Nov 18, 2025 County Council

[Items a - c]

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TO ORDER. PUBLIC HEARING FOR RESOLUTION ZERO 3525 THROUGH ZERO 3727. ENTERPRISE ZONE.

MISS HOLT, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBER.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I WANT TO COME TO YOU A LITTLE BIT. IS IT BETTER TO PULL IT TO YOU? YEAH.

BEFORE I START WITH THE PRESENTATION, JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE WITH ME KIM SPARA, OUR FINANCE SPECIALIST IN THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT SUPPORTS OUR ENTERPRISE ZONE PROCESS. I COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING WITH THREE PROPERTIES THAT ARE SEEKING CREDIT WITH OUR ENTERPRISE ZONE PROGRAM. AND I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON IT, TOO. JUST FOR CONTEXT, IF I COULD, THE ENTERPRISE ZONE, WE HAVE TWO ABERDEEN AND HAVRE DE GRACE AND THE EDGEWOOD JOPPATOWNE. SO THE ABERDEEN HAVRE DE GRACE, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP THE IDENTIFIED AREA REALLY KIND OF COINCIDES WITH THE ROUTE 40 CORRIDOR, WHICH IS OUR DEVELOPMENT ENVELOPE, AND OUR INVESTMENT AREA. OUR NEXT IS THE EDGEWOOD JOPPA. AND INTERESTINGLY, THE EDGEWOOD JOPPA SUNSET IN 2024. SO THEY RUN FOR TEN YEAR PERIODS AND THEY CAN BE RENEWED. THE EDGEWOOD JOPPA WAS NOT RENEWED.

HOWEVER, IT DID COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT PER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ARTICLE 55 707D THAT ANY ENTITY THAT WAS OPERATING IN AN ENTERPRISE ZONE WHEN THE DESIGNATION EXPIRED MAY CLAIM THAT CREDIT ALLOWED UNDER THAT SECTION FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS AFTER EXPIRATION. SO YOU'LL HAVE TWO PROPERTIES COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FROM THE ABERDEEN HAVRE DE GRACE AND THEN ONE THAT IS RESIDUAL FROM THE EDGEWOOD. JOPPA. SO JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THE ENTERPRISE ZONE PROVIDES REAL PROPERTY AND STATE INCOME TAX CREDIT FOR BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED IN AN ENTERPRISE ZONE. IT GIVES FOCUS ON JOB CREATION OR CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN THAT AREA. THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ROLE IS TO BEFORE IT GOES TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF ASSESSMENT AND TAXATION, WE VERIFY THAT IT IS IN AN EXISTING ENTERPRISE ZONE AND PREPARE THAT PROPERTY FOR THROUGH THEIR APPLICATION PROCESS. AND THEN THE ROLE OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL IS TO OFFER APPROVAL BASED ON THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION SUPPORTING THEIR ELIGIBILITY FOR THE TAX CREDIT. SO PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, IT DID REQUIRE A MEETING WITH MYSELF, WITH OUR TREASURER, ROBBIE SANDLER, AND WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAD A MAJORITY OF THE ENTERPRISE ZONE IN THEIR AREA, AND THEN THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN A MUNICIPALITY REQUIRE A RESOLUTION PRIOR TO SO. ONE OF THE PROPERTIES YOU'LL SEE THIS EVENING REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE CITY OF HAVRE DE GRACE, BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THAT MUNICIPALITY. AGAIN, TO GIVE CONTEXT, HISTORICALLY, THERE'S ABOUT 9700 ACRES IN THE ABERDEEN, HAVRE DE GRACE, AND WE'VE HAD TO DATE MORE THAN $440 MILLION IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT SINCE 2006. AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE EDGEWOOD, JOPPA ENTERPRISE ZONE, ABOUT HALF OF THAT AMOUNT OF ACREAGE AND HAS HAD ABOUT 148 MILLION IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT. THE FIRST PROPERTY THAT I BRING BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, AGAIN TIED TO THE EDGEWOOD JOPPA ENTERPRISE ZONE, IS PACA, LLC. IT'S LOCATED AT 1301 GOVERNOR COURT IN ABINGDON, AND IT HAS A $9.7 MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT. IT'S ABOUT 114,000FT■!S. IT'S LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT A AND PROPOSED TO CREATE 1 TO 2 NEW JOBS. IT'S LOCATED IN THE WILLIAM PACA BUSINESS PARK. AND ONE PIECE THAT I WILL POINT OUT IS THAT THE CONDITIONS FOR AN ENTERPRISE ZONE ARE AN AND OR SO. IT'S CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND OR JOB CREATION. CERTAINLY IT CAN HAVE BOTH. BUT THIS IS A REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME REDEVELOPMENT IN A VERY AGED BUSINESS PARK AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, AGAIN, ALMOST $10 MILLION IN CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN THAT LOCATION.

AND THEN I'VE JUST PUT UP A SITE PLAN SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THAT DEVELOPMENT LAYS OUT. THE SECOND PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE ABERDEEN AND HAVRE DE GRACE ENTERPRISE ZONE,

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THIS IS NEARLY $22 MILLION CAPITAL INVESTMENT, 168,000FT■!. AND IT'S BEING BUILT ON SPEC.

SO BASED ON A FAIR MARKET ANALYSIS, ANTICIPATING ABOUT 30 NEW JOBS BASED ON THAT, THAT THAT SIZE SPACE, IT'S LOCATED IN COUNCIL DISTRICT F AND AGAIN, THE CITY OF HAVRE DE GRACE PASSED AN ORDINANCE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PRIOR TO COMING BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. WE HAVE SEEN SOME GOOD ACTIVITY ON THIS BUILDING. SO I THINK FROM THE PROSPECT REPORT FROM THE FROM THE LLC HAS BEEN VERY POSITIVE. AND IN FACT, EVEN SOME LOCAL ENTITIES LOOKING AT BEING ABLE TO MOVE IN THIS AS AN EXPANDED OPPORTUNITY. AGAIN, THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT, YOU CAN SEE THAT.

AND THEN OUR THIRD AND LAST PROPERTY THAT'S BEING PROPOSED THIS EVENING IS INGREDION, INC.

YOU MAY RECALL THEM PREVIOUSLY AS TIC GUMS. THEY SPECIALIZE IN DIFFERENT SPICES AND EMOLLIENTS.

AND THIS IS A CAPITAL INVESTMENT OF 9.45 MILLION, ABOUT 50,000FT■!S, PROPOSING 11 NEW JOBS. AND IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT F. THIS IS AN INTERESTING PROPOSAL AND THAT IT IS A VERTICAL EXPANSION. SO ABOUT 50,000FT■!S GOING UP. AND THE INTERESTING PIECE OF THIS IS IT WILL SUPPORT AN EXPANSION IN THEIR MANUFACTURING OPERATIONS, GOING FROM APPROXIMATELY 15% TO 35% AT THAT SITE. BECAUSE OF THE VERTICAL BUILD, IT DID NOT REQUIRE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE TYPICALLY REQUEST IN ADDITION TO THE APPLICATION OF EACH. AND AGAIN, A SITE PLAN. SO THESE WERE INTRODUCED BEFORE COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 21ST. TODAY I COME BEFORE YOU AS PUBLIC HEARING. AND THEN THE COUNCIL VOTE WOULD TAKE PLACE ON DECEMBER 2ND. AND OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE THIS SUBMITTED TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF ASSESSMENT AND TAXATION BY DECEMBER 22ND. THE INTENT FOR THAT, IT'S KIND OF AN AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE, BUT IT'S TO SUPPORT SPRING ASSESSMENT IN 26 FOR THE TAX BILLS IN JULY OF 2026. SO THIS IS A YEAR LONG PROCESS. WE HAVE AN OCTOBER 1ST CUT OFF DATE ANNUALLY TO BRING THESE BEFORE YOU TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT END OF YEAR DEADLINE AND PROCESS WITH STATE. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, KAREN COUNCIL. AS SHE SAID, MR. BENNETT, HELLO. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR MEETING THE OTHER WEEK TO GO THROUGH THIS WITH ME.

