Mar 19, 2024 County Council

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WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. MM. GOOD EVENING. CHAIR CALLS ORDER PUBLIC HEARING FOR BILL 24-007

[a. Bill 24-007 (Comprehensive Zoning Review Process)]

UH, IN MY OPINION AT THIS TIME, I'M CERTAINLY WE'VE DONE IT A LITTLE BIT QUICKER THAN THAT IN THE PAST. BUT GIVEN WHERE HARTFORD COUNTY IS AT AND ITS MAJORITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. WITH THE LACK OF AVAILABLE DEVELOPABLE LAND LEFT.

WE ARE TURNING INTO A DIFFERENT COUNTY AS FAR AS THE MATURITY FROM A COUNTY THAT'S GROWING TO A COUNTY THAT IS REALIZING THE MATURITY OF ITS DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE, AND WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY NEW LAND. TO DEVELOP, SO WE'RE REALLY TURNING TO A REDEVELOPMENT TYPE OF FUTURE IN HARTFORD COUNTY. AND THE OTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT, TOO WITH THE MASTER PLAN IS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT GOOD FOR ME TO SAY AS A PLANNER, UH, I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF MASTER PLANS IN THE SENSE THAT THEY TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME. TO COMPLETE. THEY DO NOT MANDATE ANYTHING UPON THE COUNCIL. ANYTHING UPON THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO? IT'S ALL SORT OF HIGH IN THE SKY STUFF AND WITH THE HARFORD COUNTY MASTER PLAN RIGHT NOW. OR THROUGHOUT ITS HISTORY, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THAT DOCUMENT TO ME AND TO THE COUNCIL IS THE LAND USE PLAN AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE LAND USE MAP. THE LAND USE MAP ITSELF IS A HIGHER LEVEL OF ZONING. IT DOESN'T GO INTO SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT HAS A SPEC SPECIFIC CATEGORIES OF INDUSTRIAL EMPLOYMENT. AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN OUR ZONING DISTRICTS FIT WITHIN THOSE CATEGORIES. AT THIS TIME, THE CASTLE ADMINISTRATION HAS NO

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IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T GET BACK TO US. TYPICALLY, WE DON'T WE HAD THAT SITUATION. DOWN IN BOX HILL. DURING THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE RESIGNING RIGHT PAST THE GROCERY STORE BEFORE YOU GET TO, UM, WOODDALE ROAD, BUT BEFORE YOU GET TO WAGMANS, I FORGET IT'S A GIANT. I BELIEVE THERE WERE LIKE THREE OR FOUR PARCELS THERE THAT WERE ALL SURROUNDED BY B. THREE AND THEY WERE DESIGNED LIKE R ONE, AND I THINK IT WAS. I THINK IT WAS FOUR PARCELS AND THREE OF THEM GOT BACK TO US AND SAID SURE IF YOU WANNA AS FOR THE REASONING ON OUR BEHALF, WE ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT. SO I THINK THERE'S STILL ONE DOWN THERE THAT'S OWNED DARWIN. SO THOSE SIX ARE ONES THAT THE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDED TO GO IN RIGHT, AND THE OTHER INSTANCE IS WHEN WE NEED TO CORRECT AN ERROR. WE DON'T SEE AS MANY ERRORS AS WE DO IN THE PAST, UM WITH GIS TECHNOLOGY THESE DAYS, BUT IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF TO SAY DURING THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE REZONING, LET'S SAY A PROPERTY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ENTIRELY REZONED TO B THREE, AND IT'S SAY TWO ACRES AND, FOR WHATEVER REASON, DO REASON DURING THE UPDATING TO THE ACTUAL MAPS AND THAT GIS FILE LAYER WE ONLY STRUCK AND HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROPERTY, AND THAT WAS A MISTAKE. WE WILL FIX THOSE MISTAKES AND THAT THOSE COULD ALSO BE A DEPARTMENT ISSUE VERY RARE THESE DAYS. SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE MORE APPLICANTS THIS GO AROUND OR LESS? DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT'S JUST THE COMPS EARNING NO MASTER PLAN. NO LAND USE PLAN, I THINK WELL. THE EASIEST ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, I EXPECT A LOT LESS OK, I KEEP JOKING ACROSS THE STREET THAT WE NEED TO START A BETTING POOL TO SEE HOW WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE BUT MY GUESS WOULD BE WE WOULD RECEIVE LESS THAN 100 REQUESTS, BUT NOTHING EVER SURPRISES SURE, COUNCIL MR PEN. HE WAS PRESIDENT. MR GRIMM.

UH, MR RICHARDSON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM I DO HAVE JUST SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE STRATEGY OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. UH, IN HARTFORD COUNTY. UH AND I BELIEVE, UM, THAT YOU KNOW, NOT DOING THE MASTER PLAN, AND JUST GOING FOR COMPREHENSIVE REZONING IS REALLY PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. BECAUSE MANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED IN A MASTER PLAN LIKE HOUSING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE EDUCATION. UH ALL THESE THINGS GO INTO THE DESIGN OF REALLY WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING IS THERE AND WE'VE SAW OVER THE LAST YEAR THAT, UM PIECE MAILING SPOT ZONING HAS OCCURRED TO CHANGE THE IMPACT OF DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS, FOR INSTANCE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERRYMAN PENINSULA, UH, L I WAS CHANGED, UM, TO NOT INCLUDE WAREHOUSING, RIGHT? THAT'S A MAJOR SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE DURING MASTER PLAN, SO I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF CIRCUMVENTING THE SYSTEM. UM SO, WITH ALL THAT SAID, IS THERE A TIMELINE OR A PLAN TO DO? UH THE MASTER PLAN GOING FORWARD, AND I UNDERSTAND THE RESTRAINTS. UH, OF TIMING AT THIS POINT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE 2 TO 3 YEARS TO DO AN ADEQUATE MASTER PLAN REVIEW 100% I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, WAITING FOR THE STATE TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO AND DECIDE FOR OUR COUNTY. I THINK WE CAN ALWAYS ADD OR CHANGE WHAT WE NEED TO. BUT BACK TO MY QUESTION. IS THERE A TIMELINE OR DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN THIS ADMINISTRATION WILL VISIT THE MASTER PLAN? ABSOLUTELY, UH, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU OVER THE NEED FOR THE MASTER PLAN. UH, PRIOR TO COMPREHENSIVE ZONING. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THAT YES. THAT IS THE TYPICAL PROCESS BY WHICH WE MOVE FORWARD. WE DO A MASTER PLAN UPDATE AND THEN COMPREHENSIVE REASONING AGAIN. THERE ARE MANY, MANY FACTORS AND REASONS WHY, BUT SPEAKING TO YOUR POINT ON TIMING. TIMING IS REALLY ONE OF THE OTHER ONES THAT I DID NOT DISCUSS. THAT IS A FACTOR. UM WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS GOING AGAINST THIS THAT GO BACK MANY YEARS. THAT GOT US OUT OF THE CYCLE IN 2005. WE DID A COMPREHENSIVE ZONING. AND THAT WAS BE BY THEN COUNTY EXECUTIVE DAVID CRAIG. AND WE RESTARTED THAT IN 2008. ANOTHER TIMING THING THAT HAS PUT US IN A IN A WEIRD SITUATION IS THAT WE DID A MASTER PLAN UPDATE IN 2012. WHEN THE GLASSMAN ADMINISTRATION CAME IN THEY TWO YEARS LATER DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO ANOTHER MASTER PLAN UPDATE. WHICH WAS EVEN THOUGH I MANAGED THAT THAT PROCESS. UH, IT WAS IT WAS UNWARRANTED. IT WAS NOT NECESSARY. IT WAS A VANITY PROJECT FOR THE UH, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING AT THAT TIME. JUST TO PUT IT BLUNTLY, SO THOSE THINGS KIND OF PUT US OUT OF SEQUENCE MOVING FORWARD AS YOU THEN GO FORWARD TO TODAY. WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE COMING UP AGAINST AN ELECTION AS AS WELL. AND WHEN YOU EXTRAPOLATE OUT THOSE TIME FRAMES IF WE WOULD HAVE STARTED A MASTER PLAN. SAY SUMMER OF LAST YEAR. YOU KNOW THAT THREE

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IT MUST HAPPEN EVERY EIGHT YEARS. YOU'LL SEE MANY OTHER JURISDICTIONS IF YOU GO ONLINE.

