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          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. LOOKING FORWARD TO STARTING OUR SECOND DAY OF OUR BUDGET WORK SESSIONS. 
          AND WE'RE STARTING THIS MORNING WITH DIRECTOR CMAC MR. WALSH, THE DPW. MR. LLOYD, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, IF IT'S ALRIGHT WITH YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, SINCE THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE IS JUST A VERY SMALL OFFICE WITH TWO PEOPLE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO ROLL THAT IN WITH HIGHWAYS. 
          SURE. SAME PEOPLE HERE. SO. SO DPW DIRECTOR AND HIGHWAYS, ALL THE ALL OF THE CALL CENTERS HERE ARE FUNDED IN THE HIGHWAYS FUND. THE FIRST IS THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE, WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE 404. THE TOTAL BUDGET OF 465,888 IS A DECREASE OF 73,556. PERSONAL SERVICES DECREASES 73,556. THAT'S THE RESULT OF THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 15,000 281. TEMPORARY SALARIES DECREASE 90,000. PENSIONS INCREASED 2976. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 2800. 
          RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASES 1037 AND FICA DECREASES 5955 DUE TO THE ADJUSTMENT IN TEMPORARY SALARIES, AND THERE'S NO CHANGE IN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS, BUSINESS AND TRAVEL, OR INTERGOVERNMENTAL. THEN WE'RE GOING TO JUMP TO THE BUREAU OF HIGHWAYS ENGINEERING, WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE 451. IT HAS A TOTAL BUDGET OF 3,000,600 3741, FOR AN INCREASE OF 186,493. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 181693. THAT'S THE RESULT OF SALARY ADJUSTMENT OF 178, THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 111,853. 
          TEMPORARY SALARIES INCREASE 7330. PENSION INCREASES 19,556. WORKER'S COMP DECREASES 4132. 
          HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 26,343 AND THEN OPEB INCREASES 6468. AND ALSO RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASES 13,505. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES INCREASE 3004. SOFTWARE, PARTIALLY OFFSET BY DECREASES IN OPERATING EQUIPMENT SERVICE. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS BUSINESS AND TRAVEL INCREASES. 1800 FOR COUNTY OWNED VEHICLES. FUEL, LODGING, MEMBERSHIP FEES, TRAINING SEMINARS AND MANUALS. AND THERE'S NO CHANGE IN MISCELLANEOUS OR INTERGOVERNMENTAL. NEXT IS THE BUREAU OF HIGHWAYS MAINTENANCE, WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE 455. THE. THE DIVISION BUDGET OF 32 32,605,756 IS AN INCREASE OF 543,688. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 1,041,491. THAT'S THE RESULT OF TURNOVER SAVINGS OF 297,965, AND THAT'S PARTIALLY OFFSET BY SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OF 69,586, THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 690,407. THERE WAS ONE CUSTODIAL WORKER TRANSFERRED IN FROM FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS AT A COST TO THIS DIVISION OF 96,377. THERE'S ONE ONE UTILITY WORKER POSITION CREATED FOR FY 27 TOTALING 84,745. THERE WAS ONE CREW CHIEF POSITION CREATED FOR FY 27 TOTALING 97,311. 
          PENSIONS INCREASE 60,491. WORKER'S COMP DECREASES 139,382. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 191,075. OPEB INCREASES 87,057. RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASES 104,411 FICA DECREASES DUE TO TURNOVER OF 17,472. UNIFORM ALLOWANCE INCREASES BASED ON ACTUALS OF 14,850. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES DECREASES 510,500. DUE TO THE TRANSFER OF ROADWAY REHABILITATION AND REPAIR FUNDS TO THE CAPITAL BUDGET, AS WELL AS DECREASES FOR TREE TRIMMING AND OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, AND THOSE ARE PARTIALLY OFFSET BY INCREASES IN DATA, DATA PROCESSING, HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE RELATED TO THE CITY WORKS WORK ORDER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, AS WELL AS FOR SECURITY SYSTEMS MOWING, STUMP GRINDING AND CALCIUM CHLORIDE FOR EARTHEN ROADS. SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS INCREASES 45,800 FOR TRAFFIC SIGNS AND MARKINGS, AS 
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WELL AS PAINT AND ROAD MARKING MATERIALS. BUSINESS AND TRAVEL INCREASES 1000 FOR TRAINING BOOKS AND MATERIALS. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN CAPITAL OUTLAY AND THE MISCELLANEOUS DECREASES. 
