU AFTER THE FACT IS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT MANPOWER PROBLEM. UM I AM A REAL ESTATE AGENT. I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF HARTFORD COUNTY. I HAVE OLDER PARENTS. I HAVE OLDER IN LAWS AND I HAVE AN OLDER AND ALL OF WHOM I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR UM IN 14 YEARS AS A REAL ESTATE AGENT. NOT ONE TIME NOT ONCE. HAS A CLIENT OR WHETHER THEY ARE BEIRA SELLER. COME TO ME AND SAID, I WANT A HOUSE. THAT HAS A DETACHED BUILDING FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN MY FAMILY TO LIVE IN.

NOT ONE TIME. I DON'T SUSPECT THAT THEY WILL. ON THE OCCASIONS WHERE AN ADULT CHILD WITH AN OLDER PARENT OUT OF STATE I WAS LOOKING AT A PROPERTY LIKE ONE. SIMILAR TO WHAT THIS LEGISLATION WOULD ALLOW. THEY HAVE THEM IN BULLY ROCK. THEY'RE FAIRLY NO. THAT YOUNGER PERSONS. LONG TERM DECISION WAS. I'M NOT BUYING THIS BECAUSE WHEN MY MOTHER IS FINISHED LIVING HERE HOW AM I GOING TO RESELL THIS? I'M GONNA HAVE TO TEAR OUT. THE ENTIRE FRONT PART OF THIS PROPERTY. TO MAKE A LIVING SPACE FOR MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND. IT REALLY JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. YOU CAN IN FACT, HAVE SOMEONE IN YOUR HOME. TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR AGING PARENT. YOU'RE AGING AUNT.

YOU'RE AGING IN LAWS. I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT BEEN THERE DONE THAT. IT'S COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY POSSIBLE. GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TOM CHORD, FOLLOWED BY BILL ON IRAN. OH, GOOD MORNING, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. THOMAS CORE 1316, GRAFTON CHOP ROAD BEL AIR TO 1014. I'M ON. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL, JUST BASICALLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN PROPERTY ON OUR RIGHTS OR PROPERTY RIGHTS, UM AND HAVING THE ABILITY TO USE OUR PROPERTY. THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO USE OUR PROPERTY. ONCE AGAIN. I BELIEVE THE CURRENT A D U IS GREAT CURRENTLY. BUT HAVING IT THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE DETACHED STRUCTURE LIKE PAUL TALKED ABOUT EARLIER REALLY PROVIDES US MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BETTER TAKE CARE OF OUR OLDER PARENTS, DISABLED DAUGHTER. THAT GIVES THEM THE PRIVACY AND, UM, THE SECURITY THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL LIFE. SO I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD EVENING, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS. PLEASE BILL ON DORADO. I LIVE AT 1803. FALSTAFF ROAD. BEL AIR MARYLAND.

I OPPOSED THIS BILL. AS AS WRITTEN. I THINK I GENERALLY SUPPORT THE A. D. U. S WHEN USED AS INTENDED. I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE THAT THERE ARE A GOOD THING, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GIVE AN OPEN ENDED BLANK CHECK LIKE THIS, TOO. THE COMMUNITY. IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT FOR ABUSE. WE'RE GOING TO SEE SITUATIONS WITH AIRBNB S. AND SPECIFICALLY, IT'S REALLY WHAT I'M OBJECTING TO IS THE DETACHED BUILDINGS ON OUR ONE THAT BASICALLY ALLOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD EVERYBODY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, TOO. BUILD A TINY HOUSE IN THEIR BACKYARD. THAT'S NOT WHY I MOVED TO R ONE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT DETACHED. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM ON OUR TWO LOTS ARE THREE LOTS EVEN CONSIDER THAT. I MEAN, I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO TIGHTEN DOWN. UM PUT MORE RESTRICTIONS AROUND BUILDING A DETACHED ONE OR ONE, AND MAYBE IT'S BY SPECIAL EXCEPTION

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THAT UM THE DETACHED STRUCTURES. IN NEIGHBORHOODS WITH AN H O A SHOULD BE PROHIBITED UNLESS THE H O A SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS IT. TO PUT IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SO YOU DON'T HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, LAG TIME. ON THE ENFORCEMENT SO UM. THE OTHER CONCERN IS JUST I'M READING ABOUT THIS. THE RISE OF THESE BUILD TO RENT COMMUNITIES AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. AND YOU SORT OF.

LOOK AT THIS AND SAY WHAT DEVELOPERS ATTORNEY WITH A DEVIOUS MIND. USE THIS TO BUILD THEY BUILD THE RENT COMMUNITY. ON OUR ONE HMM. WHERE WOULD OTHERWISE NOT BE ALLOWED? SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY BUILT FROM SCRATCH WITH TWO HOUSES. AND I KNOW THAT YOU GOT THE REQUIREMENT THAT ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS NEEDS TO LIVE THERE. BUT ONCE IT'S UP AND BUILT AND OCCUPIED. YOU CAN'T EVICT. AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT. IN OTHER CASES, SO. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME THAT THERE'S THAT YOU'RE OPENING A HOLE FOR UM, CERTAIN DEVELOPED.

BRING YOUR COMMENTS. I'M DONE. BUT THANK YOU, SIR. AMY JANET GAGNON FOLLOWED BY KATIE GONNA KNOW. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. NAME AND ADDRESS. EVENING I'M AMY. JAN EGON. MY ADDRESS IS 2193 CEDAR KNOLL COURT IN BEL AIR. AND I'M A REALTOR. AND LIKE ME AND MY OTHER COLLEAGUES THAT ARE HERE TODAY AND THOSE THAT ARE JOINING US FROM HOME. WE SPEND OUR DAYS HELPING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY BUY AND SELL THEIR HOMES FIND PLACES TO RENT RENT OUT THEIR PROPERTIES. AND WE SEE THE STRUGGLES. WE SEE WHAT'S FACING OUR YOU KNOW WHAT FACING OUR CLIENTS TODAY AND THERE'S YOU KNOW, TWO BIG ISSUES, OUR INVENTORY AND AFFORDABILITY. UM I'M GOING TO TELL THE TALE TODAY OF TWO OF MY CURRENT CLIENTS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO REALLY FIT. WHAT THIS NEED IS WITH FOR A D U. S. I'M NOT GONNA USE THEIR REAL NAMES FOR THEIR PRIVACY. BUT UM ONE CLIENT, UM, HER CAR JEAN. SHE IS IN HER SIXTIES, RECENTLY DIVORCED AND IS LOOKING FOR A NEW PLACE TO START ON HER OWN. HER BUDGET HAS CHANGED, AND SHE IS TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN AU IN IT IN THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT, AND WE'VE SEARCHED ALL OVER THE PLACE LOOKING FOR THIS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, SHE'D LIKE TO RETIRE, AND SHE WANTS THE PARTY TO BE ABLE TO EARN SOME PASSIVE INCOME TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AND BE ABLE TO HAVE HER FRIEND. LIAM AND HER INDEPENDENCE. UM AND IT'S A STRUGGLE. ANOTHER CLIENT IS A RENTER, AND SHE'S LIVED IN BEL AIR FOR SEVEN YEARS AND THE PRICES OF HER RENT HAVE CONTINUED TO GO UP TO THE POINT WHERE SHE CANNOT AFFORD IT. AND SO RIGHT NOW I'M STRUGGLING TO FIND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING. SHE DESCRIBED WHAT SHE WANTED. AND SHE DESCRIBED IN A DO YOU LIKE WITHOUT KNOWING THAT'S WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT. TO TRY TO FIND SOMEPLACE WHERE SHE WOULD HAVE HER FREEDOM . SHE DIDN'T NEED APARTMENT AMENITIES. SHE DIDN'T WANT THE EXTRA OVERHEAD. SHE JUST WANTED TO FIND SOMETHING THAT SHE COULD LIVE IN. YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMUNITY IN A SAFE PLACE AND FIND AND IT'S RUNNING A CHALLENGE, SO I MEAN, I ASK ALL OF YOU TO REALLY THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW THESE THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE, UM YOUNG PEOPLE THAT NEED TO YOU KNOW WHAT A LEG UP WHEN THEY'RE FIRST GETTING OUT AND STARTING UM, THEY CAN'T

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KATIE CANNON. OH, HMM. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS KATIE. GONNA KNOW MY ADDRESS IS 2320. FRANKLIN'S CHANCE. COURT FALLSTON, MARYLAND 2 10 47. IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL GOOD EVENING COUNTY COUNCIL AND HARTFORD COUNTY. I'M HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO JOIN YOU ALL AGAIN IN THE CHAMBERS. UM YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY TO ME THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE IT WAS IN NOVEMBER. AND I WAS, UH I WAS LISTENING TO STRONG OPPOSITION TO APARTMENTS.

AND CLOSING WHAT SOME WOULD CALL A QUOTE DEVELOPER FRIENDLY LOOPHOLES IN HARFORD COUNTY AS A WHOLE, SPECIFICALLY IN B THREE. I AM GLAD THAT BILL 23-027 WAS PASSED AND I THINK ALL OF YOU AGAIN FOR DOING? SO, HERE'S WHAT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. ONE OF THE MAIN OBJECTIONS FROM RESIDENTS WAS THE LACK OF SUPPORTING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN. SCHOOLS ROADWAYS, WATER, SEWER EMERGENCY SERVICES, ETCETERA. ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. NOW. HERE I AM. HERE WE ARE BACK FIGHTING A SIMILAR ISSUE A D. U S AND ITS NOT TO USE AS A WHOLE. IT'S THIS BILL. THIS BILL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I WAS SICK FOR THE MOST PART OF NOVEMBER DECEMBER WITH PNEUMONIA. I'M STILL HAVING SOME ISSUES, BUT I FEEL LIKE I MISSED SOMETHING LIKE WHERE ARE THE SCHOOLS GOING ? IF THERE'S MORE PEOPLE, UM HAVE I MISSED HUGE GAINS AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH MORE EMPLOYEES. WHAT IS GOING ON? WHO IS ASKING FOR THESE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME PEOPLE IN THE REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY HERE AND NOTE. I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE AFFORDABLE.