MD P'S WEBSITE WILL TELL YOU THERE. TWO YEARS OUT OF DATE FOR DOING THEIR THEIR MASTER PLAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETING FACTORS AND SCHEDULES AND TIME FRAMES, WHETHER IT BE ELECTIONS, WHETHER IT BE THE TIME TIMING FROM WHICH A MASTER PLAN HAS TO GET DONE THAT WE WOULD BE COMING UP AGAINST THE DEADLINE. STATE TO DO THE MASTER PLAN, AND THEN WE'LL BE WE WOULD BE STARTING A COMPREHENSIVE ZONING CYCLE AT THAT SAME TIME OR OR BE IN THE MASTER PLAN CYCLE AT THE SAME TIME AS THE COMP CYCLE. WHICH DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, EITHER. SO IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. TO GET TO THE MEAT OF YOUR QUESTION IS WHAT I ANTICIPATE IS THAT WE HAVE ONE YEAR FROM THE TIME THAT WE ACCEPT OUR FIRST APPLICATION. TO GET THAT BILL OVER TO THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE, THEN WE WILL START A COMPREHENSIVE. I'M SORRY. WE WILL START OUR WORK ON THE MASTER PLAN. AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE WILL TAKE ALL THE TIME THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AND LISTEN TO ALL THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS COUNCIL AND ALSO LOOK, LISTEN TO THE ADMINISTRATION'S POLICIES AND HOW THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, AND WE WILL CRAFT A MASTER PLAN. WHAT I ENVISION HAPPENING IS ONCE WE COMPLETE THAT MASTER PLAN IT IS. CONCEIVABLE THAT WE WILL DO ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE ZONING. AGAIN. BECAUSE WE DO NOT NEED TO WAIT. THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE DO NOT NEED TO WAIT EIGHT YEARS. AND THAT WAS AGAIN IN 2005 COUNTY EXECUTIVE CRAIG VETOED IT. WE DID IT AGAIN IN 2008 AND COMPLETED THAT CYCLE. SO I ENVISION DOING A MASTER PLAN AFTER WE GET DONE THIS COMPREHENSIVE AND THEN IT'S LIKELY THAT WE WILL INITIATE ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE ZONING, DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THAT MASTER PLAN. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ANY LEADER WILL TELL YOU, UH, TO HAVE SUCCESS. YOU NEED CLEARLY DEFINED EXPECTATIONS, AND THOSE EXPECTATIONS I THINK WILL BE DEFINED IN THE MASTER PLAN. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT COMING FORWARD AND THEN FOLLOWING WITH ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE REZONING, BECAUSE REALLY, THIS KIND OF BOILS DOWN TO GROWTH, RIGHT ECONOMIC GROWTH. UH AND BASED OFF OF THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW INDICATIONS, UH, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF WHAT'S TAKEN PLACE IN OUR COUNTY. WE NEED CAREFUL, BALANCED ECONOMIC GROWTH. WE CAN PAY FOR THE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE.

HE CAN PAY FOR THE SCHOOLS. UM SO THAT'S THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT AND YOU ILLUSTRATED IT. EARLIER WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LIMITED CAPACITY OF GROWTH IN OUR DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE, RIGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PRESS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB, UH, OUT OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE EACH OPPORTUNITY. THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TAKE EACH OPPORTUNITY TO FOR SUCCESS FOR THE COUNTY. FOR THEM ON EACH OF THEIR PROPERTIES , SO AND AS THESE REQUESTS COME FORWARD, AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS IS THE SENTIMENT ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTY THAT THIS IS AN ANTI DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS. UH, ADMINISTRATION. UM DO YOU SEE A SENSE OF, UH, WHEN THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS COME OVER TO THE COUNTY COUNCIL THAT A LOT OF THEM WON'T BE RECOMMENDED? JUST BECAUSE WE THEY, YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT GROWTH. I WOULDN'T CHARACTERIZE IT AS THAT. I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS GROWTH THAT THEY BELIEVE. IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL TO THE COUNTY. AND IS THE APPROPRIATE TYPE OF GROWTH AND APPROPRIATE TYPE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO REALLY DRIVE THE COUNTY. WITH RESPECT TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THE MASTER PLAN COMPREHENSIVE ZONING KIND OF ROLLING OUT ALL INTO ONE THING IS WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AS A COUNTY. AS I SAID, BEFORE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LAND LEFT TO BE DEVELOPED. AND THERE'S ALWAYS THAT SPECTER OF ARE YOU ARE WE GOING TO EXPAND THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE? AND CERTAINLY THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. BUT WE ARE SO HEMMED IN IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE ON A MAP, AND THEN YOU PUT IN THOSE SHAPE FILES. THERE'S GIS SHAPE FILES THAT SHOW YOU ALL OF THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESERVED THROUGH AG PRESERVATION AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL EASEMENTS. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF POSSIBILITY ANYWHERE ON THE FRINGES OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO GO AND GRAB A COUPLE 1000 ACRES AND MASTER PLAN THAT AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT. BECAUSE THERE ARE THOSE FACTORS SUCH AS THERE'S EASEMENTS AND AGRICULTURAL PRESERVATION PROGRAMS WHERE YOU CAN'T RUN UP. OR LINE THROUGH. YOU CAN'T RUN A

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WHAT SORT OF THINGS LIKE THAT? SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE IN THE FUTURE THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION OR FUTURE ADMINISTRATIONS WOULDN'T CONSIDER EXPANSIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE. BUT THERE IS A THAT ABILITY TO DO THAT IS EXTREMELY LIMITED. AND I AGREE EVERYTHING YOU SAID. I 100% SUPPORT AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH OF THESE REQUESTS TO COME OVER WE CAREFULLY CONSIDER, UH AND REALLY ADVOCATE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LIMITED. UH UH UH, POTENTIAL GROWTH THAT WE HAVE. AND IF I APOLOGIZE? UM, I DID WANNA SAY THE OTHER POINT THAT I WANNA MAKE, TOO. IS THAT FOR MANY, MANY DECADES. WE'VE ALL EVERYBODY'S PUT THEIR EFFORTS INTO TRYING TO SEE AND REALIZE THE REDEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OF THE SOUTHERN COUNTY. AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE SOUTHERN COUNTY TASK FORCE. THAT'S NOT REALLY LOOKING AT ZONING AT THIS TIME. MORE UH, LIFE HEALTH? UH, LIVABILITY TYPE THINGS. BUT WE WANT TO FOCUS AND CASTLE ADMINISTRATION. IT'S FOCUSING THEIR EFFORTS ON ROUTE 40 CORRIDOR AND SEEING MEANINGFUL REDEVELOPMENT AND REINVESTMENT IN THAT AREA, AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS IF WE SAY WOULD EXPAND THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE OR GIVE OUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF NEW COMMERCIALS. OUTINGS THAT REALLY THEN TAKES THE FOCUS OFF OF HEY, WE HAVE ALL OF THIS. PRIME LAND HERE NEAR A MAJOR INTERSTATE WITH GREAT TRANSPORTATION ACCESS THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON. AND MORE THAT YOU DISTRACT FROM THAT THE THAT BANG FOR OUR BUCK THAT WE'RE GONNA GET IN THE SOUTHERN COUNTY, SO THE CASTLE ADMINISTRATION FOCUS IS REALLY ON THAT SOUTHERN COUNTY AREA. TWO MORE SHORT QUESTIONS. UM ONE OPPORTUNITY THAT THE COUNTY HAS THAT I THINK IS MORE OF A HEALTH AND WELFARE ISSUE IS ROUTE 22 AND PERHAPS EXPANDING THE WATER AND SEWER OUT THAT DIRECTION, UH, WITH THE ADMINISTRATION GIVE ANY CONSIDERATION TO THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF EXPANDING IT. SO THESE FAILING SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN THE CHURCHVILLE AREA CAN BE CONSIDERED EVERY ADMINISTRATION. UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, UH, HAS WRESTLED WITH THE QUESTIONS OF SERVING OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND ALSO TAKING CARE OF THOSE ISSUES WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE DEVELOPED AT A TIME WHEN WE ALLOWED WHAT WAS CALLED A PACKAGED WASTEWATER TREATMENT SYSTEM. WE DON'T ALLOW THOSE ANYMORE. UM BECAUSE HO A SHOULDN'T BE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAINTAINING PACKAGE TREATMENT SYSTEMS. SO THE ANSWER IS YES, WE ARE EVALUATING HOW AND WHEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE THOSE COMMUNITIES IN THOSE AREAS TO FIX THOSE PROBLEMS, WITH THE FOCUS, NOT BEING ON EXPANDING DEVELOPMENT OUTLOOK FOR NEW GROWTH, BUT TO FIX THOSE PROBLEMS SO THAT WE CAN GET IT IN THE PRIORITY FUNDING AREA GET IN THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE, BUT THE SECONDARY PART OF THAT IS YOU CAN EXPAND THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE BUT TO ACTUALLY SERVE THOSE PROPERTIES AS A SIGNIFICANT ENGINEERING FEE. AS I THINK MOST ENGINEERS WILL TELL YOU YOU CAN ENGINEER YOUR WAY OUT OF ANYTHING. WE'RE FINDING THE MONEY TO DO. IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING. SO IN ORDER TO SERVE HARFORD COMMUNITY COLLEGE IN THOSE AREAS THAT'S GONNA TAKE SIGNIFICANT PARALLELING OF SORES. THAT ARE NOT OF AN ADEQUATE SIZE NOW OR REBUILDING THE THOSE STORES, SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ENGINEERING CHALLENGE AND EVEN MORE FISCAL CHALLENGE THAT EVEN IF WE EXPAND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT'S YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE WE CAN SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. MR PITMAN BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, JUST FOR THE RECORD. THAT'S BEL AIR, NOT CHURCH BELL. IT IS. YOU'RE RIGHT, SO AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION. UH, I KNOW YOU HAVE A SMALL TEAM. YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB OVER THERE. UH AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT FACING YOU GOING FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, A COPPER ZONING MASTER PLAN AND PERHAPS ANOTHER COMPRE ZONING ON ON THE BACK. BUT D, DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT HAVE THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE YOU KNOW, UH, ABLE TO HANDLE. UH, WHAT'S COMING FORWARD? WELL CERTAINLY WE ARE VERY SHORT STAFFED RIGHT NOW AND PROBABLY HISTORICALLY AT THE LOWEST STAFFING LEVELS IN THE DEPARTMENT SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE , UM, BUT I BELIEVE BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT I THINK WE'LL GET FOR THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS. I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH STAFF. UM THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE STAFF I HAVE ARE VERY YOUNG AND NONE OF THEM HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND ALL HAPPENS EVERY EIGHT YEARS GENERALLY, UM, BUT I'M VERY PLEASED. UH, TONIGHT I HAVE MY CHIEF OF LONG RANGE PLANNING.