          34,103 FOR PRO RATA SHARES FOR HIGHWAYS. AND FINALLY, SNOW REMOVAL BEGINS ON PAGE FOUR. 59. 
          THE DIVISION BUDGET OF 3,281,622 IS AN INCREASE OF 363,700. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN PERSONAL SERVICES, WHICH PROVIDES FOR OVERTIME IN FICA CONTRACTUAL SERVICES INCREASES 375,000 FOR FACILITY REPAIR TO REPLACE THE SHINGLE ROOF ON SALT DOMES AT HICKORY, AS WELL AS THE REALLOCATION OF TRAINING COSTS FOR THE SNOW SIMULATOR FROM BUSINESS AND TRAVEL. 
          THERE'S NO CHANGE IN SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS, AND THEN BUSINESS AND TRAVEL DECREASES. 
          11,300 DUE TO THE REALLOCATION OF SNOW SIMULATOR TRAINING TO CONTRACTUAL SERVICES. AND THAT'S THE OPERATING FOR HIGHWAYS. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. 
          WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IN LOOKING HERE, STEVE, IF I READ THE NUMBERS RIGHT, 139 POSITIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 11 CREWS, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A HUGE TEAM FOR ALL THE WORK THEY DO AROUND THE CLOCK. WHENEVER THEY'RE CALLED TO EITHER REMOVE OR RUBBLE FROM THE ROADWAY, FIX POTHOLES OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, IT'S JUST THEY DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB. AND I KNOW SEVERAL OF US HAVE BEEN ON THE ROAD WATCHING THE WORK THEY DO, AND THEY'RE JUST AMAZING. THE OTHER THING I NOTICED WAS WHEN YOU SAID TURNOVER 297, IS THAT THE POSITIONS YOU MENTIONED, OR IS THAT PEOPLE THAT HAVE DROPPED OUT? YEAH. I SAID THAT THE TURNOVER SAVINGS WAS IN HIGHWAYS MAINTENANCE THAT I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S NOT ATYPICAL IN A VERY IN A RELATIVELY LARGE DIVISION COMPARED TO OTHER DIVISIONS IN THE COUNTY AS, AS FOLKS ARE REACHING RETIREMENT AGE, THEIR SALARIES ARE HIGHER, THEY'RE BACKFILLED WITH MORE ENTRY LEVEL FOLKS AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE MOVE UP. SO THAT'S JUST THE CYCLE OF, OF JUST HOW, YOU KNOW, JOBS ARE FILLED AND SO FORTH. AND I KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS TALK, YOU TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF ROADWAY WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY, THE MILES THAT WE HAVE, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER AGAIN? ABOUT A THOUSAND MILES TOTAL, ABOUT 1100 MILES TOTAL. THAT INCLUDES ABOUT 600 MILES OF BLACKTOP, ASPHALT PAVING, ABOUT 400 MORE OF TAR AND CHIP, MOSTLY IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY. AND WE STILL HAVE A WHAT A STUBBORN 60 MILES OF EARTH ROADS THAT ARE AGAIN, PRIMARILY OUT IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY. VERY GOOD, MR. GINGER. SO GOOD MORNING GENTLEMEN. I HEARD YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT A SNOW SIMULATOR. IS THAT WHAT IS A SNOW SIMULATOR? THERE WERE ALL THE SNOW. THAT IS A TRUCK MOUNTED UNIT. THAT IS BASICALLY A VERY, VERY LARGE VIDEO GAME. THAT'S WHAT I CALL IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS PLAYING ON IT. HE THOUGHT YOU WERE SERIOUS. SNOW AT HIS HOUSE? NO, IT IS. IT IS A ALMOST 360 DEGREE VISUAL SCREEN THAT IS ALL SET UP AS IF YOU WERE IN A DUMP TRUCK OF THE SIZE THAT WE HAVE. AND THEY THEY PUT UP ON THE SCREEN MANY OF THE DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT OUR DRIVERS MAY RUN INTO, BLIZZARD DRIVING WINDS CHANGING TO ICE, DEER RUNNING ACROSS THE ROAD, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WENT ACROSS. AND WHEN I WAS PLAYING WITH IT. AND IT IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY FOR US NOW THAT WE DO HAVE THE TURNOVER THAT BEN TALKED ABOUT, WHERE WE HAVE LESS EXPERIENCED FOLKS THAT ARE COMING IN WHO WE REALLY DON'T WANT THEIR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THE SNOW, IN THE SNOW. SO IT'S REALLY HELPFUL. AND THAT'S HOW IT'S SET UP. OKAY, INTERESTING. SO I DO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO YOUR TO EVERYBODY, ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES AND EVERYBODY FOR NOT THE SNOW THAT WE HAD, BUT THE ICE THAT WE WIND UP HAVING AND HOW LONG THAT TOOK TO CLEAR. I CERTAINLY KNOW THAT WAS A MUCH, MUCH GREATER CHALLENGE THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, A FOOT AND A FOOT AND A HALF OF SNOW. AND IT WENT ON FOR A WHILE. AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CALL STEVE AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT AN ISSUE HERE. AND YOU GUYS WOULD. I MEAN, LITERALLY I GOT OFF THE PHONE AND PROBABLY 15 MINUTES LATER SOMEBODY WAS COMING AND CLEANING A SPOT AND I WAS ABLE TO CALL DOWN TO STATE HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION AND CHURCHVILLE. 