HOUSING BUT AT WHAT PRICE BUILDING MORATORIUMS, MR GUTHRIE . I LIKE YOU. I KNOW WE HAVE A GOOD REPORT. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU SUPPORT THIS. AND THE BUILDING MORATORIUMS. WHAT'S COMING FIRST. UM AARON AND JESSICA. I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT I'M NOT SURPRISED EITHER. ONE OF YOU ARE BACKING THIS BECAUSE OF DEVELOPER INTERESTS. SEEMS A LITTLE SUSPICIOUS TO ME. UM. I'M SAYING TO SAY OH, I HAVEN'T DISTRICT B AARON, YOU KNOW, LIKE HE WAS A PERSON, BUT NOT AS MY REPRESENTATIVE. I FEEL ONCE AGAIN, LET DOWN BY LACK OF REPRESENTATION. DO YOU THINK EVERYONE IS CUT OUT TO BE A LANDLORD? I DON'T THINK SO. I HAVE A DETACHED GARAGE. I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT IN EACH AWAY. SO LITERALLY, EVERYONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD COULD POTENTIALLY BUILD ONE OF THESE. SO WITH BILL TO FOR DASH 001, I COULD CONVERT AN APARTMENT. A FAMILY COULD MOVE IN THERE. WHAT IF THEY HAVE KIDS? I WOULD ASSUME THEY COULD USE BENEFIT TO IS THAT CORRECT? UM WOULD THERE BE ADJUSTMENTS FOR IMPACT FEES? SURELY SOMETHING COULD BE DONE OTHER THAN THIS BILL TO HELP OUR ELDERLY POPULATION AGE IN PLACE.

HANDS IF PEOPLE RENTING DO NOT PAY RENT ON TIME. NEED HELP WITH PLUMBING AT 2, A.M, ET CETERA.

HOW WILL RENTAL CONTRACTS BE ADDRESSED AND BETTER YET ENFORCED? WELL THE COUNTY STEP IN THAT SEEMS LIKE MORE BIG GOVERNMENT FROM OUR SUPPOSED REPUBLICAN COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THERE ARE SO MANY SCENARIOS WHICH ARE NOT EVEN ADDRESSED IN THE BILL. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE BESIDES THOSE PUSHING FOR IT. THE BOTTOM LINE SEEMS LIKE GREED. ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE FIX OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST. STOP IGNORING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. THANK YOU.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. CHRIS DREW OUR FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE FLASH. GOOD EVENING, SIR. AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING. CHRIS JUROR 10 JULIET LANE, NINE AM MARYLAND 21236. I COME TO YOU GUYS AS FORMER PRESIDENT OF HARVARD COUNTY ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS TONIGHT. UM I HAVE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER ALL THE OTHER GOOD DATA THAT FELLOW REALTORS HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED HAVE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. UM 900 MILROY TARIFFS. I HAD A GUY CALLED ME IN 2015 AND ORDER GENTLEMAN. UM, AND HE WAS TELLING ME HE COULD NOT AFFORD TO PAY HIS MORTGAGE ANYMORE. SO I DID SOME INVESTIGATION CAME OUT AND TOOK A LOOK. HE HAD A, UH, GROUNDSKEEPER STAYING WITH HIM IN A RANCHER. GARAGE WAS CONVERTED OVER INTO A ROOM. AND.

THE NEIGHBORS COMPLAINED, AND THERE WAS ONLY ONE CAR EXTRA IN THE DRIVEWAY. THERE WAS REALLY NO IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS. LONG STORY SHORT. THE OWNER CANNOT AFFORD. THEY'RE MORE HIS

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GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING, STEPHANIE. FLASH ON BEHALF OF FRIENDS OF HARFORD P O BOX 294. ABBY DID MARYLAND 21009. FRIENDS OF HARFORD OPPOSES BILL 24 DASHES OR ONE WHILE WE RECOGNIZE THE BILLS INTEND TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE AND ELDERLY HOUSING.

WE BELIEVE THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION FALLS SHORT OF THE PURPOSE AND LACKS NECESSARY ZONING REGULATIONS, WHICH MAY ADVERSELY AFFECT HARVARD COUNTY CITIZENS. THE INTRODUCTION OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AS RENTAL UNITS WITHOUT SUFFICIENT PROTECTIONS AND ENFORCEMENT IS A MAJOR CONCERN. WE SUGGEST THAT LEGISLATION INCLUDES UPDATED LIVABILITY CODES TO SAFEGUARD RENTERS. A CLEAR PERMITTING PROCESS, REASONABLE FEES AND ENFORCEMENT GUIDELINES THAT DISCOURAGE THE MISUSE OF AWS IS VACATION RENTALS. AND THE CREATION OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS. AS WE HEARD TODAY, THE BUILD TO RENT AS AN EXAMPLE, HAVING GRACE AND MARYLAND. OTHER MARYLAND COUNTIES HAVE ZONING REGULATIONS IN PLACE, BUT THERE ARE SPECIFIC TO SECONDARY DWELLINGS. CONSIDER A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE BEST PRACTICES AND RESOURCES TO DRAFT LEGISLATION. AIM TO BE SUCCESSFUL USE OF 80 US FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ELDERLY HOUSING. ADDITIONALLY THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION CONTRADICTS THE GOALS SET BY THE MASTER LAND USE PLAN AND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE, WHICH GUIDES THE GROWTH OF OUR COUNTY. THE INTRODUCTION OF SECONDARY DWELLINGS ON SINGLE FAMILY LOTS AND LOW DENSITY AREAS OR LIMITED DEVELOPMENT AREAS GOES AGAINST THE INTENDED PLANNING OBJECTIVES . UNPLANNED DWELLINGS PRESENT OBSTACLES FOR SCHOOL PLANNING.

PRESERVING THE ENVIRONMENT, PROTECTING OPEN SPACE AND MAINTAINING THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF EACH DISTRICT. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO COLLABORATE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND ZONING TO PREVENT EXCESSIVE POPULATION. UM, CONCENTRATION, POLLUTION AND CONGESTION ARISING FROM THIS PROPOSED LEGISLATION. WE ALSO SUGGEST EXAMINING EXISTING COUNTY INCENTIVES LIKE THE PAYMENT IN LIEU THE PILOT PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE AND THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY VISIBLE DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS, WHICH ALREADY ADDRESSED SPECIFIC HOUSING NEEDS FOR DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS AND ELDERLY AND DISABLED INDIVIDUALS. IN FACT, A REVIEW OF THE 2017 EDGEWOOD'S SMALL AREA STUDY HIGHLIGHTS THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A VIBRANT, TRANSIENT ORIENTED COMMUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE CONSIDERATION OF THESE ADVERSE EFFECTS OF LEGISLATION ON ONGOING REVITALIZATION EFFORTS. IN THE CHESAPEAKE SCIENCE CORRIDOR. THE ROUTE 40 IS ESSENTIAL. FURTHERMORE WITH THE STATE LEVEL TASK FORCE FINDINGS, DUE IN JUNE OF 2024, FOLLOWING A COMPREHENSIVE YEARLONG REVIEW, WE URGE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CONSIDER THIS TIMEFRAME AND THOROUGHLY EVALUATE THE IMPACTS OF UNPLANNED GROWTH. CONSIDERING THESE CONCERNS, WE KINDLY REQUEST TO WITHDRAW THIS BILL ALLOWING FOR THE DRAFTING OF LEGISLATION BETTER ALIGNED WITH THE FUTURE NEEDS OF AFFORDABLE AND ELDERLY HOUSING IN HARFORD COUNTY WITHOUT AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. LESLIE STEIN, FOLLOWED BY CARIN HOLMES. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS LESLIE STEIN, PRESIDENT OF 810 FAIR ONE DRIVE BEL AIR MARYLAND AS A RESIDENT OF HARFORD COUNTY. I'M HERE TO REVIEW MY OPINION OF BILL NUMBER 24-001 ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ZONING. I AM FOR THE CONCEPT OF 80 YOU ZONING AS THIS WILL BRING ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO THE COUNTY THROUGH APPLICATION FEES. ZONING FEES INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES, WHICH CAN RESULT IN INCREASED TAXES. AND PROMOTING STAYING AT YOUR HOMESTEAD AS YOU TRANSITION THROUGH LIFE. I DO HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS REGARDING THE PROPOSED BILL. IT STATES A MINIMUM OF 300 SQUARE FEET LIVING SPACE. I FEEL THIS IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO PROVIDE THE LIVABLE SPACE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS LISTED IN THE BILL, SUCH AS A BATHROOM, A BEDROOM AND A PLACE TO EAT IN KITCHEN. WHAT IS THE MINIMUM ACREAGE

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WITH THE 80 YOU ALLOWED TO BE DETACHED FROM A DWELLING. NOTHING IS NERDIER REGARDING TINY HOMES OR RVS. I DO KNOW SOME PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY WHO ARE CURRENTLY LIVING OUT OF AN EXTENDED RV AS THEY ARE WAITING FOR HOUSE TO BE BUILT. OR DOING A DIFFERENT TRANSITION. AFTER AWARDED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL FOR THE 80 YOU FROM ZONING WHO WITHIN MONITOR THE UNIT AS BEING USED, AGREED UPON AND THE A D U AGREEMENT. WHO'S GONNA TAKE OVER THE PROJECT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS STILL BEING FOLLOWED AS AGREED UPON. AND WILL THERE BE A MONITORING FEE BEING CHARGED TO THE HOMEOWNER? WHAT IS THE PENALTY IF THERE IS A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP OR RESIDENT OF THE UNIT? AS IT'S NOT STIPULATED IN THE BILL. I CAN DO A CASH OFFER ON A HOUSE THAT HAS AN 80 YOU AND YOU WOULDN'T KNOW I MADE A CHANGE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KAREN HOMES AND I LIVE AT 1601 ADRIAN COURT IN FOREST HILL, 21050. AH SO MY HOUSE IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN HARTFORD ESTATES, WHICH IS IN DISTRICT THREE, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS R TWO ZONING AND NO HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. SO LIKE MANY OF YOU, I SEARCHED AND CHOSE CAREFULLY WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME. I LOVE MY HOUSE. MY YARD.

MY NEIGHBORS AND ABOVE ALL MY PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO LIKE MANY OF YOU. I UNDERSTOOD THAT I WAS BUYING INTO A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. IF THIS BILL PASSES, ALL THAT COULD CHANGE.