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HELLO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. UM I JUST THOUGHT IT'D BE GOOD TO ASK FOR PUBLIC CLARITY. YOU KNOW, WE WON'T BE DOING ANY SPOT ZONING THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. BUT IF WE AS A COUNCIL WANTED TO VISIT, UH, A SPECIFIC ZONING USE OR DEFINITION, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, UH, LOOKING AT L I TO ADDRESS THE NEED TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE ABOUT HORSE TRAINING FACILITIES. IF YOU KNOW WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE STATE TO DESIGNATE OUR COMMUNITY FOR CORE STREAM FACILITY. WE'RE STILL ABLE TO DO THOSE TYPES OF CHANGES THROUGHOUT COMPREHENSIVE REZONING. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO I SHOULD HAVE SAID EARLIER, UM, KIND OF HOW THINGS HIERARCHY OF THINGS. SO AT THE VERY TOP, YOU HAVE THE MASTER PLAN AND THE LAND USE PLAN VERY HIGH LEVEL. AND THEN FROM THERE, YOU HAVE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING AND THEN WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD IS THE ZONING CODE AT THE BOTTOM. THAT'S WHERE EVERYDAY THINGS HAPPEN. AND WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO ARE CHANGES TO THE ACTUAL ZONING CODE TO SAY, HEY, WE WANNA PUT A P IN THE TRUCK TO SAY THIS USE IS PERMITTED, AND WE WANT TO CREATE THIS USE AS A USE THAT CAN BE PERMITTED AND FOR A DEFINITION OF GOOD, SO CERTAINLY THERE IS NOTHING PREVENTING CHANGES TO THE ZONING CODE DURING THIS PROCESS, AND YOU ALL WOULDN'T SEE THAT AS AN UNFRIENDLY PROCESS NECESSARILY TO HAPPEN WHILE COMPREHENSIVE REZONING IS HAPPENING, UM, TO BE LOOKING AT THE ZONING CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE REZONING AT THE SAME TIME. FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? NO, I MEAN, IF WE IF WE'RE TALKING MAJOR MAJOR CHANGES TO THE CODE AT THE SAME TIME, AND THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC. BUT NOW THIS, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE KIND OF A SIMPLE MATTER TO HANDLE. THANK YOU, MR BENNETT. MR CHANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR GRIMM. WELL COUNCILMAN PENMAN ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS, BUT, UM QUESTION. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS I HEAR FROM A LOT OF THE CITIZENS IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW DO WE FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS WE TAKE SOME OF THIS, UH, LAND THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE WHEN WE REDEVELOP IT. UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STATE ROADS THAT WE HAVE, AND THEY SEEMS LIKE THERE'S PERIODS OF TIME WHERE THEY'RE OVERWHELMED. UM YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED WITH TRYING TO GET A TRAFFIC SIGNAL ON MOORES MILL ROAD. A LEFT HAND TURN SIGNAL WHICH THE STATE HAS COME BACK A COUPLE OF TIMES AND SAID, NO, IT'S NOT WARRANTED. BUT HOW DO WE? HOW DO WE FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADE? OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR ROADS? UM HOW DO WE DO THAT BEFORE WE KEEP EXPANDING OUT TO HANDLE HANDLE THIS STUFF? I I KNOW AT ONE POINT AND YEARS AGO WHEN THEY BUILT 24 ORIGINALLY THERE WAS THERE WAS OVERPASSES THAT WERE GONNA SUPPOSED TO BE IN THEY THEY KILLED ALL THAT. NOW WE SEE THE TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND FORTH AND THAT AND I AND I THINK THERE'S AN ISSUE IF THEY BUILD, UH, SOMETHING DOWN A PLUM TREE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE ROAD AND WIDEN IT. UM, BUT ONLY DOWN TO SINGER ROAD. NOT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO PLUMTREE. UM WHERE DO WE STAND ON? THAT? IS THAT HOW DO WE LOOK AT THAT? AND HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT STATE ROADS, THAT'S A YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BALL GAME. AND THIS, MISTER WALLS WILL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW. EVERY YEAR AND THIS TIME OF YEAR, ESPECIALLY WE'RE GOING TO BAT TO TRY TO FIGHT FOR THE STATE DOLLARS TO TRY TO GET OUR PRIORITY PROJECTS FUNDED. AND A LOT OF THOSE BIG PROJECTS, THOSE STATE ROAD PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE REALLY BEHOLDEN TO THE STATE AND TRYING TO CONVINCE THEM AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'LL SAY IS, UH, THAT THE CASTLE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN VERY PROACTIVE WITH MAKING SURE WE REACH OUT TO THE STATE AND WE HAVE REGULAR REGULAR QUARTERLY MEETINGS NOW, WITH SH A BIG MEETINGS, LOTS OF PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND ALSO, UM FORMER M DOT STAFF MEMBER JIM PORTS IS ON OUR TEAM NOW, AND THAT'S I THINK MR ROSS WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT'S REALLY PAID DIVIDENDS AS FAR AS THE CONNECTIONS WE NOW HAVE IN M DOT AND SH A SO FROM THE STATE SIDE. IT'S REALLY A CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GO AFTER A VERY SMALL POT OF MONEY, UH, FOR EVERYONE THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO TRY TO GET OUR PROJECTS FUNDED, AND THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. UM FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE. I OFTEN SAY THAT WE'RE PLANNING IN REVERSE. BECAUSE I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WOULD WOULD PROBABLY AGREE THAT SPECIFICALLY IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES. WE DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB OF THINKING AHEAD BECAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE CONCEPT WAS IN 1977. WHEN WE WHEN WE SAID HEY, WE NEED TO FOCUS GROWTH IN THIS AREA, BUT I DON'T THINK A LOT OF THOUGHT WENT INTO HEY, UM , WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT ROAD INTERSECTIONS, AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING

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UH SO MY EXPERIENCES FROM THE LAST 12 YEARS I WAS I'VE DEALT WITH YOU BUT I. I KNOW ONE THING THAT YOU GOTTA DEAL WITH IT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMPREHENSIVE ZONING AND A MASTER PLAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA COME BACK. EVERYTHING IS TIMING AS WE ALL KNOW, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO DO A MASTER PLAN. HE DID A COMPREHENSION. YOU AIN'T GONNA COME BACK THREE MONTHS AND DO ANOTHER COUNT REZONING YOU, YOU KNOW IT'S FULL, SO I KNOW TIMING. YOU HAVE TO STRETCH THESE THINGS OUT TO MAKE SENSE. UH ALSO, UH, YOU HAVE, UH, UH, I DON'T. I DON'T THINK YOU DO. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY? DO YOU HAVE ANY RIGHT TO TURN DOWN SOMEBODY WHO COMES UP WITH A STUPID PROPOSAL? AND WHAT I MEAN? I REMEMBER, UH ONE THAT CAME IN FROM MY DISTRICT. UH, LAST TIME, UH AND GOD KNOWS WHY THEY WILL TAKE THE KIND OF MONEY WHICH IT COST 808 $100 YOU KNOW TO APPLY AND I REMEMBER ONE ON THE J FARM ROAD IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA IN R ONE THE GUY PUT IN FOR B THREE. WELL YOU KNOW, THAT ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN. THAT'S THE CRAZIEST THING YOU CAN IMAGINE.

AND OF COURSE HE DIDN'T GET IT. SO YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO STRIKE. SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE FOOLISH THAT THEY AIN'T GOT IT. YOU KNOW CHANCE IN HELL OF GETTING PAST. NO WE ADVISE PEOPLE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL REQUEST A MEETING BEFORE THEY DO THEIR APPLICATION AND WE WILL ADVISE SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE THAT. WE SAY, LOOK THERE. THERE'S NO CHANCE THAT WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND IT. YOU CAN TAKE YOUR CHANCES AND WHEN WE SEND IT ACROSS THE COUNCIL BUT I KNOW WE CAN'T SAY NO. YOU CAN'T SUBMIT AN APPLICATION. IN FACT, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE RAISED THE LAST TIME RAISED IT TO $800 TO. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE ORIGINAL COST WAS, BUT WE RAISED IT TO $800 TO TRY TO WEED OUT THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE LIKE, WELL, JUST THROW MY HAT IN THE RING. IT'S ONLY $100 OR WHATEVER IT WAS AT THE TIME. ALSO, THERE'S A UM, NOT THAT THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE FOR THIS, BUT THE LIVABILITY CODE WAS BROUGHT UP. UH, SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO, UH, TAKE A LOOK AT, UH I KNOW WE I KNOW THE LIVEABILITY CODE HASN'T BEEN CHANGED SINCE THE 19 EIGHTIES. AND IT'S REALLY TIME THAT THE COUNTY AND THE COUNCIL TOOK A LOOK AT THIS AND I WAS ON ACCOUNTS BEFORE I INTRODUCED THE BILL FOR THE LITTLE BUILDING CODE, AND IT WENT DOWN BY ONE VOTE. SO IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO, UH, PAY ATTENTION TO HERE.