I THINK ALL THREE PROPERTIES MEET THE STANDARDS FOR QUALIFICATION FOR ENTERPRISE ZONE. I BELIEVE YOU SHARED WITH ME THAT THIS COMING SPRING IS WHEN IT WOULD COME TO RENEWAL FOR THE ABERDEEN HAVERTY GRACE ENTERPRISE ZONE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THE ABERDEEN HAVRE DE GRACE IS SET TO EXPIRE ON JUNE OF 2026, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A COMMITMENT IN APRIL IF WE WERE PLANNING TO RE DESIGNATE THAT THAT PROGRAM. AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY ENCOURAGE, JUST LIKE I DID WHEN WE MET, TO EITHER LOOK AT SUNSETTING THE ABERDEEN, HAVRE DE GRACE ENTERPRISE ZONE OR SHARPENING IT TO BE MORE HEAVILY FOCUSED ON THAT MUNICIPAL SPACE. RATHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT IN THE ABERDEEN HAVERTY GRACE ENTERPRISE ZONE THAT'S CURRENTLY GREEN SPACE WHERE NOTHING'S BEEN BUILT BEFORE.

AND I THINK IT'S BETTER USED LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IN THE BELCAMP BUSINESS PARK, IN THE BUSINESS PARK, WHERE IT'S ABOUT MAKING AN ALREADY INDUSTRIALIZED SPACE STRONGER VERSUS BUILDING OUT INTO OPEN SPACE. SO I HOPE THAT EITHER WE CAN SUNSET THE ENTERPRISE ZONE OR SHARPEN ITS BOUNDARIES TO REALLY HYPER FOCUS ON THOSE MUNICIPAL SPACES. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT INPUT. THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS ABOUT HAVING TO BE CONTIGUOUS SPACES.

WE CAN'T BREAK IT UP INTO BLOCKS, SO IT DOES HAVE TO FLOW, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LEANING INTO OUR LAND USE SUBCOMMITTEE AND ASKING FOR THEIR INPUT ON A REVIEW.

EXACTLY. DOING EXACTLY THAT, LOOKING AT THOSE BOUNDARIES AND SEEING WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

I'D ALSO ADD THAT IN ADDITION TO OUR INTENT TO EITHER MAKE MODIFICATIONS OR DO A REDESIGNATION, THIS OFTEN COMES UP BEFORE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN THE STATE. AS YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE GOOD INTENTION HERE WITH THE PROGRAM, BUT THE STATE COULD MAKE AN ULTIMATE DECISION. IT IS A STATE PROGRAM. YEAH.

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IT'S A IT'S A COMPLETE REDO. IT'S COMPLETELY REDO CONSTRUCTION ESSENTIALLY. OKAY.

SO I LIKE THAT BECAUSE THOSE SIZE BUILDINGS ARE NOT IN HIGH DEMAND BUT NOT IN LOW DEMAND TODAY. SO IT'S I'D RATHER SEE IT BE REPURPOSED AND USED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH 114,000FT■!S. WHAT'S THE TX BREAK THAT THEY GET? VERSUS IF IT WASN'T AN ENTERPRISE ZONE.

SO WHAT DOES THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. SO I'LL EXPLAIN THE PROCESS AND THEN I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO ROBBIE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO SOME SOLID. THERE WE GO. BUT IT'S A TEN YEAR TAX CREDIT THAT EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES WOULD RECEIVE. AND IT'S ON A SLIDING SCALE. SO FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS IT'S AN 80% TAX CREDIT. AND THEN IT GOES 70, 60, 50, 40, 30. I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THOUGH, IT ISN'T A TAX BREAK ON THEIR TAX BILL. IT'S A TAX BREAK ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THAT PROPERTY AT THE TIME PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT OR REINVESTMENT, AND THEN LOOKING AT THAT DIFFERENCE, AND IT'S A SLIDING SCALE ON THAT INVESTMENT. SO IF THE PROPERTY WAS WORTH 3 MILLION, THEY DID THE INVESTMENT. IT'S WORTH 6 MILLION. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY ON THE 6 MILLION. THEY'RE GOING TO PAY ON THE 3 MILLION.

CORRECT. ONLY ON THE NEW AND ONLY ON THE NEW INVESTMENT, AND THEN EVEN ON THE NEW INVESTMENT, WHERE THERE'S THE PROPERTY TAX CREDIT, WHICH KAREN EXPLAINED, THE STATE WILL REIMBURSE US FOR HALF OF IT. SO SO IN ESSENCE, YOU KNOW, IF THE THE COST OF THE CREDIT IS, IS $100,000, WE'RE ONLY PAYING FOR FOR 50 AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ON THE INCOME TAX SIDE.

THE STATE DOES. BUT OF COURSE, WE WOULD ALSO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUES, AS WELL AS INCOME TAX REVENUES FROM ANY OF THE NEW EMPLOYEES WHO WOULD HAPPEN TO LIVE IN HARFORD COUNTY. GOTCHA. SO, KAREN, ON THE ONE IN HAVRE DE GRACE, 168,000FT■!S, YOU SAID THEY'RE BUILDING ON SPEC. ARE THEY LOOKING TO HAVE ONE TENANT OR MULTIPLE TENANTS IN THERE? DO YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY ARE WILLING TO SUBDIVIDE. BUT THE PROSPECTING HAS BEEN VERY POSITIVE AND IT'S BEEN SINGLE TOWN, 168,000FT■!S. WHAT I FOUND IS THAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES ARE LOOKING FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE, ANYWHERE FROM 250,000 ON DOWN. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME BUSINESSES WANT 50,000, SOME BUSINESSES WANT 75, SOME WANT 200. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S HARD IN THE COUNTY TO FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU EITHER HAVE MEGA WAREHOUSES, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE MANY IN THE 250,000FT■!S AND BEW FOR THAT. SO I THINK THAT'S MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION. I MENTIONED THE LOCAL PROSPECTING OPPORTUNITIES, AND I'VE KIND OF DESCRIBED THIS IN THE PAST AS A HERMIT CRAB. YOU KNOW, WHEN IT OUTGROWS ITS SHELL, IT GOES ON ANOTHER SIDE, A BIGGER SIZE UP.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING WITH SOME OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO MOVE IN AND EXPAND IN THEIR FOOTPRINT HERE IN HARFORD COUNTY. AND TIC GUMS, WHICH IS AND THAT GOES UP, I LIKE THAT. WHAT WHAT IS IT THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THERE? DO YOU KNOW, IS IT A IT'S A IT'S A FOR THEIR MANUFACTURING LINE. BUT IT HAD SOME SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT AND THINGS THAT WILL NEED THEM TO GO HIGHER UP. THAT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE THAT OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. GIORDANO. ANYONE ELSE? COUNSEL. MISS DIXON, DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP? THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP, MR. PRESIDENT, WITH NO ONE SIGNED UP. THIS WILL CONCLUDE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR RESOLUTION ZERO 3525 THROUGH 3725. AND WE'LL TAKE THIS UP AT OUR NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU. THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. WE'RE GOE

[a. Zoning Board of Appeals Case No. 6032 (MW1 Properties LLC)]

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THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. I'M KEVIN ELDON, COUNSEL FOR M-1 PROPERTIES. THE APPLICANT WITH ME IS MIKE WATTS, THE OWNER OF MW ONE AND TWO, WHO OPERATES AT THE SITE. MIKE'S COMPANY IS A LOCAL DEFENSE CONTRACTOR. EMPLOYEES APPROXIMATELY 40 TO 60 EMPLOYEES IN HARFORD COUNTY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY APPROXIMATELY THREE YEARS AGO. PURCHASE IT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. LEASED IT FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS. I'M SORRY. COULD YOU PULL YOUR MIC? YES.