THERE MAY BE PLACES IN HARFORD COUNTY FOR INCREASED DENSITY BUT THE BACKYARDS OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT THOSE PLACES. IF EVEN ONE OR TWO LOTS ACROSS THE BACKYARD, ADDED ADDITIONAL HOUSE AND AS PEOPLE HAVE NOTED UP TO 1500 SQUARE FEET THEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE THOUGHT WE LIVED IN. WILL BE NO MORE. OUR BACKYARDS WILL BE LESS PEACEFUL AND LESS PRIVATE. I MYSELF LIVED IN RENTAL PROPERTY. FOR MOST OF MY ADULT LIFE. I WAS THRILLED WHEN I GOT MY HOUSE IN FOREST HILL. UM. THERE MAY, OF COURSE, BE NEED FOR MORE RENTAL HOUSING IN HARFORD COUNTY. BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO ADD IT. ADDING DENSITY BY SCATTERING RANDOM HOUSES THROUGHOUT BACKYARDS. IS A WAY TO LOSE CONTROL OF OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND REDUCE THE VALUE OF MOST OF OUR PROPERTIES. FOR MANY OF US, OUR BIGGEST ASSET. AS SOME OTHERS HAVE POINTED OUT. IT WILL ALSO ADD STRAIN ON OUR SCHOOLS, WATER AND SEWER AS WELL AS SHERIFF FIRE AND E. M S. I URGE OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE NO ON VILLE BILL 24-001. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. JAMES O'BRIEN, FOLLOWED BY DIANA SADOWSKI. GOOD EVENING, SIR. HMM I'M JAMES O'BRIEN, 1735 SHAKESPEARE DRIVE IN BEL AIR. UM HMM. I'VE LIVED IN HARVARD COUNTY FOR 50 YEARS. I'M 76 IN AARP, BUT I AM NOT A REALTOR. AH! MY 1ST 1ST ISSUE IS THE TIMING COMPANY WITH THIS THING BUILT THAT COMING UP THE DAY AFTER NEW YEAR'S DAY. UM A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE AT CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS. THAT'S THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITIES. UM AND I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A SHAME. ANOTHER ISSUE IS IF THIS NEEDS AMENDMENTS THEN IT SHOULDN'T PASS THE BILL. IT'S TOO BROAD AS IT IS. TRY TO GET THE BILL WITH ALL THE ALL THE THOUGHTS IN IT, THEN PRESENT IT AND THEN A DECENT DEBATE, AND PERHAPS PASSAGE OR REJECTION COULD HAPPEN. LOOK, THERE'S ANECDOTAL. MHM THERE'S ANECDOTAL SITUATIONS, BUT GENERALLY THERE'S NO NEED. FOR THIS BILL. UM, WE HAVE CONTROLLED.

CIRCUMSTANCES FOR ADDITION TO FAMILY HOMES THAT COULD TAKE CARE OF CARE GIVERS. THE

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THERE'S HOMES AVAILABLE IF YOU LOOK FOR IT, UM SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A DRIVER EITHER.

ALSO AS IT STANDS NOW, IT'S IN CONFLICT CONFLICT WITH COMMUNITY BYLAWS AND COVENANTS. THAT'S THAT'S NOT TAKEN CARE OF IN THIS BILL, AND I AND THERE'S ONE IMAGINED FOUR HOUSES UP. THE GUY HAD AN ELDERLY PERSON. HE BUILT THE THING RIGHT IN THE BACK OF HIS HOUSE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. IT'S ATTACHED AS A DOOR SEPARATE THING HAS EVERYTHING IN IT. BUT NO NEED FOR A SEPARATE RENTABLE UNIT. SO IN SUMMARY, IF YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTY. AND YOU DON'T WANT ARTIFICIAL URBANIZATION AND DENSITY. YOU WOULD VOTE AGAINST THIS BILL. YES, YOU ARE. YOU KNOW THE REGULAR PEOPLE A LOT OF RADAR. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS. WE NEED YOU TO PROTECT THE COUNTY FROM BAD AND PREMATURE BILLS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. GOOD EVENING. DIANA SADOWSKI 1113 STRAHM CO DRIVE FALLSTON, MARYLAND TO 1047. I STAND BEFORE YOU AND OPPOSITION OF BILL 24 001. I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT IN THIS COUNTY. AND DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT MAKING THIS OWNING ADJUSTMENT IS BENEFICIAL TO OUR COMMUNITIES? THERE ARE NEGATIVE IMPACTS. OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THEM. DENSITY CONCERNS DECREASE IN THE LEVEL WHERE CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICES POLICE FIRE HOSPITALS. HARTFORD MEMORIAL JUST SHUT DOWN QUALITY OF LIFE IN SINGLE FAMILY OWNER NEIGHBORHOODS, IMPACT FEE AND TAX CHALLENGES, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND INAPPROPRIATE GROWTH. SO WHAT'S SO WHAT'S DRIVING THIS TYPE OF ADJUSTMENT? AND THAT'S A RHETORICAL QUESTION ONLY. HOWEVER UPON INVESTIGATING , WE FIND THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS CREATED A TASK FORCE AND THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED. WHOSE TOTAL PURPOSES TO SURVEY AND DOCUMENT STATE AND LOCAL CODES, LAWS, ORDINANCES AND POLICIES ABOUT LOCATING AND DEVELOPING A DEUCE IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONES, AND THAT'S JUST DIRECTLY OFFER THAT WEBSITE IN THE NOVEMBER 1ST 23 REPORT, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPED SAID, AND I QUOTE MARYLAND WILL ADD 97,200 EXTREMELY AND VERY LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS BETWEEN 2020 2030. IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM. I TOOK A LOOK AT BIRTH AND DEATH RECORDS AND THEY'RE NOT JIVING. THE GOVERNOR HAS SUBMITTED LEGISLATION. SENATE BILL 484 AND HOUSE BILL FIVETHIRTYEIGHT AND QUOTED EXPANDS THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW HOUSING BY REMOVING LOCAL ZONING BARRIERS, PROVIDE INCREASED DENSITY AND REMOVE CERTAIN LOCAL LIMITATIONS ON PROJECTS. IT WILL ALSO REMOVE LOCAL ZONING BARRIERS TO MANUFACTURED HOUSING STATEWIDE. HOW DOES IT FEEL KNOWING THAT THOSE WHO WERE SUPPOSED TO UPHOLD OUR ZONING LAWS ARE A BARRIER TO WHAT THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO DO TO OUR COUNTY? HARFORD COUNTY IS NOT ALONE IN THIS FIGHT. BALTIMORE COUNTY IS FIGHTING US TO THE SAME DENSITY ENCROACHMENT AS WE ARE. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THEY HAVE COUNCILMAN WHO ARE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THEIR COUNTY CONSTITUENTS. ARE YOU OKAY WITH GIVING THE GOVERNOR SO MUCH POWER OVER OUR COUNTY? PERHAPS HE SHOULD HAVE THE TITLE OF KING. AGAIN I SAY I'M OPPOSED TO THIS BILL. NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO BE A LANDLORD. AND IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN IN A TENANT LANDLORD SITUATION AND TRY TO EVICT SOMEONE, LET ME TELL YOU IT'S TIME CONSUMING AND MONEY EATING. IT'S A PROCESS. AGAIN WHAT'S THE GOING PRICE FOR THE SOUL OF A COUNTY? I'D RATHER HAVE NO BILL THAN A BAD BILL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM BRUCE LYONS, FOLLOWED BY PATTY HANKINS. GOOD EVENING, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING.

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AND WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT, THEY WERE FOR FAMILIES. THEY WEREN'T FOR RENTING. THIS IS NOT ABOUT MONEY ABOUT PEOPLE THROWING 80 US ALL OVER THE COUNTY. AND THEN READING THEM OUT HEALTH OR SKELETOR, AND IT JUST IT WILL DESTROY YOUR COMMUNITY. MR LYONS, LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE, BUT BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY HERE TONIGHT. MY TIME'S UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS PATTY HANKINS. I LIVE AT 229 ST MARY'S ROAD IN PYLESVILLE, MARYLAND. DO 1132. I AM OPPOSED TO BUILD 24 001 THAT WE REVISED THE DEFINITION OF AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IN HARTFORD COUNTY. I BELIEVE THAT CHANGING THE DEFINITION WILL LEAD TO UNCONTROLLED DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE, WHICH COULD LEAD TO A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN HARFORD COUNTY'S POPULATION. THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO IMPACT OUR SCHOOLS, ROADWAYS, WATER AND SEWER SERVICES. CMS FIRE SERVICES, ETCETERA WITHOUT ADEQUATE WAYS TO PLAN FOR THIS TYPE OF GROUP. AT THE 1018 2023 JARRETTSVILLE NORRISVILLE, NORTH HARFORD CAB

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BECAUSE THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE CASE. FOR FOREVER. IN ADDITION, THE MARYLAND EIGHT EU POLICY TASK FORCE WORKING ON A STUDY TO READ ON THE PLACEMENT OF A DUS ON LAND ZONE FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, THAT REPORT. IS DUE JUNE 1ST. I THINK IT'S VERY PREMATURE FOR THE COUNCIL TO MAKE ANY LEGISLATION OR ANY CHANGES TO THE ZONING CODE UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THE STATE IS GOING TO RECOMMEND. IS THERE GOING TO BE A POLICY RECOMMENDATION? OR THEY CAN ASK THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN 2025 TO CHANGE THE LAW? AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK HERE AGAIN. DOING MORE LEGISLATION.

OR YOUR HANDS WILL BE TIED BECAUSE THE STATE IS GOING TO TELL US WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

OTHER STATES HAVE MADE CHANGES TO THE 80 LAW, EU LAWS THAT HAVE INCREASED DENSITY AND SINGLE FAMILIES OWNED AREAS, CALIFORNIA RECENTLY CHANGED THEIRS, AND THEY TOOK AWAY THE RESTRICTIONS OF HAVING TO LIVE IN YOUR PRIMARY DWELLING AND THEY LET YOU SELL. IT HAS RUN OUT. THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT FISCAL IMPACT NOTE WAS REQUESTED AGAIN TODAY.

NOT ONLY THE DAY THAT I SPOKE TO YOU, BUT AGAIN TODAY I SUDDENLY EMAIL TO MR RICHARDSON IN REFERENCE TO IT. WE STILL HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING. AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I TRULY BELIEVE AS I SAID TO YOU ON THE 16TH. THAT I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT STEP. AND I AGREE, BUT YOUR TIME IS UP NOW. THANK YOU. LINDO ZISKIN, FOLLOWED BY JOSH CASAL. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. HELLO CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM. LINDA ZISKIN. DO YOU NEED MY ADDRESS? YES MA'AM. 25 02 THEMES. COURT FALLSTON, MARYLAND. THANK YOU. BILL 24 001 IS A TERRIBLE BILL FOR HARFORD COUNTY. IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE WE, THE COMMUNITY OR HERE AGAIN, WORKING TO PROTECT HARFORD COUNTY WHILE MR PENMAN AND MRS BOYLE STARTLES WORK FOR THE OPPOSITE TEAM. TRYING TO CROWD AND DESTRUCT OUR LAND.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE AMERICAN DREAM OF OWNING A HOME FOR A MOMENT. IF ANYONE SHOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, IT SHOULD BE ME. A SENIOR CITIZEN LIFELONG RESIDENT OF HARFORD COUNTY WHILE I COULD NEVER AFFORD ACREAGE WITH FIELDS AND WOODS TO CALL MY OWN, I HAVE FOUND AND NURTURED A NICE WILDLIFE HABITAT WITH LOVELY VIEWS IN MY BACKYARD, JUST AS MY NEIGHBORS HAVE IMAGINE NOW, FOR A MOMENT THAT ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS DECIDES TO ADD AN A D U TO THEIR LIVES MUCH WILL BE LOST. TREES PLANTS, LANDSCAPES WILL HAVE TO GO. AND WITH THEM THE CRITTERS THAT MAKE LIFE ENJOYABLE. MY VIEW OF LOVELY TREES, EXPANSIVE LAWNS AND WILDLIFE WILL BE REPLACED BY A BOX HOUSE FOR SOMEONE TO RENT ALONG WITH EXTRA VEHICLES PARKED HAPHAZARDLY. WITH THE LOSS OF VEGETATION AND MONITOR IMPERVIOUS AREA GAINED WATER RUN OUT OFF AND EROSION WILL NOW