UM WE ARE AND, UH, THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT THROUGH FARMING INSPECTIONS, LICENSES AND PERMITS. SO THEY ARE CONSIDERING YOU KNOW WHAT IS EXISTING IN ALL THE BOOKS NOW AND LOOKING AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS. LOOKING AT IMPROVING THAT LIVABILITY CODE. AND I'VE I'VE TALKED TO ACCOUNT EXECUTIVE ABOUT THIS, UH, A FEW MONTHS AGO, AND HE'S BEEN INTERESTED IN THAT AND I SEND HIM A COPY OF MY BILL MAINLY BE DISCUSSED AS WE'VE BEEN MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS OTHER COUNTY TASK FORCE. THAT'S A BIG COMPONENT OF THAT. AND I ALSO REMEMBER THAT THE, UH COURSE II.

I WRITTEN TO THE GOVERNOR. I GUESS THEY DON'T WANNA ANSWER MY LETTER BECAUSE I HAVEN'T GOT A REPLY BACK FROM IT YET, BUT I REMEMBER WHEN THE UH UH NAPOLIS MET LAST YEAR. WHEN I CAME BACK, UM THEY SENT US $33,988,000 FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND, UH, THAT WAS GREAT. BUT WHAT WASN'T GREAT WAS, UH, NOT A PENNY OF THAT FOUND ITS WAY TO MY DISTRICT. WHICH IS YOU KNOW WHY? WHY IS THAT STRANGE? UH BUT WHAT I DID HAVE I PUT ENOUGH PRESSURE ON FINALLY I'M GETTING THAT STRETCH

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THANK YOU, MISTER BENNETT. SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS HERE. MR KEARNEY, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? YES WE DO. MR PRESIDENT. WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS. DAVID PETERSON AND JOHN MALAMA. MISTER PETERSON. STANDARD TO MICROPHONE, PLEASE. BEHIND YOU. GOOD EVENING, SIR.

COULD I HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE? MY NAME IS DAVE PETERSON. I LIVE AT 3500 ALDINA ROAD. CHURCHVILLE, MARYLAND. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS JUST AN INTRODUCTION TO THE COMPREHENSIVE REZONING BILL. UH, MY CONCERN IS THE AIRPORT. UH, THE AIRPORT. WANTS TO EXPAND. TO BECOME A FULL SERVICE JET. AIRPORT. WHENEVER THIS COMES UP FOR REZONING, THEY WANT TO REZONE SOME LAND AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY SO THAT THEY CAN BECOME THIS. AH, WHEN THIS COMES UP FOR REZONING ON THEIR PART. YOU ALL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. DO YOU WANT A FULL SERVICE FULL SIZE JET AIRPORT? THERE. AT THE DETRIMENT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO ALL THE NEGATIVES. I'LL JUST GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE. I USED TO LIVE IN SAN BRUNO, CALIFORNIA. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE AIRPORT FOR SAN FRANCISCO IS AT SAN BRUNO ON THE BAY SIDE. WE LIVED UP. TOWARD THE PACIFIC. AND THE, UH, PLANES THAT WERE COMING OUT TO THE WEST. WOULD COME UP THE HILL AND RIGHT OVER OUR HOUSE. AND OVER TIME. YOU GET A VERY FINE, SOOTY DIRT OVER EVERYTHING. AND THAT IS A HEALTH CONCERN. THAT'S ONLY ONE OF BENNY HEALTH CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH A FULL SERVICE. JET AIRPORT. SO WHENEVER THIS COMES UP THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN FOR A PARCEL AT THE END OF THE RUNWAY SO THAT THEY CAN BECOME WHAT THEY WANT TO BECOME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE. WHETHER YOU THE INTERESTS. OF THE OH, HEAD OF THE AIRPORT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR PETERSON. GOOD EVENING, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. SO GOOD EVENING TO YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES. JOHN P MELAO 24 02 EAGLE VIEW DRIVE, BEL AIR MARYLAND. IN THE FINANCIAL WORLD. THERE'S AN EVENT CALLED THE TRIPLE WITCHING HOUR. THAT IS THE HOUR WHEN FUTURES AND OPTIONS ARE SETTLED. THOSE IN THE MONEY COLLECTIVE PAYDAY, THOSE OUT OF THE MONEY SETTLE THEIR LOSSES. THE HARFORD COUNTY EQUIVALENT IS COMPREHENSIVE REZONING. THIS IS THE EVENT WHERE PROPERTY OWNERS GET TO REQUEST A REZONING FOR THEIR PROPERTY WHEN GRANTED, THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS GET THEIR PAYDAY. RESIDENTS OF HARTFORD COUNTY AND PARTICULARLY THOSE ADJOINING THE REZONED PROPERTY, GET WHATEVER MISCHIEF RESULTS FROM THE PROCESS. THE PROPERTY OWNERS, DEVELOPERS, THEIR ATTORNEYS AND THE COUNT. ADMINISTRATION HAVE NO AUTHORITY OR POWER IN THESE MATTERS. AS THE COUNTY COUNCIL YOU ALONE HAVE THE POWER AND AUTHORITY FOR LAND USE AND ZONING WITH THAT POWER AND AUTHORITY COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY. I CAN LOOK AT PREVIOUS DECISIONS ON LAND USE AND ZONING AND COUNT THE LOSSES, A SOBER LIVING FACILITY CLASSIFIED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THE MULTI UNIT DWELLING STILL STANDING IN EMO PERMITTED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. PERRY AND BRENHAM PENINSULA CONSIGNED AS AN INDUSTRIAL PARK WITH

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THEIR PREVIOUS ACTIONS AND DECISIONS LEAD ME TO WONDER WHETHER THEY ARE CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THE ZONING LAWS. THE ZONING CODE, THE CONCEPT OF ZONING AND THE GRA. OF LAND USE AND ZONING. THERE ARE NO WAY POINTS OR LANDMARKS TO GUIDE ANY OF YOU IN THESE MATTERS. THERE IS NO EMPIRICAL DATA THAT STATES HOW MANY ACRES ARE REQUIRED FROM AMUSEMENTS INDUSTRIAL, RESIDENTIAL RETAIL TRADE SERVICES, TRANSPORTATION, COMMUNICATIONS AND UTILITY UTILITIES, OR WAREHOUSING AND PROCESSING USES. THAT IS WHERE THE MISCHIEF BEGINS. THOSE PERSONS WHO HAVE CULTIVATED ACCESS AND GROWN INFLUENCE NOW SEEK TO INFORM YOUR DECISIONS AND SHAPE YOUR ACTIONS. THEY A RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT IN HARTFORD COUNTY'S ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS. THE MATTER IS LEFT TO YOUR DISCRETION. I WONDER, WILL YOU USE YOUR POWER AND AUTHORITY TO DESTROY THE VARIOUS COMMUNITIES IN HARFORD COUNTY PLACED THE EUCLID VILLAGE PIG IN THE PARLOR? WILL YOU SELL OUT FOR A PAYDAY OR SETTLE A LOSSES FROM PREVIOUS DECISIONS AND ACTIONS? HOPEFULLY YOU WILL APPLY THE WISDOM YOU PRAY FOR TO PRESERVE THE COMMUNITIES OF PEOPLE YOU REPRESENT AND MAKE HARTFORD COUNTY A BETTER PLACE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? NO, THERE'S NO MORE SPEAKERS. WELL WITH NO MORE SPEAKERS. UM WILL CONCLUDE THIS HEARING. BUT, MR GRIMM, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND THIS WILL CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR BILL 24-007.

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

IF I MAY, I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE, FOLLOWED BY THE OPENING PRAYER BY COUNCILMAN JAN JORDANO. REAL. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. LIKE. I FLED TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. THANK YOU. DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, AS WE GATHER HERE IN SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY, WE INVOKE YOUR PRESENCE AMONG US GUIDE OUR HEARTS AND MINDS AS WE EMBARK ON THE IMPORTANT WORK OF THE COUNCIL MEETING GRANT US THE WISDOM TO DISCERN WHAT IS JUST AND FAIR, THE COMPASSION AND NOT TO UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS OF OUR CONSTITUENTS AND OUR COURAGE TO ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR WILL . MAY OUR DISCUSSIONS BE FILLED WITH RESPECT, EMPATHY AND A SPIRIT OF COOPER OPERATION HELP US TO FIND COMMON GROUND AND TO WORK TOGETHER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL BLESS AND PROTECT EACH MEMBER OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT FIRE DEPARTMENT. EMS AND MILITARY IN YOUR NAME, WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. COUNCIL IF I MAY AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME

[4. PRESENTATION OF PROCLAMATIONS]

GOOD EVENING. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. COUNCIL PRESIDENT MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL BEAR WITH ME A LITTLE BIT THIS EVENING STRUGGLING WITH THE VOICE. COLONEL WANTS TO SIT RIGHT NEXT TO ME HERE, SO HE CAME UP, BUT, UH, DELIGHTED TO BE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. TO, UH DISCUSS OUR

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I BELIEVE LIEUTENANT DAVE MCDOUGALL, WHO IS WITH US THIS EVENING WILL BE PROMOTED TO CAPTAIN. APRIL. APRIL 13TH APRIL 13TH SO HE WILL BE TAKING OVER COMMAND OF THE SOUTHERN PRECINCT OF VERY SHORTLY AND WITH THAT, I THANK YOU FOR HAVING US IN AND HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. IF YOU CAN STAND MY VOICE, UM COUNCIL. UH IT IS YOUR TIME. IF YOU WANNA ASK ANY QUESTIONS, UM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PHOTO SESSION HERE IN A SECOND, BUT AND, UH, PRESENT YOU WITH A PROCLAMATION. UM, I DON'T SEE ANY QUE OR I'M SORRY, MR PEN. I JUST NOT A QUESTION. UH, MAYBE ONE, BUT JUST A COMMENT. UH, WHAT EXTER EXTRAORDINARY, UH, AGENCY HART COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICES AND, UH, TO SEE IT GROW OVER. UH, MY TIME HERE IN HARFORD COUNTY, UH, HAS BEEN REALLY SOMETHING TO SEE. UH AND I TELL YOU, UM, OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, YOU'RE WELL REGARDED, AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, A VERY EVIDENT BY, UM, THE DIFFERENT SURVEYS THAT YOU'VE CONDUCTED OVER THE YEARS. SO, UH, I APPRECIATE, UH, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND ALL YOU DO.