          I KNEW THOSE PEOPLE DOWN THERE AND SAID, HEY, YOU GOT A STATE ISSUE, COME, COME FIX THAT. SO I KNEW THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, PERIOD OF TIME THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR TWO. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF ROAD TO CLEAR. AND IT WAS JUST A MOUNTING TASK, I'M SURE. BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DOING ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DID IN GETTING EVERYTHING CLEANED UP. THANKS. AND THEN ON TOP OF WHAT HE'S SAYING, IT'S IT'S AMAZING HOW 
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OUR COUNTY DIFFERS. THE SOUTHERN END MAY HAVE RAIN. WE MAY HAVE ICE HERE, AND THEY MAY HAVE FOUR INCHES OF SNOW IN THE NORTHERN END. IT'S THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH SO MANY COMPONENTS AT THE SAME TIME. SO, MISS EMHOFF, GOOD MORNING. SO I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. FIRST, HOW OFTEN DOES THE SNOW SIMULATOR NEED TO BE UPGRADED? I KNOW WE'VE HAD A FEW VIRTUAL LEARNING TOOLS AROUND THE COUNTY, BUT SOME OF THEM GET OUTDATED AND THEN WE EITHER HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY TO UPDATE IT. HOW OFTEN DOES IT NEED TO BE UPGRADED? SO THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD MONEY IN THE BUDGET AND WE WOULD OUTSOURCE THAT ACTIVITY. 
          SO THEY WOULD THE VENDOR WOULD BRING THE SIMULATOR IN. THE MONEY THIS YEAR IS ACTUALLY FOR A SOFTWARE UPGRADE TO A SIMULATOR THAT TRANSIT ACTUALLY GOT. SO WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE, THE SNOW REMOVAL PART OF, OF THAT SOFTWARE TO THE SIMULATOR THAT THE COUNTY HAS THE TRANSIT USES. SO WE'LL BE USING THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THE FUNDING IS FOR. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL AT LEAST GET A FEW YEARS BEFORE WE NEED TO DO ANY OTHER UPGRADES. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN UNDER THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE, THERE WAS A I BELIEVE IT WAS. HOLD ON. THERE WAS A $90,000 TEMPORARY SALARY. IS THAT A POSITION THAT GOT ELIMINATED OR. NO, THOSE THOSE FUNCTIONS WERE RELATED TO RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. OKAY. AND THAT POSITION, THE THAT FUNCTION WAS MOVED TO THE PROPERTY ACQUISITION DIVISION, WHICH IS IN LAW. IT IT FIT BETTER WITH WITH WHAT THAT OFFICE WAS DOING. SO IT WAS A POSITION THAT GOT MOVED OVER TO A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, IS THE 60 K FOR OVERTIME BASED OFF OF THIS PAST WINTER'S WINTER NEEDS FOR THE SNOW REMOVAL? IT WAS ON PAGE 461. 