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THEY CAN LIVE IN THE PLETHORA OF APARTMENTS WE ALREADY HAVE HERE IN HARTFORD COUNTY. THAT ARE SITTING EMPTY A LOT OF THEM IN ABERDEEN. HUGE ISSUE I SEE HERE IS REGARDING WATER WELLS AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT TO SUSTAIN ANY HOUSE. LAND IS NECESSARY FOR BOTH WHEN A SEPTIC ORWELL FAILS, THERE NEEDS TO BE SPACE AVAILABLE TO WORK. OTHER OPTIONS. THIS BILL MAKES NO SENSE TO ME NOT HAVING A LOT SIZE PARAMETERS. MR. HODDLE'S IN HER EMAIL STATED THAT 80 US MUST BE COMPLETELY WATER AND SEWER COMPLIANT. MAYBE MISS TODD ALS COULD EXPLAIN HOW THAT COULD POSSIBLY WORK. I DON'T BELIEVE A SEPTIC FIELD BUILT FOR A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE COULD POSSIBLY POSSIBLY BECOME COMPLIANT FOR NOW TO PROVIDE FOR FIVE BEDROOMS WITH A HOUSE, AN APARTMENT DWELLING COMBINED. ADDITIONALLY BUILT 03 31 S 216 20 A SEPTIC TANKS STATES. NO SEPTIC TANKS SHALL SERVE MORE THAN ONE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. I AM ENVISIONING A LOT OF FAILURES FAILURES TO OCCUR HERE. WE NEED TO HEAR FROM EXPERTS ON THIS TOPIC TO FEEL CONFIDENT. WE HAVE QUALITY DRINKING WATER. I FOR ONE, DO NOT WANT TO HAVE MY WELL. WATER FELL BY MY NEIGHBORS. SEWAGE I ASKED THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTE NO TO THE SECURE A BILL BILL. GOOD EVENING, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. JOSH COASTAL 1106 EMERALD DRIVE, BELLA MELON 21014 GOT IT RIGHT THIS TIME, GUYS, UM I POSE THIS BALL, NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS BOTTLE. YOU KNOW, IN THE REASON WHY ARE IT'S NOT ONLY BECAUSE TIMO DAY TEAM MEMBER DEVELOPMENT IS THE ONES THAT INTRODUCED THE BILL. THE ONES THAT ARE TRYING TO DESTROY OUR COUNTY AS WE KNOW IT IN AS WE LOVE IT, BUT IT IS JUST A BAD BILL AS THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. I AM PERSONALLY SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BENEFIT IF THIS BILL WERE TO PASS. I HAVE ALL THE AMENITIES IN MY BASEMENT. OPEN IT RIGHT BACK UP. START PAYING INCOME. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. PERSONALLY I'VE GOTTEN RID OF ALL MY ROOM PROPERTIES BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A STRING OR NOT ONLY MYSELF, BUT MY FAMILY JUST TO DEAL WITH SO THAT BEING SAID, UM WE WERE JUST HERE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, AND IT WAS STARTED IN AUGUST WITH THE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING BILLS AND PROPOSALS WITHIN THE BOSTON DISTRICT. WE COVERED THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS. THE SCHOOL ISSUES THE WATER SHOES AND HE ARE AGAIN. GUYS, GET IT. IT'S NOT GONNA WORK. WE DON'T WANT TO OVERCROWD THE COUNTING. BROUGHT UP TONIGHT. UM WHAT ABOUT BAD NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT HLS? I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE NATURE. I DON'T I DON'T WANT MORE GOVERNMENT OVERSEEING MY LIFE. AND SIMPLE. WHAT ABOUT IN MY IN A RESPONSE I RECEIVED FROM THIS POLO SADDLES AND MR PENMAN WAS THE CONSTITUENTS WANT THIS? THE VOTERS WANTED THIS. ANYBODY THAT WANTS THIS, BUT I DID FIND A LETTER. UM EXCUSE ME A REPORT THAT CAME OUT ON JULY 17TH. IT'S THE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REPORT. I SUGGEST EVERYBODY LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.

ON THAT ARE DONATING A LOT OF MONEY. THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS TO THIS NEEDS TO BE FOR THE PEOPLE. YOU ARE THERE TO REPRESENT US AS THE PEOPLE OF HARPER COUNTY, NOT THE SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS. NORTHEAST. YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT AMENDMENTS. YOU'RE WASTING MY TIME TONIGHT. I CAN TELL YOU IS BASKETBALL GAME, BUT NOW I'M HERE LISTENING TO A BILL THAT YOU ALREADY CONSIDERING CHANGING WHAT THAT SAID VOTE. NO WITHDRAWAL IT. LET'S MOVE FORWARD. GOODNIGHT. THE LAST SPEAKER THIS EVENING AS LEE HARRIS. HMM. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. THE HARRIS TO 905 FOSTER NODE FALLSTON, MARYLAND TO 1047. UM MOST ALL OF MY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TONIGHT. UM I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THIS BILL. UM DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO THE POSSIBLE ONE ACRE THAT WAS MENTIONED BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, WITH THEIR WAY OF LIVING IN HARFORD COUNTY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT KIND OF

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THANK YOU, MA'AM. THERE ARE NO MORE SPEAKERS. MR PRESIDENT, WITH NO MORE SPEAKERS. THIS WILL CONCLUDE THIS PUBLIC HEARING. FOR BILL 24 001, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AT A FUTURE MEETING.

WE'RE GOING TO BUT. THREE GOOD EVENING CHAIR CALLS ORDER LEGISLATIVE SESSION DAY

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

JUST OFF. YES, SIR. THE MICROPHONE. CHICAGO. WE JUST WANTED TO WELCOME YOU ALL INTO OUR MEETING TONIGHT. YOU GOT TO SEE FIRST HAND JUST A LITTLE BIT AGO. WHAT THE PROCESS LOOKS LIKE THEY ASKED ME BEFORE THEY CAME DOWN. YOU KNOW HOW MANY BILLS DO YOU ALL DO IN A YEAR, AND NOW THEY SEE WHY NOT TOO MANY, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO IT WAS 2006. AND I WAS THE BOY SCOUTS SITTING IN THESE AUDIENCE FOR MY SIT IN THE COMMUNITY MERIT BADGE. WHICH IS MY FIRST EXPOSURE TO WHAT THIS IS LIKE, AND IT'S SO EXCITING FOR ME TO SEE YOU ALL HERE AS GIRL SCOUTS TONIGHT, UM, TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS TO SEE HOW OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WORKS. UM YOU KNOW, ON A SCHOOL NIGHT WHEN YOU GOT TO WAKE UP EARLY TOMORROW MORNING AND DO IT ALL AGAIN. UM SO THAT'S HUGE KUDOS TO YOU GIRLS FOR BEING HERE FOR COMMITTING YOURSELF THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT GIVES EVERYBODY HERE WHO'S A GROWN UP HOPE FOR THE FUTURE SEEING YOU DOING THIS POSITIVE THING IN YOUR LIFE. IT WAS REALLY NICE TO SPEND THE NIGHT WITH YOU ALL AND TALK WITH YOU ALL AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE BUILDING WHEN WE HAVE EMPTY BUILDINGS SITTING, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE GET THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THINGS? UM AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT I SAID I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT, BUT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT TO, UM SO THANK YOU AGAIN AND THANK YOU TO YOUR TROOP LEADERS FOR BEING HERE. IT WASN'T UNTIL I WAS AN ADULT. AND I WAS THERE WITH MY BOYS. I MENTOR IN A SCOUT TROOP THAT I JUST REALIZED WHAT A COMMITMENT IT IS TO BE A TROOP LEADER AND TO TAKE CARE OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS OF HOURS AND WEEKEND NIGHTS SPENT TO SUPPORT YOU ALSO, I HOPE YOU KNOW HOW MANY ADULTS IN YOUR LIFE CARE FOR YOU DEEPLY. BUT UM SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THESE YOUNG GIRLS FROM BEL AIR AND HAVE DEGREES FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT. JUST JUST WANT TO REITERATE REAL QUICK. SO LADIES.

THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT. UM SUPPORT YOUR GIRL SCOUTS. I WANT TO BUY COOKIES. SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANY GIRL SCOUTS SEND THEM MY WAY I BOUGHT LIKE SIX OR EIGHT BOXES. I WANT TO BUY ANOTHER 10.

I LOVE TO SUPPORT THE GIRLS CATS . IF THAT'S THE WAY I CAN SUPPORT THE GIRL SCOUTS, SO WE'RE GLAD YOU GUYS CAME TONIGHT. YOU GOT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF ACTION. HOPEFULLY WE DIDN'T BORE YOU. AND THANKS AGAIN FOR COMING AND, UH AND YOU HAD A GREAT HOST. SO THANK YOU.

SO, LADIES, IF I MAY I'D LIKE YOU TO GET YOU TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. AND IF ALL OF YOU COULD

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ONE DAY SHE 100 ODD INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE THROUGH. DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER. WE PRAY FOR THIS COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT. WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US WISDOM AND GUIDANCE AS WE CONSIDER THE ITEMS BEFORE US EVERY DECISION BE RIGHTEOUS IN YOUR SITE FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL CITIZENS OF HARTFORD COUNTY AND FOR YOUR GLORY IN JESUS' NAME. AMEN AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU, LADIES. NOW YOU CAN GO HOME. PROBABLY A GOOD DINNER NOW, RIGHT? YEAH. YOU'RE MHM. AGENDA

[5. CONSIDERATION OF PETITIONS, APPLICATIONS, APPOINTMENTS AND NOMINATIONS]

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MS DICKSON PRESIDENT HIGH GUTHRIE PENMAN. MR GIORDANO. MR RILEY, I MR BENNETT I SEVEN VOTES IN THEIR FORMATIVE ZERO IN THE NEGATIVE. THE APPOINTMENT IS HEREBY APPROVED. ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD, MR JANITOR DONNA COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND MOVED TO APPROVE THE NEW APPOINTMENTS OF KATHLEEN BAKER BRUSH AND REESE JONES TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD. SECOND SECOND. THANK YOU, MR RILEY. BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE NEW APPOINTMENTS TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY BOARD. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MS DICKSON . MR PRESIDENT, MR GUTHRIE. I HIGHLY SADDLES, MR BENNETT. I SEVEN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AND ZERO IN THE NEGATIVE. THE APPOINTMENTS ARE HEREBY APPROVED. TELLING APPEALS BOARD MR JAN DREW DANNO COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE APPOINTMENTS OF MARIA NELSON TO THE TOWING BOARD OF APPEALS. 2ND 2ND. THANK YOU, MR RILEY. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE NEW APPOINTMENT TO THE TIME MOBILES APPEALS BOARD. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MISS DIXON. THE PRESIDENT, MR GUTHRIE , MR PENMAN, RILEY SADDLES, MR BENNETT I B SEVEN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AND ZERO AND NEGATIVE. THE APPOINTMENT IS HEREBY APPROVAL AND HE'S INDIVIDUALS IN THE CHAMBERS THIS EVENING. OKAY AGENDA NUMBER SIX SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS. WE HAVE