OUR COMMUNITY. UH AND JUST FOR THE OPEN HOUSE. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE THAT NEW COMMAND BOSSES. THAT NEW COMMAND BOSS GONNA BE PRESENT. THAT'S STILL UP IN THE AIR. WE WILL SAY THANK YOU. I. I WILL OFFER THAT THE, UM WE HAVE JUST RESURVEYED. WE DID A SURVEY THREE YEARS AGO IN THE WAKE OF GEORGE FLOYD. UM AND , UH, WE REPORTED ON IT HERE, UH, BUT FOR THE AUDIENCE AND THOSE WATCHING THE RESULTS THAT CAME IN OF THE SHERIFF'S HARFORD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THE THREE MUNICIPAL AGENCIES BEL AIR ABERDEEN HAVER DE GRACE. IT WAS A COUNTY WAYS WIDE SURVEY. THE INDEPENDENT SURVEY COMPANY, UM, SAID THAT THEY HAD NEVER SEEN RESULTS THAT GOOD ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. UM, WE JUST DID ANOTHER SURVEY, THE RESULTS WILL BE COMING OUT. IN THE COMING WEEK OR SO WE'RE GONNA PUT A, UH SOCIAL MEDIA POST OUT AND THEN SHARE THE SURVEY. UM THEY WEREN'T QUITE AS GOOD BUT THEY'RE RIGHT IN THE EXACT SAME BALLPARK. WE CAME DOWN A LITTLE BIT. BUT I. I MEAN, I'LL TAKE IT AND AGAIN, THE SURVEY COMPANY THIS TIME SAID ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY WOULD KILL FIGURATIVELY TO HAVE THE SURVEY RESULTS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO RECEIVE AND I. I THINK THAT'S INDICATIVE OF THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO DO THE JOB TO COUNCIL IMPENDS POINT, UM, BUT ALSO TO THE WONDERFUL COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE IT'S RECIPROCAL. UM THE CITIZENS SUPPORT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE LAW ENFORCEMENT CORRECTIONS. AND ALL THE FUNCTIONS THAT WE HAVE. AND IN RETURN, UM THE DEPUTIES DO A GREAT JOB, SO IT'S A RECIPROCAL RELATIONSHIP AND AGAIN, I. I SPEAK FOR EVERYONE HERE AND, UH, THE NEARLY 700 EMPLOYEES OF THE

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AFTERWARDS. WE CAN DO IT, HOWEVER YOU WANT BECAUSE I'M GONNA BRING COUNCIL MEMBERS DOWN THERE. OK? RUN. BONES IN THE BACK. PEDIATRICS AND NOT TALL. I JUST NEED A BIGGER HEELS. THAT'S ALL. GOOD. OK? YOU, SIR. JUST THANK YOU. AND EVERYBODY ELSE ON THAT SIDE OF HIM PERFECT IN THE BACK ROW. AND THANK YOU. THIS WAS JUST A BIT, PLEASE. GREAT.

PERFECT. MAKE IT. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE CALL. UM THANK YOU. YOU B AND C THAT YOU TAKE THAT. GOOD JOKE. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT IF IT'S NOT TOO MUCH TROUBLE CAN I HAVE THE HEY.

APPRECIATE. I'M GUESSING ABOUT JEFF JEFF. OK? MHM. NO, I DIDN'T SEE YOU. BUT NO. NOT COMING. AND SHE WAS RIGHT? WE. YOU WANT TO SELL ME THIS ONE? SO I'M GONNA HAVE ALL THE SCOUTS AND FRONT ROW AND THEN EVERYONE ELSE IN THE BACK ROW. YOU CAN ALL COME FORWARD. AND THEN EVERYBODY IN THE BACK ROOM OF MAYBE I FINE. ON THIS SIDE. THANK YOU. JUST TO SET IT UP. AND STUFF THIS WAY.

JUST AND EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. NO. THANKS FOR COMING. SO.

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GENDER NUMBER FIVE CONSIDERATION PETITIONS, APPLICATIONS, APPOINTMENTS AND NOMINATIONS WE

[6. SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS]

SCOWLED THE SCOUTING'S ANNUAL SCOUTING FOR FOOD DRIVE COLLECTED OVER £13,802 OF FOOD THAT STAYED HERE IN HARTFORD COUNTY THROUGH A DISTRIBUTION TO LOCAL FOOD BANKS AND PANTRIES BETWEEN THE SCOUTING FOR FOOD DRIVE AND OTHER GOOD TURNS IN OUR COMMUNITY. SCALING SCOUTS PARTICIPATED IN 9724 HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE LAST YEAR. FURTHER SCOUTS EARNED OVER 2319 MERI BADGES, HELPING THEM LEARN NEW AND VALUABLE SKILLS THAT WILL STAY WITH THEM FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. AND IN 2023 48 SCOUTS ARE THE PRESTIGIOUS RANK OF EAGLE SCOUT AND CONTRIBUTED AN IMPRESSIVE $97,720 WORTH OF VALUE ADDED TO THEIR LOCAL COMMUNITIES THROUGH THEIR EAGLE SCOUT PROJECTS. SCOUTING HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN SHAPING ME INTO A MORE EFFECTIVE LEADER, EQUIPPING ME WITH INVALUABLE SKILLS AND FOSTERING A SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST AND SUPPORTING THE SCOUTING PROGRAM IN HARTFORD COUNTY AND WELCOME YOUR SUPPORT, AND IT'S CONTINUOUS SUCCESS ACROSS CENTRAL MARYLAND. THANK YOU.

WELL, OUTSTANDING. THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. DON'T RUN OFF. DON'T RUN OFF. I THINK MAYBE MY COLLEAGUES MAY HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW. SO WE'LL GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY.

ANYONE. MR GUTHRIE. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF ROOM ON THERE TO PUT IT IN HIS MERIT PATCHES? I'M ALREADY ON THE I AGREE. HOW MANY IS THAT FIT? YOUR DAD SAYS IS 5151.

CONGRATULATIONS AWESOME. I THINK I GOT SHORT OF THE IT WAS 21 VIA EAGLE SCOUT, WOULDN'T IT? I THINK IT'S 2424 WHATEVER NUMBERS. I WAS A COUPLE SHORT. WHEN I WAS IN SAINT AMBROSE AND IN PARK HEIGHTS AVENUE. AND THE REASON I DECIDED TO, UH, GIVE IT UP IS I WANTED TO JOIN THE CYO BECAUSE ALL THE GIRLS WERE OVER THERE. THAT'S ENOUGH, MISTER GUTHRIE. MR BENNETT, I THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I AM AN EAGLE SCOUT FROM TROOP 777 AND I USED TO BE A NYLT TRAINER AND

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MR JORDANA. SO HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN IN SCOUTS FOR FOUR YEARS . FOUR YEARS. YOU'VE DONE ALL THAT IN FOUR YEARS. I WAS WONDERING, I'M LIKE, WOW, THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING. SO IT SHOWS YOUR DEDICATION AND I HAVE TO SAY 11 OF THE BEST THINGS. I THINK FOR ME THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN A COUNCILMAN IS THE TIME THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUT BROAD CREEK IN THE LAND PRESERVATION.

I. I THINK YOU KNOW, I. I HAD ONLY GOTTEN TO BROAD CREEK. ONE TIME WE HAD A, UH, AN EVENT UP THERE AND JUST SAW HOW AMAZING IT WAS. SO I KNOW THAT MONEY WOULD GO TO GOOD USE UP THERE.

WE HAVE THIS AMAZING FACILITY IN OUR BACKYARD THAT'S UNMATCHED, PROBABLY IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES, SO I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT. AND UH, BEST OF LUCK ON ON, UH, ON CONTINUING WITH SCOUTING, SO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND THANK YOU FOR THE REST OF YOU FOR BEING HERE AS WELL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, MR JAMES JORDAN AND MR BEMAN. THANK YOU, MR AND I. I WANNA SAY, UH, HOW IMPRESSIVE YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON YOUR PRESENTATION AND JUST KIND OF ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SAID, AND THANK YOU GUYS, UH, FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND I JUST PIGGYBACK OFF WHAT? UH, COUNCILMAN RILEY SAID. WELL WHAT A GREAT FOUNDATION THAT EACH OF YOU WILL HAVE, UH, AND REALLY PUT YOU ON THE PATH FOR SUCCESS FOR OUR COUNTY AND FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY, SO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. THANK YOU, MR PENMAN. AND THANK YOU AGAIN. YEAH, YOU CAN GO NOW. WE GO.