SORRY. OPERATES OUT OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S HIS. BASICALLY HIS STAGING AND EQUIPMENT AREA.

OTHER OFFICE SPACE IN THE COUNTY. THE APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED, I BELIEVE, IN JUNE OR JULY, FOR A VARIANCE FOR A FLAGPOLE OF 40FT. THE CURRENT COUNTY CODE ALLOWS FLAGPOLES UP TO 30FT, BUT BASED ON THE PROPERTY, LOCATION AND THE BUSINESS THE SITE OF THE PROPERTY, HE FELT THAT 40FT WOULD BE MORE VISIBLE TO BOTH THE PUBLIC AND HIS CLIENTS. HE HAS A LOT OF GOVERNMENT CLIENTS, OBVIOUSLY, THAT WORK ON ABERDEEN AND THE BASE THAT TRAVEL UP AND DOWN ROUTE 40, SO KNOWING WHAT THE CODE WAS, WE DECIDED TO FILE FOR A VARIANCE FOR A 40 FOOT FLAGPOLE. WE HAD THE HEARING IN AUGUST, I BELIEVE. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF THE TRANSCRIPT AT THE HEARING BASICALLY PRESENTED OUR CASE AS TO THE CRITERIA OF THE VARIANCE. AND THE STATUTE IS FAIRLY CLEAR. THERE'S THERE'S TWO CONDITIONS TO SATISFY FOR VARIANCE. ONE IS THAT BY REASON OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE PROPERTY OR TOPOGRAPHICAL CONDITIONS, THE LITERAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE CODE WOULD RESULT IN EITHER PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY OR AN UNREASONABLE HARDSHIP. I THINK WE CHOSE TO FOCUS ON THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY OF A OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT BUILDING A 30 FOOT FLAGPOLE VERSUS A 40 FOOT FLAGPOLE, AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE VISIBILITY. THE SECOND CONDITION OF A VARIANCE IS THE VARIANCE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY DETRIMENTAL TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR MATERIALLY IMPAIR THE PURPOSE OF THE CODE OR THE PUBLIC INTEREST WE HAD. OBVIOUSLY, WE WENT THROUGH THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS OF THE VARIANCE. WE TALKED TO THE LOCAL NEIGHBORS. THERE WAS NO OBJECTION. NOBODY SHOWED UP TO HEARING. THERE'S BEEN NO PUBLIC PUSHBACK AS TO THE THE FLAGPOLE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT I THINK THAT THAT CRITERIA HAS BEEN SATISFIED. SO IN THE HEARING TRANSCRIPT, AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY, AND WE'RE COMING TO THE COUNCIL TODAY FOR SOME ADDITIONAL RELIEF. THE HEARING EXAMINER, THEIR VIEW IS THAT IT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, THE THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT ON THE FLAGPOLE DOES NOT REALLY CONSTITUTE AN UNREASONABLE HARDSHIP OF THE PROPERTY OR A PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY, YOU KNOW, LOGICALLY, I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE AND THE REASONING. I DON'T THINK IT'S COMPLETELY OFF BASE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESSES IN HARFORD COUNTY. ACTUALLY, I THINK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, MISSION BARBECUE, THE HARLEY-DAVIDSON DEALER. AND I THINK THERE'S ONE OTHER RESTAURANT, YEAH, THAT THAT HAVE FLAGPOLES. I THINK, WELL, IN EXCESS OF 50FT. WE, WE SEARCHED THE VARIANCE FILES IN THE COUNTY ON THAT. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. I MAY HAVE ACTUALLY MISSED IT, BUT AGAIN, WE DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST. WE DON'T THINK IT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS. IT'S NOT DETRIMENT TO THE TO THE LOCAL SURROUNDS. IT FITS WITHIN THE CODE. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD

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ONE OF MIKE'S EMPLOYEES, PAT PENCILS HERE AS WELL. HE ACTUALLY WAS AT THE AT THE HEARING. I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN. HE TESTIFIED AT THE HEARING. THEY HE HE CAN'T SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT HE ALREADY SAID AT THE HEARING. OKAY. SO WHATEVER'S IN THE TRANSCRIPT, THEY CERTAINLY HAVE AND THEY HAVE HIS TESTIMONY FROM THE TRANSCRIPT. BUT YOU CAN'T GO OUTSIDE OF THAT EITHER. OKAY. BUT HE'S WELCOME TO SPEAK HERE TONIGHT, AS LONG AS HE STICKS TO EXACTLY WITHIN THE TRANSCRIPT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. I MEAN, WE HAVE YOU CAN'T GO BEYOND THAT. SO YOU JUST HAVE TO WATCH THAT AND SAY A FEW WORDS, PLEASE. YEAH. AND HERE'S THE TRANSCRIPT FOR RECORD. YEAH. HE'S IN THE BEGINNING. THE FIRST COUPLE PAGES. HE WAS THERE A FEW MINUTES. SO YEAH. I MEAN, JUST TO REEMPHASIZE I WAS HERE BEFORE AND JUST TALKING LIKE I THINK WHAT I TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IS WHAT WE DO IT IS IT KIND OF OUR CLIENTELE IS THE IS THE MILITARY DEFINITELY SPEAKS TO THAT. AND IT SETS US APART BECAUSE LIKE, WE'RE IN COMPETITION WITH A LOT OF LARGE COMPANIES, KHAKI, LOCKHEED MARTIN. IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BASICALLY TO HELP LIKE THE SEE THE GOVERNMENT TO HELP THE BASE. LIKE SORRY ABOUT THAT A LITTLE NERVOUS. THAT'S OKAY. I MEAN, HOW WE LOOK AT IT IS OUR NUMBER ONE PARTNER. IS THE MILITARY SEEING THEM COME? DEFINITELY. THEY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE LIKE EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'RE JUST ROLLING OUT FLAGS, JUST PUTTING THEM UP ON ANYTHING WE CAN JUST TO SET US APART TO KIND OF SHOW LIKE, HEY, YOU'RE YOU'RE OUR NUMBER ONE BUSINESS PARTNER. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. AND TO KIND OF FURTHER THAT THE THE TRANSCRIPT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SORT OF TOPOGRAPHY OF THE OF THE PROPERTY, THE BUILDING THERE IS WHERE THERE ARE, I THINK, TWO WAREHOUSES CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY. AND BASED ON THE HEIGHT OF THE WAREHOUSES, IT'S THREE, ROUGHLY THREE AND A HALF ACRE PROPERTY. THERE'S THERE'S THE WAREHOUSES AND THEN THERE'S TREES. SO WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, BASED BASED ON WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THE FLAG TO GET IT OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, TO GET IT ONTO THE PROPERTY. THE 40FT WOULD ASSIST IN KIND OF RAISING IT ABOVE BOTH THE BUILDINGS AND THE TREES AND REALLY GIVING IT THAT VISIBILITY THAT THEY FEEL THAT THEY NEED. YOU KNOW, ONE OBVIOUSLY FOR THEIR CLIENTS. BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE A MILITARY CONTRACT VETERANS. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM. AND SO WE'RE HERE TO, YOU KNOW, ASK FOR SOME PRACTICAL RELIEF AND AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE. NO, I MEAN I THINK THE ORIGINAL HEARING, YOU KNOW, THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF LAYING OUT SORT OF THE, THE ARGUMENT OR THE FACTS, IF YOU WILL. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST HERE TO SUPPLEMENT THAT AND CERTAINLY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE. NOW WE APPRECIATE IT. COUNSEL. ANY QUESTIONS. WE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION AND APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE WITHIN THE MILITARY SUPPORTING OUR MILITARY, BUT WITH NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM YOU OR MY COLLEAGUES, THIS WILL GO AHEAD