[7. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[8. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTIONS]

BEFORE YOU TODAY YOU HAVE, UM THIS IS ENABLING LEGISLATION. THIS IS A ANNUAL MATTER. THIS IS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL EVERY YEAR. AH BASICALLY ALLOWING THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TO APPLY FOR AND RECEIVE FUNDING FROM THE U. S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS HIGH AND THE MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, NOTICED UM D H C D. WE CAN'T EVEN RECEIVED A NUMBER OF GRANTS FROM

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[9. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS]

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[11. CALL FOR FINAL READING OF BILLS]

MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE BILL 23-0 37. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MISS DIXON. MR. PRESIDENT MR. GODFREY MR. PENMAN MR. JANITOR DANIELLE, MR RILEY SADDLES, MR BENNETT. EVERYTHING SEVEN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE ZERO AND NEGATIVE BILL 23-0 37 IS HEREBY APPROVED. 12

[12. ENROLLMENT OF BILLS]

[14. NEW BUSINESS]

THANK YOU, MR RILEY. IT'S MOVING SECOND TO APPROVE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT BALLOT LANGUAGE BILL 23-0 28. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MS DICKSON. MR. PRESIDENT MR. GUTHRIE MR. PENMAN MR. JAN GIORDANO, RILEY SADDLE, MR BENNETT. I THEY'RE BEING SEVEN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE ZERO IN THE NEGATIVE. THE ABOUT LANGUAGE REGARDING BILL 23-0 28 CHARTER AMENDMENTS, TERM LIMITS IS HEREBY APPROVED. COUNCIL WE RECEIVED THE VETO MESSAGE FROM THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ON BILL 23-0 34 DISTRIBUTION OF HOTEL TAX REVENUE AS AMENDED. WE HAVE BEFORE US. A RECONSIDERATION OF THE VETOED BILL MAY HAVE A MOTION COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I MOVED TO OVERRIDE VETO ON BILL 23-0 34. SECOND THANK YOU, MR BENNETT. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. TO, UM. OVERRIDE THE VETO A BILL 23 JUST 0 34. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MR BENNETT . UM YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT. IN THIS MOMENT. ONCE AGAIN, I'M DISAPPOINTED WITH THE LANGUAGE. THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE CHOSE THE EMAIL OUT AND SHARE OUT IN REGARDS TO THIS LEGISLATION. UM AND FOR THE SECOND TIME, IN MY RECOLLECTION, THE IMPLIES THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING CAUSING HIGHER TAXES, SOMETHING THAT NOBODY ON THE COUNCIL HAS DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED. UM AND REALLY THE HOTEL TAX REVENUE IS PAID BY PEOPLE LARGELY OUTSIDE OF HARTFORD COUNTY WHEN THEY COME TO VISIT PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING IN HOTELS FOR RESIDENCIES ARE EXEMPT FROM THE TAX. UM SO THIS

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INCREASING TOURISM. UH, SUPPORTING EVERY TOURISM VENUE, EVERY EVENT HIGHLIGHTING THINGS LIKE RESTAURANT WEEK AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF NUMBERS IN 2022. IN HARFORD COUNTY. WE WELCOMED 1.9 MILLION VISITORS. WE TOOK IN SPENDING IN HARFORD COUNTY $490 MILLION FROM OUR VISITORS THAT DOESN'T COUNT THEIR HOTEL EXPENSE. THAT'S THE RESTAURANT FEES OR THE RESTAURANT EXPENSES. EVENTS MUSEUMS OF ALL KINDS OF THINGS. UM SO WHEN THEY WERE IDENTIFIED TO DO THAT JOB, THEY'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB. AND FOR US TO INVEST $750,000.

OF. THE 2.5 MILLION THAT THOSE VISITORS PAY. THAT'S NOT HARFORD COUNTY'S RESIDENTS MONEY THAT'S OUR VISITORS COMING HERE. FOR US TO INVEST $750,000 TO BUILD THAT TOURISM. UM MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. UH SO THEREFORE THAT'S WHY I'M SUPPORTING MR GUTHRIE, IF I YOU'RE RIGHT, PAT. THEY HAVE DONE THAT. AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT OVER PROBABLY THE LAST NINE

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I'M NOTICING CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE I PROVED IT WITH THE AUDIT THE ORDERS. I HAD THEM ORDERED TO BUILD THE BILL SHOWED FROM 2023. EXCUSE ME, 2022 TO 2023. THE AMOUNT OF TAX TAKEN IN INCREASE FROM FROM 2022 TO 2023. BY ALMOST $300,000. MY BILL SAID WE'D GET 50% WHICH WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN FOR NINE YEARS, JUST SAYS DISTRICT AND DISTRICT F GETS THEY GET. PERCENT OF THE HOTELS IN THEIR MUNICIPALITY. I DON'T HAVEN'T MR COUNTY AH, BUT I HAVE NINE HOTELS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY RAISE, AND IT WAS. 50% WAS THOUGHT THAT WAS FAIR TO BE THE SAME. HOWEVER WE STILL EVEN WITH THAT PASSED THE WAY IT WAS. WE STILL WOULDN'T GET THE 50% WE STILL WOULD HAVE TO GO UNDER THE UNDER THE LAW. WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY AND STILL ASK FOR WHAT? WHAT UM, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT ON. WHAT? WHAT UM, PROGRAM. WE HAVE TO TRY TO GET THAT ONE HALF OF.

OF 685,000. WELL, LIKE THEY CUT THAT YOU KNOW THE AMENDMENTS AND HAS CUT THAT IN HALF. SO NOW WE'RE DOWN 131 140,000 THERE. THERE IT IS, AND IT, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO DO A MAJOR PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH 100 AND 30 140,000 MAY HIT MAYBE HIT A LITTLE FEW THINGS HERE, THERE. YOU KNOW WE'RE DOING A WE'RE DOING A AH, RIGHT NOW AT EDGEWOOD LIBRARY. WE'RE REDOING. AH THE BLACKTOP. YOU KNOW, ON THE PARKING LOT PARKING LOT IF YOU EVER MANAGE WOULD LIKE, BUT IT'S NOT VERY BIG, VERY BIG, SMALL PARKING LOT. OKAY JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF MY NO, IT'S CAPITAL PROJECT, BUT BUT I MEAN, ONLY DOING IT AS AS A SHALL WE SHOWING YOU THE MONEY, IT'S GONNA COST $166,000. TO DO THAT PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW? CUT ME IN HALF FROM DOWN. 230 140,000 COULDN'T EVEN DO A PARKING LOT, BUT IT'S A CAPITAL PROJECT BEFORE PAT JUMP TOLD ME ABOUT CAPITAL PROJECT. I AGREE, BUT NOW I'M GONNA JUMP ON YOU ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. THAT'S OKAY. I'M READY. I'M READY TO JUMP GET IN LINE, BUT IT'S LIKE IF I MAY INTERRUPT, YOU MEAN NO, BUT THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. THE. THE POINT I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT TAKE A LOT OF MONEY. BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE OVER THE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN TOURISM WHEN YOU TALK 100 AND $30,000. THERE ARE MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT COULD USE PORTIONS OF THAT AND BE SUCCESSFUL ART SHOWS MUSIC FESTIVALS. THEY DON'T COST A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THE COUNTY TO GIVE THEM ALL THE MONEY FOR THAT PROJECT. THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, THOSE NONPROFITS, RAISE MONEY ON HER OWN AND SPEND MONEY ON HER OWN. THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR HELP FROM THE COUNTY, WHETHER IT BE ADVERTISING OR SOMETHING ELSE. SO UM, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS. I JUST WANT TO MOVE FORWARD SO THERE IF THERE IS NO OTHER COMMENT. MYSTICS IN COLORADO PRESIDENT MR GUTHRIE. MR PENMAN, MR. JAN GIORDANO, MR RILEY SADDLES BY MR BENNETT. I BEING FIVE VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, TWO AND THE NEGATIVE BUILT 23 DESKS 0 34, AS AMENDED, IS HEREBY APPROVED. UM.

COUNTY ATTORNEY REQUEST, MR BY DID I PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME RIGHT? IS IT A BOY OR DUBAI? DUBAI OKAY , OKAY. SHE'LL BE THE DUBOIS HERE FOR THE COUNTY LAW DEPARTMENT. AND SO I'M HERE JUST

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PROBABLY ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE YEARS. SO UM, I CAN RUN THROUGH THE NUMBERS OTHERWISE, IF YOU HAVE THEM WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RUN THROUGH THE NUMBERS? CURRENT HOURLY RATE FOR A PRINCIPLE IN MILES AND STOCKBRIDGE FOR THE SERVICES IS CURRENTLY $260 AN HOUR. AND THEY'VE ASKED FOR AN INCREASE TO $300 AN HOUR. FOR ASSOCIATES AND STAFF ATTORNEYS.

THEIR CURRENT RATE IS $200 AN HOUR AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE TO 260. PARALEGALS AND LEGAL PROFESSIONAL ASSISTANCE. THEIR HOURLY RATE RIGHT NOW IS $185 AN HOUR THEY'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE TO $200 AN HOUR AND JUST FOR A FRAME OF REFERENCE, YOU KNOW, TAX ATTORNEYS NOWADAYS. LOOK BACK IN 2008, MILES AND STOCKBRIDGE. THEIR PRINCIPLES WERE CHARGING UPWARDS OF THE HIGH FOUR HUNDREDS AS THEIR STANDARD HOURLY RATE FOR THESE SERVICES, AND THAT WAS 2008. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THEY ARE TODAY, AND THEY'RE GIVING US A DISCOUNTED RATE OF $300. THAT'S FOR PRINCIPLES, SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO PROVE THIS REQUEST. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE'VE GIVEN THEM A BUMP IN NERVE FEES? IT WAS ABOUT 2014 OR 15. IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR, BUT AROUND THAT TIME IT WAS REQUESTED AND THEN GRANTED. OKAY? UM COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. UM AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THE FIRM NEEDS TO STAY COMPETITIVE. THEY NEED TO BE COMPENSATED. BUT AND THIS IS NOT NOT YOU, BUT WHEN I FIND CONCERNING IS THERE GOING FROM $260 TO $300 AN HOUR FOR THE PRINCIPAL. AND THAT'S A 15% INCREASE FOR THE ASSOCIATE STAFF . IT'S $200 TO 260. THAT'S ABOUT A 30% INCREASE FROM 185 FOR THE PARALEGALS. THE 200. THAT'S ABOUT 8% SO WE'RE OFFERING A LAW FIRM. THESE PERCENTAGES 1538, BUT WE'RE ONLY OFFERING OUR EMPLOYEES AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THE HARFORD COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS 5. SO THE ATTORNEYS ARE GETTING MUCH MORE AND WE'RE ONLY OFFERING HARFORD COUNTY EMPLOYEES AND DIFFERENT ASPECTS. ENTITIES OF 5% SO I KNOW I DON'T EXPECT AN ANSWER. I APOLOGIZE TO THROW IT ON YOU, BUT I JUST WANTED TO AT LEAST MAKE A NOTE. THANK YOU. BUT I THINK, UM, I THINK TOO IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVEN'T ADDED AN INCREASED SENSE 1514 OR 15.