[7. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[9. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS]

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[10. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF AMENDMENTS]

PLEASE READ AMENDMENT ONE TO BILL 24-004 INTO THE RECORD AND THEN WENT ONE TO BUILD NUMBER 24-004 PLUMBING CODE INTRODUCED BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT VINCENTE AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ON PAGE 16 IN LINE EIGHT STRIKE 106.9 0.5 AND SUBSTITUTE 109.5. THANK YOU.

BECAUSE OF TIMING. THESE AMENDMENTS WILL BE CONSIDERED THIS EVENING. THEY WERE BROUGHT UP AT THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS PAST WEEK, AND, UM TOTALLY EXPECTED, AND THEY'RE MOSTLY CLERICAL ERROR. SO UH, MAY HAVE EMOTION. COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I MOVE TO APPROVE AMENDMENT ONE FOR BILL 24-004 PLUMBING CODE. MAY I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU, MR PENMAN. IT'S MOVING IN.

SECONDLY TO APPROVE AMENDMENT ONE TO BILL 24 01. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MR KEARNEY. MR PRESIDENT, MR. GUTHRIE ALL RIGHT , MR DAN JORDANO. MR. RALEIGH, I MR BENNETT, I YOU'RE BEING SIX VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. ONE ABSENT AMENDMENT ONE TO BILL 24 01 IS HEREBY APPROVED. MR JAN JORDANO, PLEASE READ AMENDMENTS ONE THROUGH THREE TO BUILD 24 005 AMENDMENTS ONE THROUGH THREE TO BILL NUMBER 24-005 BUILDING CODE INTRODUCED BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT VICENTE AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE ON PAGE TWO, THE FIRST PAGE AFTER THE TITLE PAGE IN THE HEADER AND FOOTER INSERT BILL 24-005 AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO ON PAGE TWO, THE FIRST PAGE AFTER THE TITLE PAGE IN THE FOOTER. STRIKE TWO AND SUBSTITUTE ONE AS THE PAGE NUMBER AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE ON PAGE 45 IN LINE 26 STRIKE 3 95.1 AND SUBSTITUTE 305.1. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, THESE AMENDMENTS WILL BE CONSIDERED THIS EVENING. MAY I HAVE A MOTION COUNCILOR? PRESIDENT I MOVE TO APPROVE AMENDMENTS ONE THROUGH THREE FOR BILL 24-005 BUILDING CODE. MAY I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU, MR PENMAN. MOVE SECONDED TO APPROVE AMENDMENTS ONE THROUGH THREE FOR BILL 24-005. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MR KEARNEY. MR PRESIDENT. I MR MR BENNETT. BEING SIX VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. ONE ABSENT AMENDMENTS, ONE THROUGH THREE TO BILL 24-005 ARE HEREBY APPROVED. 11 CALL FOR FINAL READING OF

[11. CALL FOR FINAL READING OF BILLS]

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IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MR KEARNEY, MR. PRESIDENT MR. GIORDANO A MR RILEY, MR BENNETT.

BEING SIX VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. ONE ABSENT GO 24-005, AS AMENDED, IS HEREBY APPROVED. BILL 24-006 ELECTRICAL CODE MAY HAVE A MOTION COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I MOVE TO APPROVE BILL 24-006 ELECTRICAL CODE SAY AGAIN. THANK YOU, MR GUTHRIE. THEY MOVED IN SECOND TO APPROVE BILL 24-006 ELECTRICAL CODE. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MISTER KEARNEY. HI HI. HI. MR JAN GIORDANO. MR. RILEY, I MR BENNETT, I THERE BEING SIX VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. ONE ABSENT BILL 24-006 ELECTRICAL CODE IS HEREBY APPROVED. AJ ITEM NUMBER 12 ENROLLMENT OF BILLS. BILL

[12. ENROLLMENT OF BILLS]

[17. COMMENTS AND INPUT FROM ATTENDING CITIZENS]

GOOD EVENING, SIR. NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. MY NAME IS THOMAS FRYE ADDRESS.

3421 MCCOMMONS ROAD, CHURCHVILLE. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FELLOW CITIZENS. I'M THOMAS FRYE. MCCOMMONS ROAD. I'M HERE THIS EVENING REQUEST YOUR HELP IN ADDRESSING CONCERNS REGARDING THE AIRPORT EXPANSION. 2013 THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 30 PLANES HANGING AT THE AIRPORT. NOW IT'S OVER, 70 DOUBLING AND GROWING EACH DAY WE GLEAN FROM THE, UH, PUBLIC INPUT MEETING AND, UH, DECEMBER 2023 THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING UPWARDS OF 200 AIRCRAFT. THE NEAR MISS SITUATION AND TRAGIC, FATAL ACCIDENT, WHICH OCCURRED IN PAST JULY COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR LOST LIVES. HAD THAT PLANE CRASHED ON 155 RIVER NEIGHBORING HOUSES AS A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER FOR MANY YEARS, A CATASTROPHIC EVENTS, WHICH OCCURRED IN MANY AIRCRAFT ACCIDENTS ARE FEARED BY MYSELF AND RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. RECOMMENDED HER OUTSTANDING LEVEL VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY BE FUNDED FOR AIRCRAFT EMERGENCY RESPONSE EQUIPMENT IN THE NEXT CYCLE INSTITUTE, A BILL REQUIRING PERSONS FLYING AT THE HARTFORD COUNTY AIRPORT BE INSURED. HARTFORD COUNTY FLIGHT SCHOOL HAS BROUGHT A LARGE NUMBER OF KNIVES PILOTS INTO THE AIRSPACE OVER THE HOMES, INCREASING CHANCES FOR ACCIDENTS AND MISSES. I'M ASKING FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE IN ZONING ADHERENCE TO HARTFORD COUNTY AIRPORT, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE A SAFER AIRPORT OPERATION AND COEXISTENCE FOR HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS. REQUEST CODE ENFORCEMENT WHEREBY NO MORE THAN 50 PER CENT OF THE GROUND UPON WHICH A COMMERCIAL OPERATION IS CONDUCTED, MAY BE IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT REVIEW AIRPORT SITE PLANS FOR VIOLATIONS OF SAFETY IMPACTS ON FUTURE RESIDENTIAL AREAS SUCH AS ALDINO STEPHANIE ROAD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING DEVELOPED AND IS IMPACTED BY THE TAKEOFF OF LANDINGS. INTRODUCE A BILL TO ESTABLISH A CALLING HOTLINE FOR AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS CONCERN. CURRENTLY THE APPROACHING LANDING PADS ARE LOCATED OVER PROPERTIES NOT OWNED BY THE HARFORD COUNTY AIRPORT AND RULE ENFORCEMENTS DO NOT EXIST TO PROTECT PROPERTY. OWNERS OF THE AIRSPACE OUTLINE FOR THE HARFORD COUNTY RESIDENCES AND BUSINESS COULD WITNESS UNSAFE AIR OPERATIONS TO PROVIDE MORE ACCOUNTABILITY. MINIMIZE AIRPORT USE. AND CEASE AND DESIST. ANY ADDITIONAL RESTAURANT STACK BARS , RUNWAY AGENCIES OR PARACHUTE ACTIVITIES WHICH FALL WITHIN COMMERCIAL USE AND WILL CHANGE THE RURAL LANDSCAPE OF OUR AREA AND FORCES ZONING CODES REGARDING STORAGE OF PETROLEUM PRODUCTS AT THE AIRPORT DUE TO THE POTENTIAL FUEL SPILLAGE IMPACTS ON ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL

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NOW ON THE IMPACTS OF RESIDENTS, POPULATIONS ENVIRONMENT INFRASTRUCTURE IN A FOUR SQUARE MILE RADIUS PRIOR TO ANY ZONING CHANGES OR BUILD OUT APPROVALS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION, MR FRY. TYPICALLY I'M ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE SPEAKER AND WRITE NOTES. I STOPPED. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A COPY OF YOUR COMMENTS THIS EVENING. MR CARNEY RIGHT HERE DOWN FRONT WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT. THANK YOU, SIR. CALL YOU NEXT SPEAKER. BANANA. GOOD EVENING, MA'AM NAME AND ADDRESS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OK? UM KATIE GUANO 2320. FRANKLIN'S CHANCE.

COURT FALS IN MARYLAND 2 10 47. GOOD EVENING. UM MANY PEOPLE SAY THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL IS MONEY. I BELIEVE THAT FOR THE MOST PART, BUT EVEN MORE THE MONEY, I THINK GREED IS THE TRUE PROBLEM. UM AND THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL, A COMBINATION OF MONEY AND POWER. I GUESS IF YOU LOOK AT OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THERE ARE ISSUES OF GREED. THESE HAVE TRICKLED DOWN FOR DECADES AND ARE BECOMING AN INCREASED PROBLEM IN STATES AND COUNTIES. MR PENMAN, I FEEL AS THOUGH YOU ARE LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT HERE. I'VE HAD SO MANY CALLS. FROM CITIZENS ACROSS THIS COUNTY. ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE, AND I FIGURED TONIGHT WOULD BE THE NIGHT THAT I TAKE A STANCE. I DON'T WANT YOU REACHING OUT AND CALLING MISTER PENMAN BY NAME, I. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY SPEAKING TO MR CASSY BY NAME IN THIS CHAMBER. OK, THANK YOU. OK? THERE IS SOMEONE ON THE COUNCIL.