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. YES YOU'RE READY. CHAIR CALLS THE

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

[5. CONSIDERATION OF PETITIONS, APPLICATIONS, APPOINTMENTS AND NOMINATIONS]

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, IF I MAY? GO AHEAD. MISS ROBERT, I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M ON THE COMMISSION OF DISABILITY. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY WELCOME TO THOSE WHO HAVE APPLIED. AND I THINK THERE'LL BE A GREAT ASSET TO OUR COMMISSION. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE, MISS DIXON? MR. PRESIDENT, I MISS ROBERT I, MISSUS EMHOFF, I MR. GIORDANO I MR. RILEY I MISSUS SEIDEL I MR. BENNETT I THERE BEING SEVEN VOTES IN AFFIRMATIVE ZERO OR NEGATIVE. THE APPOINTMENTS ARE HEREBY APPROVED. I KNOW MR. BUTTON'S IN THE AUDIENCE. IS MR. DELCO HERE AS WELL? MR. BUTTON, WOULD YOU STAND UP AND BE RECOGNIZED, PLEASE? AGENDA NUMBER SIX, SPECIAL

[7. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? THERE BEING NO CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES

[8. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTIONS (Part 1 of 2)]

RESOLUTIONS ZERO 1525 THROUGH ZERO 3325. AG PRESERVATION PLEASE. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTIONS 1525 THROUGH ZERO. 33 DASH 25. MAY I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? THANK YOU, MR. RILEY. IT'S BEEN MOVED. AND SECOND, TO APPROVE THE AG PRESERVATION RESOLUTIONS.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, MR. GIORDANO? SO I THINK THIS IS MAYBE THE SECOND, SECOND OR THIRD YEAR NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE REVISED AGRICULTURAL PRESERVATION AND AGRICULTURAL PRESERVATION THAT THEY WORKED ON. I THINK IT'S A IT'S A GOOD IMPROVEMENT, BRINGS IN SOME PROPERTIES TO GIVE SOME EXTRA MONEY, SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE MORE VALUABLE. SO DEFINITELY LOOKS LIKE IT'S WORKING WELL. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO WORKED ON THAT AND GLAD WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. ANYONE ELSE? I WOULD JUST ECHO THE SAME SENTIMENTS.

THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS TO PROTECT OUR BEST SOILS SO THAT OUR YOUNG GENERATIONS OF FARMERS HAVE LAND TO FARM INTO GENERATIONS TO COME. MISS DIXON, MR. PRESIDENT. HI, THIS IS ROBERT I, MRS. EMHOFF, I MR. GIORDANO, I MR. RILEY I MRS. I MR. BENNETT I THERE BEING SEVEN

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[11. CALL FOR FINAL READING OF BILLS]

AND HE SAID, DEAR COUNCILMAN BENNETT, IN 2010, BALTIMORE COUNTY'S CHARTER WAS AMENDED TO ALLOW FOR BINDING ARBITRATION WHEN THERE ARE DISPUTES CONCERNING WAGES, HOURS AND OTHER TERMS OF EMPLOYMENT FOR MERIT SYSTEM EMPLOYEES. THE CHARTER CHANGE PROHIBITS STRIKES OR WORK STOPPAGES FOR THESE EMPLOYEES. I WAS A CANDIDATE FOR THE BALTIMORE COUNTY COUNCIL IN THE ELECTION WHEN VOTERS AUTHORIZED THIS CHANGE, QUESTION A WAS PASSED WITH 69% OF THE VOTE, AN AREAS WHERE BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS DO WELL. I SUPPORTED QUESTION A I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER A SYSTEM OF BINDING ARBITRATION MIGHT LEAD TO TAX INCREASES. BINDING ARBITRATION HAS NEVER CAUSED A TAX INCREASE IN BALTIMORE COUNTY, WHICH I WOULD HAVE OPPOSED IF EVER DISCUSSED.

INSTEAD, I BELIEVE BINDING ARBITRATION HAS BEEN A GOOD TOOL AS WE TRY TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF LABOR AND OF MANAGEMENT. I ALSO APPRECIATE THE WORK STOPPAGES ARE PROHIBITED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS. WE HAVE SEEN PUBLIC SAFETY AND OTHER VITAL FUNCTIONS OF GOVERNMENT PARALYZED BY STRIKES. THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN BALTIMORE COUNTY.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE. RESPECT.

RESPECTFULLY. DAVID MARKS, BALTIMORE COUNTY COUNCIL, I APPRECIATE HIS REMARKS AND

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INTEREST ARBITRATION IS WHERE PARTIES NEGOTIATING EITHER FULL CONTRACT OR UNSPECIFIED ISSUE REACHES AN IMPASSE AND SUBMIT THEIR PROPOSALS TO AN ARBITRATOR FOR THE ARBITRATOR TO DECIDE WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS. I THINK I'M CONCERNED AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM BUSINESS PEOPLE, AS WELL AS PEOPLE THAT HAVE UNIONS IN THEIR SHOPS AND EVERYTHING OUTSIDE AND INSIDE, IS THAT THIS OPENS UP THE FLOODGATES. WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IN THIS OR DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS, IT JUST OPENS THINGS UP. THERE'S LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE I HAVE HERE. SO I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BILL. I THINK THERE'S I GUESS BOTH COUNCIL PEOPLE ARE FOR IT AND BOTH COUNCIL PEOPLE ARE AGAINST IT. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. COUNCIL PRESIDENT. THANK YOU.

MR. MR. RILEY, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A WAY TO TO DEAL WITH UNRESOLVED DISPUTES WITH THE NEUTRAL THIRD PARTY, AND THAT'S THE PERSONNEL ADVISORY BOARD, AND THAT'S HARTFORD COUNTY CITIZENS. THAT'S THE CITIZENS THAT GET TO DECIDE WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND WHAT THE OUTCOMES MIGHT BE. I THINK YOU'RE TAKING IT OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE HARTFORD COUNTY CITIZENS, AND ALSO TAKING IT OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE HAVE A A ROLE IN APPOINTING THESE HARTFORD COUNTY CITIZENS TO THE PERSONNEL ADVISORY BOARD. SO I ALSO WILL BE A NO ON THIS BILL. AND ONE THING THAT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO DO IS IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE MONEY. IT'S NOT A LEASE, IT'S NOT A LESS EXPENSIVE WAY TO DO BUSINESS HERE IN HARFORD COUNTY. THANK YOU, MR. RILEY. MR. ROBERTS, SO MY UNDERSTANDING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE DONE MY OWN RESEARCH AND I'VE MET WITH DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS AND ATTORNEYS AND I'VE WORKED IN THE COURT SYSTEM. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STICKS IN MY MIND IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS A GRIEVANCE PROCESS. AND THERE ARE THOSE FOUR STEPS. AND WHAT IS BEING ASKED FOR IS KIND OF ADDING THAT FIFTH STEP AND THAT FIFTH STEP IN A CASE WHERE ALL ELSE FAILS AND NORMALCY, YOU KNOW, MEDIATION. AND AS A TRAINED MEDIATOR, MOST THINGS GET RESOLVED. BUT THIS IS THE STOPGAP WHEN WE HAVE BINDING ARBITRATION, WHEN THERE ARE ISSUES THAT CANNOT BE RESOLVED AND IT IS IMPEDING ON A CONTRACT BETWEEN TWO PLACES, INDIVIDUALS, ORGANIZATIONS OR COMPANIES. AND SO THAT IS FAIR FOR OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT SAME SYSTEM AS OTHER AGENCIES LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE THE USE OF BINDING ARBITRATION. AND THAT IS WHY I AM FOR IT. THANK YOU, MISS ROBERT. SO I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE IN HARFORD COUNTY, THE DEDICATED EMPLOYEES IN HARFORD COUNTY, THE ONES THAT GET OUT OF BED 24 OVER SEVEN WHEN THERE'S A NEED, WHETHER IT BE A TREE ACROSS THE ROAD, WHETHER IT BE A EMERGENCY