ANYONE ELSE? MR BENNETT? COULD YOU SPEAK TO LIKE HOW MANY TOTAL BILLABLE HOURS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IN A YEAR WITH THE OUTSIDE COUNSEL LIKE WHAT? IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PAST YEAR. IF YOU HAVE THAT I DO SO IN, UM, FISCAL YEAR 23. IT WAS A TOTAL OF 152,506. OKAY SO FAR IN FISCAL YEAR, 24 WE THEIR BILLING HOURS TOTALLED 94,006 62. AND SO , UM DO YOU ALL HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT THIS RATE INCREASE WOULD COST OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR. THEY GET 10 TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. IT SOUNDS LIKE NOT I DON'T THINK SO. I MEAN, WE IT'S LIKE, I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH WORK WE ACTUALLY HOW MANY PRESERVATION DEALS WE DO. I MEAN, I THINK WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE BAND, UM, PROCESS SO THAT PART OF IT IS DONE, AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY YOU SEE THIS LARGE NUMBER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE JUST WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. UM SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER IN TERMS OF A DOLLAR AMOUNT. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. AND, UM IN GETTING TO THIS NUMBER FOR THE RATE INCREASE WAS THEIR NEGOTIATION THAT TOOK PLACE WAS THIS. THE INITIAL

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MR CARNEY. DIDN'T WE JUST ADJUST OUR, UM OUTSIDE COUNSEL WITH BOARD OF APPEALS OR PEOPLE'S COUNCIL. IN FACT, WE GENERALLY TRY TO A LITTLE BIT EVERY YEAR, SO WE'RE NOT FACED WITH MOST TO BE A HUGE RACE, WHICH ACTUALLY IS A HUGE RACE IF YOU FACTOR THAT IT'S BEEN WHAT 10 YEARS? YES. MR JAN JANET. WHAT THE? WHAT THE HECK WAS I GOING TO ASK YOU NOW? I DON'T KNOW. MR. GUTHRIE GOING UP REAL QUICK. CAN YOU TAKE OVER? UM HOW'S THIS COMPARED WITH DONALD TRUMP'S RATES? I TAKE THAT BACK. I WITHDRAW THE QUESTION. THANK YOU, UM. ARE WE DONE? MR JANITOR, DANA. WHAT MAN? WHAT THE HECK WAS THEY'RE GOING TO ASK. I DON'T HAVE AN HOURLY RATE. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO ASK, UH, TELL THE GOOD OLD IN IT, UM SO AGAIN. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S TIMELY. SO IF THE, UM IF IT'S PLEASING TO THE COUNCIL. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE IT TONIGHT SO I WOULD ASK FOR EMOTION. COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE HOURLY RATE CHANGE REQUESTS FROM MILES AND STOCKBRIDGE. PC THANK YOU MAY HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU, MR RILEY. IT'S BEEN MOVING A SECOND TO APPROVE THE HOURLY RATE CHANGE FOR MILES AND STOCKBRIDGE . IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MS. DICKSON MR. PRESIDENT MR THREE. MR PENMAN, GIORDANO RILEY SADDLES, MR BENNETT I SEVEN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE ZERO IN THE NEGATIVE REQUEST FOR THE HOURLY RATE CHANGE FOR MILES AND STOCKBRIDGE. IS HEREBY APPROVED.

[17. COMMENTS AND INPUT FROM ATTENDING CITIZENS]

GOOD EVENING. UM I'M JENNY CANEDO. I LIVE AT 305 DUFFY COURT IN FOREST HILL. UM THANK YOU, PRESIDENT VINCENTI FOR CLEARING UP THE MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN MS DIXON AND I, UM I HAD INITIALLY WAS HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING NOT TO BE SPOKEN ABOUT, BUT SO I'LL SPEAK IN MORE GENERAL KIND OF ADJACENT ISSUES. UM I RESPECT THAT, UM, WHETHER. THOSE OF YOU UP THERE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT? IT SEEMS TO ME THIS COUNCIL HAS LOST SOME OF THE TRUST OF MANY OF AVERAGE HARFORD COUNTY CITIZENS. IT SEEMS LIKE THE PREEMINENT AGENDA FOR SOME IS BILL BILL BILL. MORE PEOPLE, MORE PEOPLE SPEND MORE MONEY. UM AND IT'S CONCERNING AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL REALLY NEEDS TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT. AH! I ALSO WITNESSED SOME MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL COVERTLY AND OVERTLY DISPARAGING ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. NEW COUNTY EXECUTIVE CASTLE LEE, WHICH I FIND ABSOLUTELY ASTONISHING ON THE HILL. ON THE HEELS OF OUR NEGLIGENT INEFFECTIVE. PREDECESSOR UM, COUNCILMAN PENMAN, YOU'RE CALLING OF COUNTY EXECUTIVE CASTLE LEAKING CASSILLY. WAS OFFENSIVE, IMMATURE AND QUITE FRANKLY, UNBECOMING OF SOMEONE WHO WAS IN THE U. S. MARINE CORPS. I TRY NOT TO GIVE RUMORS CREDENCE WITHOUT EVIDENCE, HOWEVER, IT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO REFUTE ALLEGATIONS THAT COUNCILMAN PENMAN AND COUNCILMAN BOIL. STARTLES OPEN SEEING YOUR NAME, RIGHT? UM THAT THEY DON'T

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OH, OKAY. SORRY, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE AFTER THIS MEETING, I'D LIKE MR PEMON TO KIND OF ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THERE ARE NUMEROUS SPEAKERS, MR PRESIDENT. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MA'AM. KIDDING. HE'S NOT TALKING.

DO YOU HAVE HER OWNER? MAN? OKAY. WHERE WE AT? OH, SO IF YOU EMAILED AFTER FOUR O'CLOCK AND I'M SORRY, IMPRESSION THAT KIND OF CLICK HERE. NOTHING ABOUT IT.

OKAY I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. I JUST I JUST WANT TO TRY TO FOLLOW PROCEDURE. WE GOOD THEN MILO. I DO NOT SEE. I SEE THE ONE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. WAS IT IN THE SAME EMAIL? MISS CANNON. OH, COME ON UP. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. YES, MA'AM. I DO APPRECIATE THAT. UM I NEED TO SAY MY NAME AND ADDRESS AGAIN. YES, MA'AM. KATIE GAETANO 2320. FRANKLIN'S CHANCE.

COURT PFOSTEN, MARYLAND 2 10 47. HELLO AGAIN COUNCIL LONG TIME. UM I JUST WANT TO SAY PEOPLE OF HARFORD COUNTY. I REALLY WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION. I MEAN THIS SORRY THAT WAS LET'S SAY THIS, UH COUNTY COUNCIL. YES. I DON'T NECESSARILY CARE IF PEOPLE ARE, UM, A DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN PARTY AFFILIATIONS SHOULD NOT MATTER AS MUCH AS THEY DO ON THE EXTERIOR. PEOPLE DO THINK ABOUT WHO YOU HAVE VOTED FOR. ARE THEY LIVING UP TO WHAT THEY PROMISED? ARE THEY HELPING YOU AND YOUR TOWN? PERSONALLY, I'M AN INDEPENDENT. I TRY MY VERY BEST TO BE OBJECTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO BOTH SUPPORTING AND VOTING FOR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES. UM UP TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I FEEL AS THOUGH WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK. AND FORGET DEMOCRAT VERSUS REPUBLICAN AND AGAIN THINK ABOUT THE PERSON WHO IS HERE. SHE WHAT DO THEY BELIEVE IN? WHAT DID THEY STAND FOR? DO YOUR MORALS ALIGN? FORGET THE PARTY LINES.

RECENTLY I HAVE BEEN ASSISTING WITH SOMETHING CALLED THE PATRIOT PROGRAM AT MY CHILDREN'S ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THAT WE CAN VOLUNTEER AGAIN . UM AFTER THE PANDEMIC, IT'S REALLY ENJOY IT. UM ANYWAY, UH, THE IDEA IS TO HELP CHILDREN LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR COUNTRY, OUR STATE, OUR GOVERNMENT. AND WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A GOOD CITIZEN AND PATRIOT. I LOOK AT

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[16. BUSINESS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS ]

WHICH MEANS IT IS BLACK HISTORY MONTH. UM I TRY EVERY DAY TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING NEW TO LEARN AND TO READ ABOUT, AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO DO THE SAME AND TO TAKE TIME TO LEARN AND REFLECT THROUGHOUT THE MONTH. UM ABOUT OUR BLACK HISTORY. UM I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT AS OF 7 A.M. THIS MORNING, HARTFORD MEMORIAL HOSPITAL AND HAVING TO GREECE IS CLOSED. I KNOW PERSONALLY AS A RESIDENT OF HAVING DEGREES THAT IS IN WALKING DISTANCE. APART FROM MEMORIAL. IT'S A HUGE LOSS TO THE COMMUNITY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSED A LOT OF STRESS AND HEARTACHE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. TODAY'S THE DAY.