THAT IS, UM ON BOTH THE EXECUTIVE AND THE JUDICIAL BRANCH. OK UNLESS WE SEVERAL SPEAKERS BROUGHT THIS UP, UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHECKS AND BALANCES. UM AND THE REAL IDEA OF THE SEPARATION OF POWERS. AND WHY THE FRAMERS OF THE CONSTITUTION LAID THEM OUT FOR OUR GREAT NATION. UM IF YOU YOU'RE NOT OVERLY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE FEDERALIST PAPERS, I THINK PERHAPS, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE NOTES FROM 42 AND 54 ARE OF GREAT INFORMATION. UM I DON'T THINK ONE PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO WRITE LAWS AND ENFORCE THEM AGAIN THAT IS JUST UNCONSTITUTIONAL. IT IS AGAINST COUNTY CODE IS IT AGAINST IT IS AGAINST THE MARYLAND CONSTITUTION, AND FURTHERMORE, IT'S AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I'M GONNA HAVE TO SKIP PART. UM OK? UM I'M CONCERNED ABOUT SOME MEMBERS ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL. UM BEING, UH, LORD BY GREED, PERHAPS, UM, TO OVERDEVELOP OUR COUNTY. I'M NOT SURE IF THEY LIKE TRAFFIC IF THEY WANT TO WAIT EXTRA TIME AT THE HOSPITAL.

I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO. I DON'T THINK THEY WANT TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN IN CROWDED CLASSROOMS. BUT I THINK THAT THIS GREED HAS TAKEN THEM OVER. UM AGAIN. I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS MANY OF TIMES. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS LACKING. BIG TIME. UM SOME OF YOU ARE MORE FOCUSED ON DEVELOPMENT AND UH HM. OK. WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, I HAD TO SKIP OVER A COUPLE OF PARTS. SORRY. UM, I WAS GOING TO SAY ONE BILL I HAVE AGREED WITH. UH MY COUNCILMAN IS NOT OR JUST TO HAVE THE UNITED STATES FLAG, THE STATE FLAG AND THE COUNTY FLAG AT THE SCHOOLS. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. UM I WAS CURIOUS. I UH, IN TERMS OF THINKING OF BILLS FOR BILL, UM, 24-001. I WAS NOT PERSONALLY IN FAVOR OF THE BILL. UM, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW WHY IT WAS DISMISSED. ARE THERE PLANS OF IT COMING BACK AND THEN ALSO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO REALLY CARED ABOUT THE ELDERLY, AGING IN PLACE LIKE MR RILEY YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, I WAS CURIOUS IF PERHAPS THE OLD LEGISLATION ABOUT AD US COULD BE REVISITED TO HELP THE ELDERLY AGE IN PLACE , UM MORE APPROPRIATELY, OR THE WAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UM. AGAIN. I'M GONNA HAVE TO SEE IF OVER A COUPLE OF THINGS I APPRECIATE, UM THE THINGS THAT YOU DO, AND I HOPE WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE SEPARATION OF POWERS A LITTLE BIT MORE. THANK YOU, MA'AM, AND BOTH OF THESE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL REACH OUT TO YOU, UH, VIA EMAIL TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTIONS THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. CALL YOU NEXT SPEAKER. THE LIVINGSTON, UH, FOLLOWED BY DIANA COWS. GOOD EVENING. I'M

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GOOD EVENING, MAN. GOOD EVENING, DIANA SADOWSKI. MY THROAT'S A LITTLE BETTER TODAY. 1113 STROM CO DRIVE. FALLSTON MARYLAND. FIRST OF ALL WHEN TO SAY KUDOS TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND ALSO TO THE SCOUTS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. UM JUST THIS PAST WEEK, AN 80 YEAR OLD WOMAN ACCORDING TO REPORTS, THESE THUGS PUNCTURED HER VEHICLE'S TIRE, BANGED REPEATEDLY ON HER TRUNK TO DISTRACT HER AND STOLE HER PURSE. NEEDLESS TO SAY, THIS WAS A WELL PLANNED ATTACKED BY PREDATORS WHO NOW LIVE AMONG US. MUCH THANKS. GO OUT TO THE CITIZENS WHO STEPPED UP TO HELP THIS WOMAN AND SCARE OFF HER ATTACKERS. UNFORTUNATELY I FEEL THAT THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE OF AND SINCE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ON THE COUNCIL, PERHAPS WE CAN GET AN UPDATE NEXT WEEK ON THIS CRIME AND WHAT ACTION THE DEPARTMENT IS TAKING TO PREVENT THIS FROM REPEATING. I JUST THINK THAT 80 YEAR OLD WOMAN COULD HAVE BEEN YOUR MOTHER COULD HAVE BEEN YOUR GRANDMOTHER. WHO'S NOW I'M SURE QUITE FEARFUL ON VENTURING OUT FOR SOMETHING AS UNCOMPLICATED AS GROCERIES. GENTLEMEN OF THE COUNCIL, THE HORSES OUT OF THE BARN. BUT I BELIEVE IT'S NOT TOO LATE IN HARFORD COUNTY TO LASSO IT AND RETURN IT TO ITS PROPER STALL OR HOME COUNTRY. I NEED YOU TO WAKE UP. JUST LAST WEEK, BALTIMORE COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT PICKED UP A CHILEAN GANG WHO TARGETED AND BURGLED LUXURY HOUSING THEY FOUND VIA ZILLOW HUMAN HARFORD COUNTY. WE HAVE THE UNSOLVED MORE AND MURDER. AND I'LL SAY HER NAME. IT'S RACHEL MORIN. JUST RECENTLY ANOTHER MURDER ON A TRIAL ON A TRAIL IN BALTIMORE COUNTY. IS THIS A COINCIDENCE? NOW WE HAVE THIS ASSAULT IN BROAD DAYLIGHT ON ONE OF OUR ELDERLY CITIZENS. WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN ONCE ALL THE HIGH DENSITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING GETS PUT IN LIKE GOVERNOR MORE IS PUSHING FOR I'M WAGERING HIGHER CRIME.

WILL YOU STAND UP FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS OVER DOLLAR SIGNS? WERE YOU STAND BETWEEN WHAT IS GOOD AND RIGHT AND WHAT IS BAD FOR THE HARTFORD COUNTY CITIZENRY? LACK OF BACKBONES OR TIED HANDS. EXCUSES ARE NOT NEEDED NOW. ALSO DON'T TELL ME THAT CRIME ISN'T BELLAIRE

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IT'S NOT A MATTER OF PAUSING DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A MATTER OF PRIORITIZING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY IN THE RIGHT ORDER, ISSUING PERMITS AT THE RIGHT TIME AND HAVING POLICIES IN PLACE THAT SET UP ALL STAKEHOLDERS FOR SUCCESS. YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS. WE'LL MOVE INTO

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ALEX JACOBS IS THE OWNER OF COPPER MINE, UH, SPORTS FIELDS AND ARE DOWN IN EDGEWOOD, AND HE OWNS PROBABLY ANOTHER 10 OR 12 ACROSS THE STATE. UM HE GAVE US SPEECH, AND HE TALKED ABOUT HIS LAST WEEKEND, THEY HAD WHAT THEY CALL THE SOFT OPENING. THEY'RE BIG OPENING IS COMING IN ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS. BUT WHAT HE REMINDED US AND, UH MR PENHALL WAS THERE AND SO WAS PRESIDENT PAT AH, THEY TALKED ABOUT OF COURSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TALKED ABOUT THIS EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS AGO. I SAID, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH HOTELS IN THIS IN THIS COUNTY AND THAT, UH , ACCORDING TO THIS, MR JACOBS, HE ESTIMATED THAT WHEN THEY GET GOING FULL BOARD THERE THAT THEY'RE EXPECTING 12,000 PEOPLE A WEEKEND FROM THURSDAY TO FRIDAY DURING FOR A GOOD EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS OF THE YEAR. WELL, THIS SOFT OPENING, UH, LAST WEEK AND THEY HAD 3000 PEOPLE COME AND THEY WERE SHORT PARKING PLACES, SO HE NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT . NOW HE'S A SHORT PARKING PLACES. THEY WERE 500 ROOMS SHORT. THAT WEEKEND. UH, FOR

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MILTON WRIGHT AND JOPPATOWNE HIGH SCHOOL. IT WAS ALSO IMPRESSIVE TO LEARN THAT HABIT, AGREES ROBOTICS CLUB QUALIFIED FOR THE ROBOTIC STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. I WANT TO THANK THE END STEP PROGRAM, ALSO FOR THEIR INCREDIBLE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE HARBOR COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND DEDICATION TO FOSTERING THE GROWTH OF THE ROBOTICS CLUBS THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTY, SO THAT'S ALL I WAS PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, MR PENMAN. MR DANIEL DENNETT COUNCIL PRESIDENT. SO, UM, ATTENDED THE FIRST PATRIOTS CELEBRATION THIS YEAR. UM IT'S SOMETHING PRETTY PRETTY NEAT, PRETTY FUN TO WATCH ALL THESE YOUNG KIDS KINDERGARTENERS FIRST GRADE SECOND GRADE COME THROUGH THERE AND HOW MANY PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM AND I REALLY ENJOY THAT THEY THEY SING THESE DIFFERENT SONGS. UM SO IT CERTAINLY IS DEFINITELY A GREAT EXPERIENCE. BELLAIRE HAD 277 PATRIOTS TOE TOTAL 37 OF THEM WERE FROM THE FIFTH GRADE, AND I THINK THEY HAVE A TOTAL OF LIKE 500 SOMETHING KIDS, ALMOST HALF OF THE SCHOOL, UM, WAS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PATRIOT PROGRAM, SO KUDOS TO THEM, AND THEN I DID. GRAND OPENING FOR MY VERY GOOD FRIEND RANDY PACKAGE, SP CAPITAL MANAGEMENT MOVED TO WATER'S EDGE. UM AND IT'S GOT SOME GREAT VIEWS OVER THERE. UH, UPON THE I GUESS, THIRD OR FOURTH FLOOR AND MYSELF AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT VINCENTI AND COUNCILMAN RILEY, UM WERE THERE SO CONGRATULATIONS TO HIM, AND