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MISS ALLEGY, WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO DO IS GIVE US THE FACTS, STRAIGHT FACTS, WHAT THIS BILL DOES AND WHAT THIS BILL DOES NOT DO. SURE. AND I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER BENNETT DID A GREAT JOB AT THE PUBLIC HEARING OUTLINING EXACTLY THAT. SO IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. AND SO DID MISS ROBERT. MEGAN, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU PULL MY SORRY REPORTING? I'M USED TO BEING LOUD. OKAY? I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO LOUD. IS THAT GOOD? YEP. SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ADDS LANGUAGE TO WHAT IT DOESN'T DO. FIRST OF ALL IS ADD ANYTHING TO THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS.

NEGOTIATION PROCESS IS OUTLINED IN 30 8-8. THAT IS A PROCESS THAT IS ALREADY FILLED WITH DEADLINES, DATES, AND EXACTLY WHO SITS AT THE TABLE TO NEGOTIATE THESE MEMORANDUMS OF AGREEMENT. AND THAT IS THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND THE UNIONS. AND THERE ARE DEADLINES. THERE IS ALSO A FACT FINDER IN THAT PROCESS. THERE'S ALSO A NON-BINDING ARBITRATOR IN THAT PROCESS. SO IF THEY CANNOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON TERMS, THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS THAT THAT GOES THROUGH TO EVENTUALLY GET TO A SIGNED, SEALED AND DELIVERED MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT. NOTHING IS CHANGING WITH THAT PROCESS. THIS BINDING ARBITRATOR DOES NOT HAVE A SEAT AT THAT TABLE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM THAT SECTION. WHAT WAS ADDED TO THIS BILL REGARDING ENFORCEMENT OF THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT IS NOT IN THAT SECTION, AND IT'S NOT TOUCHING THAT SECTION. WHAT THIS IS DOING IS SAYING, ONCE YOU'VE GOT A SIGNED, SEALED, DELIVERED MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND THE UNIONS ONLY WILL BE NEGOTIATING IF THERE IS A BREACH. RIGHT NOW, OUR CODE IS SILENT AS TO HOW TO DEAL WITH BREACHES OF THE AGREEMENT. THE CHARTER IN 607 DEALS WITH THINGS THAT EXCLUSIVELY ARE THE JURISDICTION OF THE PAB. WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY OF THAT AWAY. AND THE BILL EVEN SAYS EXCEPT FOR 607 OF THE CHARTER, THAT IS THEIR JURISDICTION. ARTICLE FOUR OF THE CURRENT CODE IN CHAPTER 38 ALSO HANDLES DISCIPLINARY GRIEVANCES. AND THAT IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE ARTICLE OF THE CODE THAT IS STILL BEING HANDLED THE WAY THE CODE OUTLINES THROUGH THAT HIERARCHY. AND THIS WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DISCIPLINARY GRIEVANCES, BUT BECAUSE THE CODE IS SILENT ON GRIEVANCES WITH BREACHES OF THE AGREEMENT, MOST OF THE UNION CONTRACTS HAVE IN THERE THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE TREATED THE SAME WAY DISCIPLINARY GRIEVANCES ARE TREATED, WHICH IS IT GOES TO THE SUPERVISOR, WHICH IS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE. THEN IT GOES TO THE DIRECTOR OF HR, WHICH IS A COUNTY APPOINTEE.

THEN IT GOES TO THE PAB, WHICH OUR CITIZENS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND CONFIRMED BY THE COUNCIL. THAT'S WHERE IT STOPS. NOW, THE PAB DECISION IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY AND IT CAN BE APPEALED TO THE CIRCUIT COURT. WHAT THIS DOES IS ONCE ALL THAT HAS HAPPENED AFTER, IF THERE'S AN ALLEGED BREACH, THIS WOULD ADD POTENTIALLY A FINAL STEP INSTEAD OF GOING TO COURT, WHICH IS CERTAINLY COSTLY. AND THAT'S NOT FREE EITHER. THIS WOULD GO TO BINDING ARBITRATION. IF THE PARTIES CAN'T GET THIS RESOLVED AFTER THAT STAGE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS DOES. AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER PIECE TO THIS, WHICH NOBODY'S TALKING THAT MUCH ABOUT. BUT THE OTHER PIECE IS ADDING THAT LANGUAGE IN THE NEGOTIATION SECTION ABOUT PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CODE, WHICH CAN ALWAYS HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, ANYBODY CAN GO TO THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE, ANYBODY CAN GO TO THE COUNCIL, ASK FOR YOU GUYS TO THINK ABOUT LEGISLATION. BUT THAT IS THE OTHER PIECE TO THIS BILL. BUT THAT THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL. AND I THINK THAT WAS PRESENTED QUITE WELL BY COUNCILMAN BENNETT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. LEGGIT. MR. RILEY. SO YOU'RE SAYING AFTER COURT AFTER THE. NO, NO, BEFORE COURT, CORRECT. IT'S IN PLACE OF COURT. I GOT IT, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH.

OKAY. AND HERE'S AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING. AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR COUNCIL MEMBER BENNETT. BUT ALL OF THOSE DETAILS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TIMING. YOU KNOW, HOW MANY DAYS DO YOU HAVE AFTER THE PAB TO REQUEST BINDING ARBITRATION? HOW IS THE BINDING ARBITRATOR SELECTED? WHO PAYS FOR IT? THOSE ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE IN THE BILL, BECAUSE I BELIEVE HE FEELS THAT THAT SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO THE PARTIES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE NEGOTIATING THE AGREEMENT. THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN THAT THE UNION SHOULD HAVE A SAY IN THAT.

SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE FOUND IN EVERYDAY CONTRACTS ALL THE TIME THAT WOULD BE OUTLINED THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE BINDING ARBITRATION, WHICH WOULD BE NO COURT. THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT. YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO THEN APPEAL THAT IT IS BINDING, WHICH IS WHICH IS THE PURPOSE, I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S THERE'S NOT LIKE NO COST FOR THAT BECAUSE OKAY. CORRECT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. BUT BUT I THINK BUT IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO SAY THAT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO POTENTIAL COST. BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO COURT AND YOU APPEAL A PAB, THERE'S CERTAINLY A COST. BUT THERE WILL THERE'S DEFINITELY A COST TO AN ARBITRATOR. ABSOLUTELY. WHICH IS MORE CASE BY CASE BASIS. I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GOT A COURT CASE AND ATTORNEYS THAT CAN BE VERY EXPENSIVE, IF YOU HAVE AN ARBITRATOR THAT'S LOOKING AT

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I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. OH IF YOU'RE BEING SUSPENDED FOR DISCIPLINARY ACTION THIS IS THIS DOES NOT COME INTO PLAY. IT DOES NOT GO TO THE ARBITRATOR. CORRECT. THAT IS STILL ARTICLE FOUR WHICH OUTLINES EVERYTHING I JUST SAID. AND 607 OF THE, OF THE CODE.