UM I DID GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR THE NEW UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND UPPER CHESAPEAKE ABERDEEN MEDICAL CENTER. UM AND IT AND IT IS A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY AND IT'S BRAND NEW. UM BUT TO LOSE HARTFORD MEMORIAL IN WALKING DISTANCE OF SO MANY IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A LOSS, AND I, UH, I DO THINK LONG TERM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT MM SUSTAINABILITY AND OUR MEDICAL SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SET UP FOR THE FUTURE. UM BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IT'S IMPORTANT. EVERYBODY JUST HAS THAT NEWS THAT HEART MEMORIAL HOSPITAL IS CLOSED. AS OF TODAY, UM, CONTINUING WITH BUDGET ADVOCACY AS WE ENTER BUDGET SEASON I'VE MET WITH THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND SHARE MY BUDGETARY PRIORITIES AND ATTENDED, UM, THE BUDGET TOWN HALL TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAD TO SAY. UM AS THE BOARD OF ED LIAISON. I CONTINUE TO LISTEN INTO WHAT THEIR CONVERSATION LOOKS LIKE. I'M ALSO PAYING ATTENTION TO, UH , COUNTIES ACROSS THE STATE LOOKING AT CECIL COUNTY, HOWARD COUNTY, EVERY COUNTY. YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. WHAT ARE THOSE TREND LINES AS WE PREPARE FOR THE BUDGET? UM I CONTINUE TO SUPPORT YOUTH ACTIVITIES ACROSS THE DISTRICT. I ATTENDED THE FIRST LEGO ROBOTICS CHALLENGE THAT WAS RESCHEDULED AND MOVED TO JOPPATOWNE ELEMENTARY, BUT IT WAS REALLY FUN TO BE THERE AND SPEAK FOR THE KIDS AS THEY PARTICIPATED IN THE ACTIVITY. I ATTENDED THE LANGSTON HUGHES YOUTH OR RHETORICAL CONTEST. I HAVE DEGREES IN THE OPERA HOUSE. WHICH WAS A REALLY GREAT EVENT. UM EVERY YEAR, SO IMPRESSIVE TO ME TO HEAR THE CHILDREN SPEAK TO MEMORIZE THE SPEECH AND TO PRESENT IT ON TO THE THEME OF A DIFFERENT LINKS TO HUGHES POEM EVERY YEAR. UM I ALSO GOT TO SPEAK TO THE STUDENTS AT THE Y YOUTH AND GOVERNMENT PROGRAM AT THE Y WARD. UM, THAT WAS UH, REALLY SPECIAL EXPERIENCE. THANK YOU, UM, TO UH, PAUL FOR INVITING ME. IT WAS A REALLY GREAT EVENT. UM INTENDED HARTFORD NIGHT IN ANNAPOLIS AND GOT TO MEET WITH MANY PEOPLE, UH , WHO ARE IN ANNAPOLIS RIGHT NOW AND HEAR ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND GET CONNECTED. UM I THINK ALMOST ALL OF US WERE THERE AND IT WAS A GOOD EVENT. UM AND ALSO RIGHT NOW, MY OFFICE IS WORKING ON THREE DIFFERENT PIECES OF LEGISLATION AND ONE RESOLUTION. UH ONE PIECE OF LEGISLATION AND ONE RESOLUTION WILL HOPEFULLY BE INTRODUCED NEXT WEEK. BEYOND THAT, THERE'S SOME OTHER PIECES THAT MIGHT BE, UM MELTED INTO SOME LEGISLATION COMING FROM THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE BUT JUST WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THINGS RANGING FROM VEHICLE HEIGHT MONITORING SYSTEMS TO REFORESTATION TO THE DEMOLITION OF VACANT AND UNSAFE BUILDINGS. UM AND MUCH AND SUPPORTING THE POSSIBILITY OF A HORSE TRAINING FACILITY COMING TO PERRIMAN'S SO THERE'S A LOT TO WORK ON RIGHT NOW. WE'RE ALSO

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EVERYBODY'S INPUT. SO PLEASE KEEP IT COMING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR RILEY. MR DANIEL DENNETT PASS. THANK YOU. MR JANE TURNED OUT TO MR PENMAN. WRITE THIS DATE DOWN WHEN YOU PASSED WAR RIGHT THERE, RIGHT AND UNDER FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU, MR PRESIDENT, JANINE. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS REGARDING THE BOOK REVIEW WORK GROUP. I THINK YOU SENT ME A MESSAGE. I'M NOT SURE I THINK I MIGHT HAVE NOT RESPONDED BACK TO YOU, BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE WORKGROUP DILIGENTLY. UM SINCE THE ONSET SINCE IT WAS DISCUSSED IN ANNOUNCED. EACH MONTH. EACH MONTH. WE HAVE A WORKING DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT NEED TO BE APPLIED TO A PROCEDURE THAT WILL BE IN EFFECT FOR THE HARBOR COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL LIBRARIES. UM THERE'S A LOT OF LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS. THERE'S A LOT OF RIGHT TO READ CONSIDERATIONS THERE. YOU KNOW THERE'S ASPECTS OF THE MATRIX.

WE'RE TRYING TO APPLY. SO EACH AND EVERY MONTH WE ARE HAVING A LONG, DILIGENT MEETING WITH THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS, THIS DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE LIBRARY COMMUNITY, THE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE COMMUNITY GROUPS, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION. UM SO I'M HOPEFUL WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORKABLE PRODUCT THAT'S GOING TO BE RELEASED IN THE COMING MONTHS. BUT WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. UM THE NEXT THING I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON, UM, IS ANNAPOLIS AND MAKO. UM SO EVERY WEDNESDAY, UM WE MAKE OUR REPRESENTATIVES MYSELF IN COUNCILMAN RILEY, UH, ATTEND SESSIONS FOR LEGISLATIVE INITIATIVES, SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH WHAT THEY MAY GO HAS IDENTIFIED AS THEIR PRIORITIES. UM THIS COMING SESSION ONE IS LAUNCHED FORWARD THINKING FIREFIGHTERS IN E. M S INCENTIVES. THE OTHER ONE IS PROVIDE TRANSPARENCY AND EDUCATION SPENDING. THE NEXT ONE IS MODERNIZED LOCAL REVENUE STRUCTURES AND ADVANCED COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING SOLUTION NOW AND WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT'S TAKING PLACE ACROSS THE STATE. THAT IS THE GOVERNOR'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, AND SOME OF THE LEGISLATION WAS MENTIONED AS FAR AS SENATE BILL FOR 84, AND THERE'S REALLY A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS THAT ARE CARTER CONCERNING FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UM SO THE SUMMATION OF THE LEGISLATION THAT ARE BEING OFFERED BY THE GOVERNOR UH HUH. AND THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH? UM I'M GOING TO READ A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS AND BASICALLY APPLIES TO THE DENSITY BONUSES, SO THE BILLS PROVIDE DENSITY BONUSES UNDER THREE CIRCUMSTANCES. THREE SCENARIOS, ONE THERE WITHIN ONE MILE OF A RAIL STATION AND WILL CONTAIN AT LEAST 25 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS 25% AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. THE SECOND ON HISTORIC STATE OWNED CAMPUSES OR COMPLEXES THAT WAS BUILT AT LEAST 50 YEARS AGO AND WILL CONTAIN AT LEAST 50% AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS OR IF A PROJECT IS OWNED BY 0501 C THREE ORGANIZATION AND WILL CONTAIN AT LEAST 50% AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, SO UH UM, THERE IS AN ASPECT OF THE AP FO EXEMPTION THAT IF THE STATE FEELS THAT THE AP FO RESTRICTIONS IN A CERTAIN JURISDICTION OR UNREASONABLE, UM

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THEY ARE GOING TO SUPPORT WITH AMENDMENTS, SO I'M HOPING THAT THEY CAN BE EFFECTIVE WITH THOSE AMENDMENTS. NOW I'VE TALKED TO THE MAKO STAFF OF FAR AS WHAT WOULD APPLY FOR HERE IN HARTFORD COUNTY. THERE IS NO UH, RAIL STATION THAT WOULD APPLY THAT CONTAINS 25% AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN HARFORD COUNTY. UM THERE IS NO HISTORIC OWNED CAMPUS COMPLEX . THAT'S 50 YEARS OLD THAT CONTAINS 50% AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I DID ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE 501 C THREE ORGANIZATIONS. UM THEY MAKER WASN'T SURE THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO COMPILE THAT DATA. SO AS UPDATES, COME, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THAT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. UM AND IF YOU HAVE ANY FILE QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME AND I CAN ADDRESS IT WITH MEIKO. UM THE NEXT THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE OPIOID RESTORATION FUND AS A MEMBER OF THE MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION ADVISORY BOARD. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HARFORD COUNTY HAS BEEN AWARDED $9 MILLION OVER A YEAR AGO TO BE UTILIZED TO COMBAT THE DRUG ADDICTION AND OVERDOSE EPIDEMIC. WELL I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS UTILIZED THESE FUNDS TO HIRE JOE RYAN, WHO WAS A FANTASTIC, PERFECT PERSON AND A PERFECT FIT FOR THIS JOB. I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT ELSE THESE FUNDS ARE BEING USED FOR. BASED ON THE READING LEGISLATION AND MANDATES THE MONEY COULD GO TOWARDS HELPING PAY FOR HEROIN COORDINATOR OR THE DRUG TREATMENT PROGRAM WAS AT THE JAIL. THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY. I KNOW WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE HOTEL TAX, AND THAT IS IMPORTANT. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. UM BUT THIS IS $9 MILLION THAT COULD BE SPENT IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, MR PRESIDENT THAT WE ASKED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION TO HAVE A PRESENTATION TO FIND OUT WHAT THIS MONEY IS GOING TO BE EARMARKED FOR AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE USED. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO PUSH THAT GOING FORWARD. UM LASTLY, ON KIND OF A SOMBER NOTE. IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION. THERE IS AN ONGOING ISSUE CONCERNING THE MOBILE COMMAND BUNCH, WHICH WAS PURCHASED AND APPROVED UNDER THE GLASSMAN ADMINISTRATION. THE NEW COMMAND BUS WAS PURCHASED TO REPLACE THE OUTDATED COMMAND BUS TO HARVARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS UTILIZING COUNTIES, DAVID CASTELLI HAS REQUESTED A NEW COMMAND MUST BE GOVERNED AND ACCORDANCE WITH MOU BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THE COUNTY ON THE SURFACE. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, HAVING THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE THE COMMAND BUS AND THOSE VERY RARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THERE WERE NEEDED, BUT THE HARVARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WILL BE UTILIZED IN THIS COMMAND BUS 95% OF THE TIME, IF NOT MORE. MORE CONCERNING ARE THE ONLY REASONABLE AND OVERREACHING REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUGGESTED MOU AND I'LL READ JUST A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THAT MOU REQUEST TO USE THE COMMAND BUS SHALL BE SUBMITTED THROUGH THE COUNTY AND IF THERE'S A SCHEDULE CONFLICT, THE COUNTY WILL DETERMINE WHICH NEED IS GREATER. THE COUNTY MAY ALLOW OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND THIRD PARTIES TO UTILIZE THE COMMAND BUS. THE MOBILE COMMAND BUS SHALL BE STORED AT A LOCATION DEEMED APPROPRIATE BY THE COUNTY AT THE COUNTY SOLD DIRECTION AND IF THE COUNTY AGREES TO LOCATE THE COMMAND BUS AT THE HARFORD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACILITY, THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE IN THE DIRECTORS WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE HARFORD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACILITY. THIS STIPULATION IS CONCERNING TO ME AND ALSO TO THE SHERIFF WHO ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERN. AS WE ALL KNOW. THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND MEMBERS OF HIS MINISTRATIONS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION FOR MISCONDUCT, WHICH IS THE REASON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WILL NOT AUTHORIZE THEM TO ENTER SECURED AREAS OF THE HARFORD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FACILITY AND A LETTER FROM THE SHERIFF TO THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE THE SHERIFF ROPE AS FAR AS HE IS AWARE OF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE REMAINS UNDER CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BY THE OFFICE STATE PROSECUTOR BY THE NATURE OF THE STATE PROSECUTOR'S INVESTIGATION. THEY ARE SECRETIVE AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE WILL BE THE ONLY PERSON THAT WOULD KNOW IF HE HAS BEEN CLEARED, THE SHERIFF WROTE.