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GUTHRIE WAS REFERRING TO THAT MR MATHIS SHARED DURING THE PRESENTATION, WHICH THE PRESENTATION WILL AIR ON HARFORD TV IN APRIL. AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO WATCH IT, BUT IT IS A DRUG CALLED LOCALLY REFERRED TO AS GAS STATION HEROIN. THE MOST COMMON BRAND YOU'LL FIND FOR IT IS CALLED ZAZA AND THEY BROUGHT TO THE PRESENTATION. UM PURCHASES OF IT THAT THEY HAD MADE AT LOCAL BEEP SHOPS IN HARFORD COUNTY TO SHOW HOW EASILY YOU CAN PICK THIS UP. AND IT'S WORSE FOR YOU THAN HEROIN AND MORE ADDICTIVE THAN HEROIN. SO IT'S SOMETHING TO JUST KEEP AN EYE OUT AND TO KNOW THAT IT EXISTS AND HOPEFULLY SOME LEVEL LEGISLATIVE WAY BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE A DEBIT CARD AND CAN GET TO A BEEP SHOP, YOU CAN GET YOUR HANDS ON IT, AND IT'S UM VERY DANGEROUS FOR YOUR HEALTH. AND FOR YOUR WELL BEING, UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ADDRESS. UM BUT IT WAS REALLY IT WAS AN INFORMATIVE EVENT, AND WE LEFT ON THE THEME OF HOPE OF KNOWING THAT THE DRUG CRISIS THAT WE FACE IS ONE THAT IS SOLVABLE. AND SO THERE'S A REALLY GREAT PRESENTATION AND I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH. I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WATCH IT. UM I ALSO ATTENDED LAST WEEK. THE ABINGTON BELCAMP PERRIMAN, UM, CAB MEETING, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, I REALLY ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO TO THEIR LOCAL CAB MEETING.

THEY'RE REALLY POWERFUL EXPERIENCES. DO YOU GET TO FACE GOVERNMENT ENTITIES AND PEOPLE WHO CAN HELP YOU AND HAVE UNLIMITED TIME TO TALK OPENLY ABOUT THINGS GOING ON. AND WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE CHANGED. I REALLY PERSONALLY ENJOY ATTENDING THE CAB MEETING EVERY MONTH. UM ALSO AT THE OPERA HOUSE, I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND. STILL, I RISE WOMEN'S VOICES IN AMERICAN POETRY, WHICH WAS A WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL PRESENTATION FOR BOTH WOMEN'S HISTORY, MONTH AND POETRY MONTH. UM AND SO MANY POWERFUL WOMEN FROM OUR COMMUNITY CORNERSTONES OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTICIPATED IN THAT. AND CHRISTOPHER PROVIDENCE THAT AN INCREDIBLE JOB DIRECTING THE PROGRAM, SO THAT WAS A LOT OF FUN. UM COMING UP THE CHURCH BILL CRESSWELL FOUNTAIN GREEN CAB MEETING IS THURSDAY AT 630 AT THE CHURCH BILL REC CENTER, SO I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES TO COME ON OUT. UM I REPRESENT A TINY PORTION OF THAT WITH CRESSWELL.

SO I'LL BE DOING MY BEST TO MAKE SURE MYSELF OR OR MY LEGISLATIVE AIDE ARE THERE. AND THEN THE ABINGTON WOULD COALITION IS HAVING A MEETING ON MARCH 26TH AT 6:30 P.M. AT THE NEATO LIGHT ESTUARY CENTER. UM AND I JUST WANTED TO REAL QUICK TOUCH UPON TWO RECENT LOSSES IN OUR COMMUNITY TO, UH, LONGSTANDING FIRST RESPONDERS. UM BOTH MR DAVID STARR AND MR CHRIS STONE WHO WE LOST AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW THEIR COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM OVER 70 YEARS OF VOLUNTEER SERVICE DOESN'T GO UNRECOGNIZED OR UNKNOWN. THANKED FOR, UM AND JUST THINKING OF THOSE WHO WERE CLOSE WITH THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES DURING THIS TIME. UM I AND BECAUSE IT WAS ASKED IT WASN'T IN MY NOTES, BUT A P F O. I THINK, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT AND WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT IT. I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON WHAT OTHER COUNTIES DO. PERSON A PERSONAL PREFERENCE. I REALLY LIKE HOW SOME COUNTIES TEAR THEIR AP FO PERCENTAGE. SO THERE'S A STRICTER PERCENTAGE FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, THEN SECONDARY SCHOOLS BECAUSE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS HAVE A SMALLER COMMUNITY FOOTPRINT, SO IT'S EASIER TO BE STRICTER ON THEM VERSUS YOUR MIDDLE SCHOOLS, HIGH SCHOOLS THAT SERVE A MUCH LARGER FOOTPRINT. UM BUT THEN WITH IMPACT FEES, I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT THAT THEY DO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THEM WITH YOU, IF A TIME MACHINE BECAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF BUILDING, UM AND THEY WERE RUNNING OUT BUILDING TO DUE TO GATHER IMPACT HE'S FROM, BUT IT'S THE SOONER THE BETTER IN SOME GLAD THAT WORKGROUP IS HAPPENING, SO THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR ME AND WE'RE BACK FROM ANNAPOLIS. JESUS HEY, HEY. GOOD GOING ON WITH HIS RELATIONS ANYMORE. TIME NOW YOU SEE WHAT I DEAL WITH EVERY DAY THERE AND YOU HAD TO COME BACK. THANK YOU, MR BENNETT. UM SO 15 BUSINESS

[15. BUSINESS FROM THE PRESIDENT]

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WANT TO ADVERTISE THE FISCAL YEAR 25 COUNCIL BUDGET WORK SESSIONS AGAIN. MONDAY, APRIL 22ND. TUESDAY, APRIL 23RD. MONDAY, APRIL 29TH TUESDAY, APRIL 30TH IN THESE CHAMBERS. A COPY OF THE SCHEDULE WILL BE ON OUR WEBSITE. AUDIO LIVE STREAM WILL BE AVAILABLE DURING THE FOUR DAYS OF MEETINGS AUDIO. THE MEETING WILL BE ARCHIVED ON THE COUNCIL WEBSITE AND THEN ALSO OUR BUDGET. PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY. MAY 8TH 7:30 P.M. ON MONDAY MAY 13TH 730 PM IN THESE CHAMBERS. VIDEO AND AUDIO WILL BE LIVE STREAMED IN ARCHIVED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.

UM I, TOO, BELIEVE THAT IT'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME SINCE WE LOOKED AT IMPACT FEES.

MS COLEMAN, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE'RE MEETING TOMORROW AT THREE O'CLOCK. UM LAST TIME THE FEES WERE LOOKED AT WAS IN 2004. THEY ARE USING NOT A CONTRACTOR, BUT A CONSULTANT. TISCHLER BUYS WE WILL MEET WITH THEM AND ALSO AS A PART OF THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A PF PHONE NUMBER. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST CAN'T GRAB OUT OF THE AIR. YOU CAN'T PUT FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE TOGETHER TO PULL THESE NUMBERS OUT. YOU NEED SOMEBODY WITH THE EXPERIENCE AND THE KNOWLEDGE TO BRING THIS REPORT TOGETHER FOR A MULTITUDE OF REASONS. UM AND THEN, UM AGAIN. MR BENNETT SPOKE ABOUT MR STARR. IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE. IT WAS VERY SAD TO HEAR THE NEWS THIS WEEKEND AND JEAN AND I WISH TO EXPRESS OUR DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO MR STARR'S FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THE SUSQUEHANNA HOSE COMPANY, ALL OF THE VOLUNTEERS, FIRE AND E. M S VOLUNTEERS ACROSS THIS COUNTY.

BECAUSE FOR YEARS HE WAS A MEMBER OF SUSQUEHANNA HOSE AT HOUSE TWO ON UNION AVENUE AND WORKED CLOSE WITH MANY PEOPLE ACROSS THIS COUNTY. I WOULD ASK YOU TO KEEP DAVE IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS. HE WAS A GUY THAT NOT ONLY LOVED THAT COMMUNITY OF HARVARD DEGREES, BUT THE WATERFRONT, YOU KNOW THE OUTDOORS, SO I AGAIN I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO KEEP ALL OF HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILIES IN YOUR THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS, MEMBERS OF ALL OF OUR FIRE NAME S COMPANIES. THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AND WITH THAT, GO AHEAD AN

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.