THAT IS WHAT HANDLES DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS. AND THIS IS NOT TOUCHING THAT WHAT IS SILENT IN OUR CODE IS THERE IS NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT HOW YOU HANDLE GRIEVANCES FOR A BREACH OF THE CONTRACT, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN A DISCIPLINARY ACTION THAT IS STILL. OH, I GOT THAT. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION AND AND AND I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT. AND YOUR COUNSEL IS THAT THIS DID HAVE SOMETHING. ABSOLUTELY NOT. THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ARTICLE OF THE CODE. THIS IS ARTICLE ONE, LABOR RELATIONS. ARTICLE FOUR, IF YOU LOOK IS CLASSIFIED SERVICES AND THAT IS DISCIPLINARY GRIEVANCES I GOT IT. IT'S ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU MEGAN. THERE'S MORE. WE KEEP TALKING. I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT I OWN TWO SMALL BUSINESSES AND I DEAL WITH CONTRACTS EVERY SINGLE DAY. EVERY SINGLE CONTRACT THAT I DEAL WITH HAS ARBITRATION IN IT. AND IF YOU BREACH THE CONTRACT, YOU NEED TO GO TO ARBITRATION.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE. IF YOU DON'T BREACH IT, YOU DON'T GO TO ARBITRATION. SO FOR THAT I WILL SUPPORT THIS BILL. THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT. YEAH. AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT BINDING ARBITRATION IS AN EXTREMELY RARE PROCESS TO EVEN GET TO IN LABOR RELATIONS. YOUR GOAL IS TO SOLVE THINGS AT THE LOWEST LEVEL. BUT ONE THING THAT BINDING ARBITRATION DOES IN BEING CHEAPER THAN GOING TO COURT IS IT LOWERS THE BARRIER TO TAKE IT TO ANOTHER STEP, AND BY LOWERING THE BARRIER, IT BALANCES THE POWER BETWEEN EMPLOYEES AND EMPLOYER, WHERE EMPLOYER DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE ALL THE CHIPS IN THEIR POCKET AND CAN SAY, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? TAKE ME TO COURT? WELL, NOW THERE'S A MORE REASONABLE PROCESS TO GO TO WHERE YOU CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WILL GO TO BINDING ARBITRATION, WE WILL GO TO IMPASSE. IF YOU DON'T COME TO RECOGNIZING WHAT OUR CONTRACT SAYS. SO THAT BALANCE OF POWER ENSURES THAT EMPLOYEES HAVE THEIR CONTRACT FOLLOWED. AND THAT'S REALLY ALL THIS IS ABOUT, IS ENSURING OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES KNOW THAT WHEN WE TELL THEM THAT YOUR CONTRACT SAYS THIS OR THAT CONTRACT IS NOT A SUGGESTION, IT'S A PROMISE, AND THAT WE HONOR THAT PROMISE. SO I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT THIS WILL PASS TONIGHT, MR. RILEY. YEAH. MEGAN, I HATE TO, BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE I WAS TOLD WRONG. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU WOULD KNOW WHERE THE CONTRACT WAS BREACHED, SO TO SPEAK, AND WE WERE HAVING THIS CONFLICT. CAN YOU GIVE ME WHERE IN THE LIKE AN ACTUAL EXAMPLE OF WHEN. YEAH. CAN YOU GIVE ME A HYPOTHETICAL WHERE I THINK A HYPOTHETICAL IS PROBABLY, I WOULD SAY LUNCH BREAKS OR BREAKS IN GENERAL? WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN THE CONTRACTS, WHETHER IT'S THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WORK A DIFFERENT SHIFT AND THEY ONLY HAVE A HALF HOUR LUNCH, OR THERE'S PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN HOUR LUNCH, MAYBE THEY ALSO GET HALF HOUR LUNCH, TWO 15 MINUTE BREAKS. I'M MAKING THAT UP BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE CONTRACT, BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE. SO WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS THE EMPLOYEE THINKS THAT THEY HAVE HALF HOUR, AN HOUR LONG LUNCH AND NO BREAKS, AND THEY'RE COMING BACK AND THEY'RE GETTING DOCKED BY THEIR SUPERVISOR BECAUSE HE'S SAYING YOU ONLY HAD A HALF HOUR LUNCH. YOU'VE BEEN COMING IN AN HALF HOUR LATE. NO, MY CONTRACT SAYS I HAVE AN HOUR LONG LUNCH.

THAT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE. THE SUPERVISOR SAYS NO, IT IT SAYS THIS. WHATEVER GOES TO THE

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IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND TO APPROVE BILL 25 ZERO 13. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, MR. BENNETT, I THINK THAT WHAT THIS BILL DOES IS IMPORTANT AND GOOD. I ALSO THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE TAKE THE STEP FORWARD TO MAKE THIS A PERMANENT PART OF THE CODE AND NO LONGER KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. SO MY REQUEST TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IS THAT WE GET THAT WORK DONE IN THE NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE IF IT'S ANOTHER ONE YEAR TEMPORARY STOPGAP NEXT YEAR, I WILL VOTE NO NEXT YEAR.

OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? MISS DIXON? THANK TONY. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. NO, NO, I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. AND IF, UNFORTUNATELY, IF THEY DON'T GET TO IT NEXT YEAR, I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BUSINESSES. THEY NEED IT. SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE SOMETHING AWAY FROM FROM THEM. EVEN IF THE COUNTY DOESN'T APPROVE IT.

IT'S IMPORTANT AND IT NEEDS TO STAY, HOPEFULLY PERMANENTLY. BUT I WON'T DISREGARD THAT NEXT YEAR IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. WELL, NOW, NOW THAT YOU SAID THAT, I FEEL LIKE I GOT TO SAY SOMETHING TO THIS. ISN'T THIS IS IMPORTANT TO OUR BUSINESSES. WE HAVE SEEN IT OVER THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE MADE PERMANENT. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT LONG ENOUGH. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO WORK WITH. PLANNING AND ZONING AND ALSO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO GET THIS DONE. MISS DIXON. MR. PRESIDENT, HI, MRS. ROBERTS, MRS. EMHOFF, MR. GIORDANO, MR. RILEY, MRS. HI, MR. BENNETT I FOR BEING SEVEN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, ZERO IN A NEGATIVE. BILL 2513 IS HEREBY APPROVED.

BILL 25 OH 14, APPROVAL OF MULTI-YEAR FLEET SERVICE AGREEMENT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE BILL 2514. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? THANK YOU, MR. RILEY. IT'S BEEN MOVED. AND SECOND TO APPROVE. BILL 25 ZERO 14. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I BELIEVE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DID A GREAT JOB IN FILLING US IN ON THE PARTICULARS OF THE AGREEMENT. IT'S A COMPANY THAT WE HAVE DONE BUSINESS WITH FOR MULTIPLE YEARS, AND LOOK FORWARD TO DOING MORE IN THE FUTURE. MISS DIXON, MR. PRESIDENT. HI, MRS. ROBERTS. HI, MRS. EMHOFF. HI, MR. GIORDANO. HI, MR. RILEY. HI, MRS. HI, MR. BENNETT. HI THERE. BEING SEVEN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, ZERO TO NEGATIVE. BILL 2514 IS HEREBY APPROVED. BILL 25 ZERO 15, SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION. FOSTER BRANCH MAY HAVE A MOTION.

COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE BILL 25 DASH 15. THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? THANK YOU, MR. RILEY. IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE BILL 25 ZERO 15. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST MISS ROBERT. YES. I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M GRATEFUL FOR IT.