SHOULD THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE BE MADE AWARE THAT HE'S BEEN CLEARED? THE SHERIFF WOULD RETURN ACCESS TO HIM AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION TO THE FACILITIES. WITH ALL THAT SAID. MY MAIN CONCERN IS THIS IS AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE UTILIZED DURING CRITICAL INCIDENTS AND SHOULDN'T BE USED AS A PAWN. THIS IS NOT A PLAY VEHICLE. THIS IS NOT A CAMPAIGN TOOL. IT'S A REAL LIFE SAVING RESOURCE AND SHOULDN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF BUREAUCRACY AND POWER. GRAB STIPULATIONS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR. PRESIDENT THANK YOU, MR GUTHRIE. MR PRESIDENT, UH, FIRST I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE LADIES ON ON JANUARY, 27TH WAS

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THEN YOU GOT OUT OF POINT YACHT CLUB, WHICH IS ANOTHER 5060 VOTES IN THAT YARD CLUB. THEN YOU GOT LOW AND BAR HARBOR MARINA UP THERE, WHICH A WHOLE SLEW OF BOATS THERE SO UM, THEY'RE USED TO HAVING THAT BRIDGE OPEN. THEY'VE GOT TO GET IT HIGH ENOUGH BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF BOATS HAVE GOT GOT LARGE BRIDGES ON THEM OR SAILBOATS. AND WHEN YOU OPEN THE BRIDGE, IT'S ANYHOW YOU CAN GET THROUGH THERE. WHAT WOULD ONLY DOING IT? 3 FT. THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF THE BOATS THAT CAN'T MAKE IT, SO THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IT. HOW HOW HIGH THEY GOT A RAISE THIS BRIDGE. WE THINK THEY GOT TO RAISE THE 1012 FT. UM TO MAKE UP FOR THE DIFFERENCE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO OPEN IT SO AND WE GOT THE SAME PROBLEM IN IN JOPPATOWNE. THEY WEREN'T GONNA OPEN. THEY WEREN'T GONNA RAISE THE BRIDGE THERE AND THEN SO I'VE GOT AN ARGUMENT WITH HIM WHEREVER THAT'S WAIT A MINUTE. HOW COME YOU'RE GONNA RAISE THE BUSH RIVER BRIDGE? BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE THE GUN POWDER RIVER BRIDGE WHEN THEY'RE NOT THAT FAR APART. I MEAN, TRAIN COMES ACROSS. IT AIN'T THAT LONG BEFORE IT'S VERY SHORT DISTANCE TO GET TO THE NEXT BRIDGE, SO WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. WE'VE GOT BOTH SENATORS CHRIS VAN HOLLEN AND BEN CARDEN MET WITH BOTH OF THEM. I I'VE GOTTA I'VE GOTTA, UM COMPUTER MEETING WITH BEN CORDEN. THIS THIS COMING WEEK AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET A PULSE ON HOW WE CAN GET THIS AND IT WE'RE IN THE EARLY STAGES. SO THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE CAN GET THEM AND

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BRIDGES ARE 125 YEARS OLD. SO WE KNOW WE KNOW THERE'S NOBODY LIVING ON EARTH WHEN THEY REBUILD THE NEW ONES AFTER THIS, NO IF IT'S ANOTHER 125 YEARS OF WORLD GOING TO BE DEAD, SO THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET THIS DONE AND HELP THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT CAN IT CAN REALLY HURT. IT COULD REALLY HURT THE VOTERS AND NOT TO MENTION THAT THE HOMES IN THE AREA WHICH IS ANOTHER PROBLEM IN JOPPATOWNE, BECAUSE EVERY TIME I GET ONE PROBLEM SOLVING, I GOT TWO MORE.

WELL YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GOT THE PROBLEM SOLVED WITH THE, UM UH, THAT THE LAND SALVO AND VICKERS FAMILY'S LAND THAT WE JUST PURCHASED 129 ANCHORS. I'M GOING DOWN IN A MINUTE, BUT, UM, THEY SETTLED THAT THEY JUST SIGNED THAT CONTRACT FOR THAT THIS PAST WEDNESDAY THURSDAY, SO WE GET THAT THAT'S A GREAT THING. I'M TELLING EVERYBODY ABOUT ALL THESE ANCHORS. WE WORK ON THIS FOR EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS, TAKING A PHONE CALL FROM FROM THE GENERAL MANAGER AT THE MARINA AND JOPPATOWNE OASIS MARINA AND WHO ACTUALLY OWNED BY MARINE MAX AND RE. MAX TOLD HIM SHUT IT DOWN. MAY 1 JUST SHUT IT DOWN. TO ALL THE BOATERS THERE TO GET THE HELP GET THEIR BOATS TO HELL OUT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S PROBABLY 100 BOATS THERE AT LEAST ON THE LAND RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE ALL PULLED. AND SO I GOT A WHOLE GOVERNMENT OPPONENTS BEEN ALL DAY ON THE PHONE TRYING TO GET HOLD OF SOMEBODY GOTTA HOLD THE GUY DOWN IN THE IN THE MARINE MAX IN FLORIDA. THEY GOTTA HANDLES ALL THE REAL ESTATE FORM AND, UH, I'M WORKING WITH HIM BECAUSE HE'S THERE.

THERE ARE SOME SELLING THEM. SO YOU KNOW ANYBODY LIKE LIKE UM BERNSTEIN OR THE GUYS BUT WITH THE SAME BUT THE ORIOLES AND WANT TO SPEND SOME MONEY AND WE NEED SOMEBODY'S GOT A FEW MILLION DOLLARS SO WE CAN PICK UP THE SOMEBODY CAN BUY THAT AND KEEP IT OPEN. UM OH, NO. OH NO.

SATURDAY AT 10 AM WE DEDICATED A MEMORIAL BENCH AT, UH, MARYLAND POINT PARK. UM AH, LADY THERE, UM MARTY, ONE HER HER HUSBAND WAS MURDERED OF ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO. AND HER HUSBAND WAS WAS DELIVERING FOOD FROM THE CHINESE RESTAURANT THERE IN JOPPATOWNE. AND I MEAN HE'S DOING TWO JOBS TRYING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF BUCKS, YOU KNOW, FEED THE FAMILY. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY YOU COULD HAVE ON IT MEANS TO LEARN CHINESE FOOD FROM CHINESE RESTAURANT HE WENT TO EDGEWOOD TO DELIVER IT AND WHEN HE WAS THERE, AND HE GOT OUT TO DELIVER THE FOOD, HE GOT JUMPED BY THREE. THREE GUYS THAT BEAT HIM UP AND KILLED HIM. AND UH SO WHAT? WE DID, UH, THEY WANTED US TO DEDICATE A MEMORIAL BENCH TO OUR HUSBAND, WHICH WE DID. AND SO I'M AMERICAN IMPORTANT PART.

IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END, THERE'S A BENCH DOWN THERE TO VARY IN, UM WHERE WHERE YOU CAN REALLY GET A VIEW OUT THE WATER AND. OH PUT A BIG PLAQUE PLAQUE BY THE COUNTY, SO I APPRECIATE PARKS AND RECORD DOING THAT FORCE. UM SO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THERE CAME ACCOUNT EXECUTIVE CAME TO HONOR TO THE PEOPLE ARE THE LITTLE BOY WAS THERE. HE'S NOW 10. HE WAS FIVE WHEN HIS FATHER WAS KILLED, SO UM, DON'T ASK ME WHAT SOMEBODY WHAT'S COMING TO AROUND HERE, BUT IT'S TERRIBLE ANYWAY, UM, AND WE'RE DEFINITION LIGHTER NOTE. AH WANT TO THANK THAT THE GOVERNMENT COUNTY EXECUTIVE IN HIS GOVERNMENT ALONG WITH THE HARVARD LAND TRUST, UM THEY JUST BOUGHT THIS 129 ACRES THAT WAS FORMALLY SALVO AND, UM, VICKERS FAMILY AH, NOW KNOWN AS FOURTH FORCED TO BRING PARK SALVO COMPANY WAS GOING TO, UM, BUILD HOUSES ON EARTH 265 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND IT'S LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE ORIGINALLY RESERVE. SO WE, UH AND KEEP THIS QUIET FOR NINE MONTHS KILLED ME BECAUSE I KNOW I WAS WORKING BACK AND FORTH AND MANAGEMENT TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO WERE NEGOTIATING IT AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THE DEAL DONE, AND IT DIDN'T. IN FACT THEY SIGNED THE CONTRACT LAST WEDNESDAY. UH SO WE NOW OWN THAT 120 ACRES GOING TO BE TURNED INTO A PARK JOPPATOWNE PORK AND I THINK WHAT HAPPENED ORIGINALLY RESERVED I THINK WHEN THEY SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING REGULARLY, AND THEY WERE TALKING TO ORIGINALLY RESERVED THE CONTRACTOR THERE ABOUT BUILDING THEIR 265 HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT A TERRIBLE SITUATION IF THAT WOULD HAVE CAME UP, SO I THINK BASICALLY THEY SAW THAT AND HE

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[15. BUSINESS FROM THE PRESIDENT]

JUST A FANTASTIC GENTLEMEN, ALWAYS WITH A SMILE, ALWAYS WILLING TO HELP IN THE COMMUNITY WHEREVER HE COULD, SO HE IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO BE MISSED AND I WANT TO ASK YOU TO REMEMBER HIS FAMILY AND FRIENDS AND YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS. BUT FINALLY, I DO WANT TO THANK JEANNIE BECAUSE JEANNIE HAS TOLERATED A LOT IN THE LAST 2.5 WEEKS BECAUSE WOULD BE MARRIED ALMOST 49 YEARS, BUT IN THE LAST 2.5 WEEKS WITH THIS SHOULDER. I DON'T THINK I'VE SAT STILL ANYWHERE FOR OVER AN HOUR. I HAD TO GET UP ALL THROUGH THE NIGHT AND EVERY TIME I GOT UP, OBVIOUSLY I WORK HER UP. BUT I WANT TO THANK HER FOR HER FOR HER CARE. AND FOR ALL SHE DOES AT HOME, LIKE I SAID, ALL THE TIME AND IN OUR IN OUR BUSINESS, AND I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF HERE FOR HELPING ME TO OPEN DOORS AND WHATEVER ELSE NEEDS TO BE DONE SO UM, THANK YOU ALL.

AND WITH THIS, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN THIS MEETING. THANK

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.