THAT IS IN MY DISTRICT. AND I KNOW MY CONSTITUENTS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOME ASSISTANCE WITH THIS MATTER, SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE IT. THANK YOU, MISS ROBERT. MISS DIXON, MR. PRESIDENT. HI, MRS. ROBERTS. HI, MRS. EMHOFF. HI, MR. GIORDANO. HI, MR. RILEY. HI, MRS. HI, MR. BENNETT. HI. THERE. BEING SEVEN VOTES IN AFFIRMATIVE ZERO AND A NEGATIVE BILL 25 OH 15 IS

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[8. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTIONS (Part 2 of 2)]

RESOLUTION ZERO 3925 CAPITAL PROGRAM CHANGES. FOSTER BRANCH. MAY I HAVE A MOTION? COUNCIL PRESIDENT I MOVE TO APPROVE RESOLUTION ZERO 3925. THANK YOU. MAY HAVE A SECOND. THANK YOU, MR. RILEY. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE RESOLUTION ZERO 3925. MISS ALLEGY, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE JUMPING ALL OVER THE PLACE TONIGHT? YES. SO THE THE CAPITAL, THE APPROPRIATION FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECT REQUIRES A BILL AND A RESOLUTION. SO THE THE BILL HAS

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HI, MRS. ROBERT. HI, MRS. EMHOFF. HI, MR. GIORDANO. HI, MR. RILEY. HI, MRS. HI, MR. BENNETT. HI THERE. BEING SEVEN VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, ZERO IN A NEGATIVE RESOLUTION, 3925 IS HEREBY APPROVED. 13 UNFINISHED BUSINESS. WE HAVE NONE. NOW. WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE GOOD. NINE AND TEN. INTRODUCTION OF BILLS. AND I MEAN, THERE AREN'T ANY, BUT. NO, I MUST HAVE SKIPPED THEM. BUT THERE IS NOTHING LIKE YOU SAID. THAT'S WHY I JUST WANT TO.

AGENDAS NUMBER NINE AND TEN HAVE NOTHING THIS EVENING. OKAY? NOW GO TO 14. NEW BUSINESS

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COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT. THANK YOU. MAY HAVE A SECOND. SECOND.

THANK YOU, MR. RILEY. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. HEARING NONE. MISS DIXON, MR. PRESIDENT. HI, MRS. EMHOFF, MRS. ROBERTS, HI, MRS. EMHOFF. HI, MR. GIORDANO. HI, MR. RILEY. HI, MRS. WILSON. HI, MR. BENNET.

I BEING SEVEN VOTES IN AFFIRMATIVE, ZERO IN A NEGATIVE REQUEST TO APPROVE SETTLEMENT

[17. COMMENTS AND INPUT FROM ATTENDING CITIZENS]

OH, I DON'T MOVE TOO FAST. TAKE YOUR TIME. I CAN'T SHOW YOU ANY PREFERENCE, YOU KNOW. I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO I CAN COVER EVERYTHING. I WANT IT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. GOOD EVENING, MR. PIERCE. YES? I NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, WILBUR BROWN PIERCE, 117 FORDS LANE, PERRYMAN. FOR 67 YEARS. I MISSED THE MEETING LAST WEEK.

LAST WEDNESDAY ABOUT THE FUTURE ROAD UPGRADE. WHY? BETTY, MY WIFE AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. WE SHOULD HAVE SEEN AN OFFICIAL NOTICE ON THE BULLETIN BOARD AT THE PERRYMAN POST OFFICE, OR AN AD IN OUR LOCAL PAPER. MY MAIN ISSUES WITH THE ROAD UPGRADE WERE FOOT, BIKE AND SCOOTER TRAFFIC FROM THE BUS STOP ALONG ROUTE 40 ALL THE WAY THROUGH PERRYMAN GARDENS APARTMENTS AND ON TO THE PERRYMAN GROCERY STORE. JUST LAST FRIDAY EVENING, ABOUT 5:00, I ALMOST HIT A PERSON WALKING ON THE DARK, CURVING BRIDGE ON SUTURE ROAD. THAT'S THE MOST DANGEROUS SECTION ON THE ENTIRE ROUTE. THE STUDY AND IMPROVEMENTS SHOULD INCLUDE THE ENTIRE STRETCH FROM ROUTE 40 TO THE GROCERY STORE, NOT JUST PART OF IT. THE SECOND ISSUE IS WITH THE GPS SYSTEMS. TELL THE TRUCKS TO USE THE SUTURE ROAD. THAT'S THE SHORTEST AND MOST DIRECT ROUTE THAT SAVES THE TRUCKERS MONEY AND TIME. IT DOESN'T. SOMEONE IN THE COUNTY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO GET THE GPS AMENDED, SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.

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BETTY AND I DECIDED TO TACKLE THE PROJECT, TRY TO CONTACT THE APPROPRIATE AUTHORITIES TO GET PERMISSION TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WE FINALLY HAD REVEREND MARK STEVEN FROM THE DIOCESE EPISCOPAL DIOCESE OF BALTIMORE COME OUT AND VISIT US, AND HE GAVE US PERMISSION TO CLEAN THE MESS UP. WE GOT CLEAR TREE TO DO THAT. AFTER THAT MESS WAS CLEANED UP BEHIND IT WAS A BIGGER MESS. TWO GIANT TREES THAT HAD APPARENTLY BEEN KILLED BY LIGHTNING AND A TREMENDOUS BRUSH PILE. WE GOT HIS PERMISSION TO CLEAN THAT ALSO UP. OUR BUDGET IS EXCEEDING ALREADY. NEXT, AFTER WE GOT THOSE TWO PROJECTS CLEANED UP, WE DECIDED WE NEEDED A LITTLE VEGETATION. SO WE DECIDED TO PUT TWO BIG HOLLY TREES AND SOME PLANTS TO ACT AS A BUFFER ALONG ALONG THE ROAD. WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY WHEN NO ONE ELSE WOULD STEP FORWARD. OUR ABILITY TO DO IT WAS AIDED BY CAT, IBM, AND LILLY. WE APPRECIATE THEIR HELP TOO. THANK YOU, MR. PIERCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU DID.

[16. BUSINESS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS]

SO REALLY, REALLY GOOD TURNOUT. MY CONDOLENCES TO THE TO CHUCK BOYLES FAMILY AND JESSICA TO

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UPCOMING IS HARFORD COUNTY FARM BANQUET ANNUAL MEETING THIS FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 21ST. HARFORD COUNTY TOWN OF BEL AIR WILL BE CLOSED THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 27TH FOR THANKSGIVING AND FRIDAY THE 28TH. THE CHRISTMAS TRAIN GARDEN THAT USED TO BE IN THE ARMORY IS NOW AT MOUNT ARARAT MASONIC LODGE, AND THAT IS GOING TO BE OPEN FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT BEFORE, IT'S IT'S PHENOMENAL. I LOVE THAT. AND THEN SMALL BUSINESS SATURDAY IS NOVEMBER 29TH. SO SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. AND I'D LIKE TO WISH EVERYBODY A HAPPY THANKSGIVING. DON'T EAT TOO MUCH, DON'T WATCH TOO MUCH FOOTBALL AND HAVE HAVE A GOOD TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. JORDAN AND MR. RILEY. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE AMBER RHODES AND MARY HASLETT AND THE REST OF THE CREW FOR THE HARFORD COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY GALA IS OFF THE CHARTS. ALSO, I WANT TO GIVE CONDOLENCES TO MY COLLEAGUE HERE, JESSICA, WHO DID LOSE HER UNCLE, CHUCK BOYLE. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF KNOWING HIM. HE'LL BE MISSED BY SO MANY IN THE COMMUNITY. HE DID A LOT FOR US. AND AGAIN, HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO EVERYBODY. THANK YOU, MR. RILEY. MR. SOLOS, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE CONDOLENCES.

HE WILL BE VERY, VERY MISSED. HE WAS SO SPECIAL AND SUCH A HUGE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE ON BEHALF OF OUR WHOLE FAMILY FOR ALL THE SUPPORT DURING THIS TIME AND THEN HAVE A VERY HAPPY AND HEALTHY, SAFE THANKSGIVING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS. MR. BENNETT, HELLO. GOOD EVENING. IT'S GOOD TO BE WITH EVERYONE. I GOT TO VISIT CUB SCOUT PACK 313 AND BE WITH THEIR WEBELOS. THE OTHER NIGHT AS WE TALKED ABOUT GOVERNMENT, ONE OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS TO GET THEIR ARROW OF LIGHT IS MEETING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. AND NOW OTHER CUB SCOUT PACKS HAVE FOUND OUT THAT I'M AVAILABLE FOR BOOKINGS AND I'VE STARTED GETTING LOTS OF EMAILS. BUT IT WAS REALLY FUN. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY ASKED ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THEY ASKED WAS, WHAT EXPERIENCE DID I HAVE IN MY YOUTH AND LEADERSHIP? AND ALL THE ANSWERS I COULD THINK OF CAME FROM SCOUTING, SO IT WAS NICE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH THEM AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW IS SETTING THEM UP FOR LEADERSHIP THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. I GOT TO WALK IN THE VETERANS DAY PARADE, WHICH I WAS VERY THANKFUL. SCHOOLS WERE CLOSED THAT DAY. SO THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT OF OF KIDS IN THE PARADE, KIDS WATCHING THE PARADE. IT WAS A LOT OF FUN. AND I ATTENDED THE CHARLIE RILEY SCHOLARSHIP AWARDS, WHICH IS AN EVENT I ENJOY EVERY YEAR. THIS YEAR WAS THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE AWARDS, WHICH MEANS NEARLY EVERYONE WHO RECEIVED THE AWARD WAS YOUNGER THAN THE AWARD ITSELF, WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF A TREMENDOUS THOUGHT TO TO SIT WITH. I WANT TO THANK DPW FOR THEIR TWO EVENINGS THEY GAVE LAST WEEK FOR PUBLIC UPDATES, ALTHOUGH I WANT TO ECHO THE REMARKS SHARED TONIGHT THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB OF GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT THOSE MEETINGS, AND IT'S SOMETHING TO BE THINKING ABOUT IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO PEOPLE. BUT WHAT YOU SHARED WAS ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP A LOT, BOTH ABOUT EXTENDING THE SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY TO THE GROCERY STORE TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF OF THE ROADS TO INCREASE LIGHTING. THOSE WERE TWO OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT IT WAS REALLY GOOD FOR DPW TO HEAR THAT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP AGAIN TONIGHT. I ENJOYED THE CAB MEETING. WE TALKED ABOUT NOT JUST PERRIMAN, BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT BOX HILL COMMUNITY AND THE CONTINUAL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY GREAT.

AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T COME TO CAB MEETINGS, THEIR COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARDS, AND THIS IS A CHANCE TO INTERACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN THIS SPACE.

IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT THEM IS THAT YOU CAN TALK TO SOMEONE DIRECTLY FROM THE DEPARTMENT AND THEY RESPOND BACK TO YOU, AND THERE'S NO TIMERS. IT'S JUST A CONVERSATION. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ABINGTON CAB MEETING BROUGHT UP THAT I THOUGHT WAS REALLY WORTHWHILE IS RATHER THAN JUST GOING FROM INDIVIDUAL ISSUE TO INDIVIDUAL ISSUE, WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO BE UPSET ABOUT SOMETHING. WHAT IF WE ZOOM OUT AND LOOK AT THE HOLISTIC PICTURE OF THESE ISSUES WITH FLOODING, OR THESE ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC, OR THESE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE WALKING ON THE ROAD AND SAY, WHAT IS THE HOLISTIC VISION FOR HOW TO FIX THIS INSTEAD OF GOING FROM FIRE TO FIRE? AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK FOR DPW TO HEAR, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO A GOOD FEEDBACK FOR ALL OF US TO HEAR, TO BE ABLE TO ZOOM OUT FROM THE INDIVIDUAL THING THAT'S IN FRONT OF US AND SAY, HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THE WHOLE? WITH THAT BEING SAID, I KNOW COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND I WILL BE VOLUNTEERING ON THANKSGIVING DAY TO HELP GET THANKSGIVING MEALS OUT FROM THE HAVERTY GRACE COMMUNITY PROJECTS THANKSGIVING DAY. YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE ABLE TO GIVE IN TIME IN TALENT AND TREASURE, I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT THIS HOLIDAY SEASON, ESPECIALLY IN A TIME

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SO I AM GLAD AND HONORED I WAS ABLE TO DO THAT. I ATTENDED THE VETERANS RESOURCE FAIR AND WALKED AROUND AND TALKED TO ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES ABOUT HOUSING AND HOW THAT WORKS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE VETERANS. AND THAT WAS IT WAS THE ROOM WAS PACKED, AND I WAS TOLD THAT EVERY YEAR IT GETS TO BE A BIG CROWD OF INDIVIDUALS. AND THEN I WENT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT OF THE NUTCRACKER WITH THE BALLET CHESAPEAKE. THEY DO OUTREACH TO THE LOCAL LIBRARIES AND SCHOOLS AND KIND OF EDUCATE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES ON THE ARTS, AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GO DIRECTLY TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I SAW TIDBIT OF THAT AT THE JOPPA LIBRARY.

AND TODAY I MET WITH A REPRESENTATIVE FROM SABATON TO KIND OF DISCUSS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THESE SOLAR PROJECTS. IT WAS A GREAT CONVERSATION. I LEARNED A LOT, BUT OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE NOT GETTING THAT INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THESE SOLAR PROJECTS ARE COMING INTO THE AREA. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD. AND I AM ALSO GOING TO BE ATTENDING THE IU WI MATTER SYMPOSIUM. I'M NOT SURE IF COUNCILMAN IMHOFF HAS NOT TOLD YOU, BUT WE ARE A PANEL OF SPEAKERS AT THAT EVENT AND IT IS DEFINITELY CATERED FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS TO GIVE THEM EMPOWERMENT. THERE ARE 150 REGISTERED, BUT THEY ARE ACCEPTING GIRLS ALL THE WAY UP TILL THE DAY OF. SO IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO'S A GIRL WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE, I THINK IT'S A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE.

ALSO, AT THE AMERICAN LEGION IN EDGEWOOD, THERE WILL BE THANKSGIVING DINNER BEING SERVED FROM 12 TO 4. I WILL BE ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE MEALS ON THAT DAY, AND I JUST WANT TO WISH EVERYONE HAPPY THANKSGIVING AND HAVE A SAFE

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IT'S BEEN A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP PUT THAT ON. WORLD RECORD PRICES WERE SET FOR SOME OF THE AUCTION ITEMS AND FOR MARYLAND DECOYS, WHICH IS NEW. SO VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT. BUT WHILE I WAS GONE, I WANT TO THANK JEANNIE FOR ATTENDING THE DEPUTIES GRADUATION. OUR NEIGHBOR'S SON, MR. SCHWARTZ, GRADUATED AND SHE WAS THERE. HIS FATHER PINNED HIM. SO IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THAT SAMANTHA WAS THAT TO CHARLIE RILEY FOUNDATION, OF WHICH I'M AN HONORARY BOARD MEMBER THERE.

THEY DO GREAT THINGS AND HAVE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. I KNOW THAT CYNTHIA WENT TO THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT MEETING, AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THEM FOR WHAT THEY DO IN MY STAY. SO. THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO HAVE COMING UP IS THANKSGIVING. AS MR. BENNETT SPOKE ABOUT, WE

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