          SIX. YEAH, 600 K MY BAD. YEAH. IN OVERTIME OR LESS UNDER SNOW REMOVAL. IS THAT BASED OFF OF THIS YEAR? YEAH. I MEAN IT'S BEEN 600 FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS. I THINK. YOU KNOW WE KNOW THAT THIS YEAR WAS WAS HEAVIER THAN USUAL. BUT YOU KNOW I THINK WE WERE WE WERE STILL ABLE TO ABSORB IT. IT WAS AT THE HIGHER END OF WHAT OUR BUDGET COULD ABSORB. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE WERE HAPPY WITH THAT NUMBER AGAIN FOR NEXT YEAR. BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF THE SAFE NUMBER TO BE AT. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD TO BE WITH YOU ALL. I THINK THE ONLY LIKE FULL TIME TEMPORARY POSITION IN THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT ROLE. IS THAT CORRECT? IN THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE, THERE'S NO THERE'S NO TEMPORARY POSITIONS. THERE'S TWO PERMANENT PIN POSITIONS. SO THE DIRECTOR AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE SECRETARY. BECAUSE IT SAYS ON PAGE 412, FUNDING PROVIDES FOR TEMPORARY ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS. THAT'S THAT'S IN A DIFFERENT DIVISION. THAT'S IN CAPITAL PROJECTS. OKAY. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN IN HIGHWAYS, WHAT ARE ALL BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LARGER POT OF MONEY FOR TEMPORARY SALARIES. CAN YOU JUST TELL WHO THE TEMPORARY POSITIONS ARE, WHAT THEIR, YOU KNOW, JOBS ENTAIL AND HOW MUCH THEY MAKE? I BELIEVE IN HIGHWAYS ENGINEERING. THERE'S A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, THERE IS A A STATE HIGHWAYS LIAISON, AND THERE'S A TRANSPORTATION LIAISON. AND WHAT DO THEY DO? THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER IS A GENTLEMAN NAMED JEFF STRATEMEYER, WHO WAS A 32 YEAR EMPLOYEE WITH THE COUNTY WHO RETIRED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. AND HE IS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE HIS EXPERTISE TO US IF WE NEED HIM. MANY TIMES HE'S BUSY DOING HIS THINGS WITH HIS FAMILY, BUT WE DO STILL ALLOW FOR US TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING BACK HIS EXPERTISE AND HIS SERVICE. 
          SO THAT'S THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER. SO HE'S CALLED UPON WHEN NEEDED AND THEN PAID HOURLY FOR WHEN YOU CALL HIM. THAT'S CORRECT. KING OF THE ROUNDABOUTS. THAT TOO. AND THEN I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. AND HIGHWAYS. FOR THINGS PERRYMAN RELATED. AND I THINK I'VE ASKED ABOUT THESE FOUR YEARS IN A ROW, BUT CAN YOU JUST GIVE UPDATES ON WOODLEY ON THE SIDEWALKS AND ROAD, THE VEHICLE HEIGHT MONITORING SYSTEMS AND UPGRADED SIGNAGE? IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, 
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BECAUSE WE WILL GET TO CAPITAL. OKAY. WHY DON'T WE? WHY DON'T WE HOLD THAT TILL CAPITAL, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT? OKAY, PERFECT. GOOD. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. 
          I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AROUND HOW THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES ARE PRIORITIZED DURING SNOW AND THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY OFF OF ROUTE 40, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES THAT WERE NOT SNOWED OR PLOWED A WEEK LATER. SO HOW DO YOU GUYS GO ABOUT PRIORITIZING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES? GIVE IT A SHOT. SURE. SO THERE REALLY IS NO PRIORITIZATION OTHER THAN OBVIOUSLY THE MAIN ROADS GET PLOWED FIRST. THERE'S ROUTES DEVELOPED FOR EVERY COUNTY ROAD IN THE COUNTY, AND THEN AS THE TRUCKS GO OUT, THEY HIT THEIR ROUTE. SO THE, YOU KNOW, EVERY ROAD'S TREATED THE SAME. THERE'S CLUSTERS OF ROADS WITHIN A ROUTE. AND. AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THEY'RE DONE. I KNOW THE THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY GAVE US SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH THIS STORM THIS YEAR, DUE AGAIN DUE TO THE ICE DUE TO THE, THE DEEP SNOW AND DUE TO SOME OF THE NEWER SUBDIVISIONS WHICH HAVE NARROW ROADS IN THEM, WHICH WHICH GAVE US A HARD TIME AS WELL. SO WE DID SOME DEBRIEFING AFTER THIS STORM. WE'RE MAKING SOME CHANGES TO, TO ROUTES FOR, FOR NEXT YEAR. AND WE CERTAINLY LEARNED A LOT. AND I KNOW THE, THE NEW DRIVERS LEARNED A LOT WITH THIS WINTER, CERTAINLY. SO YEAH, IT WAS CHALLENGING WINTER. 
          EVERY COUNTY ROAD IS ON A ROUTE TO BE HIT. I'M NOT SURE THERE WAS ROADS THAT WE DIDN'T HIT WITHIN A WEEK. I KNOW IT MIGHT HAVE SEEMED THAT WAY, BUT SOME OF THE ROADS NEEDED TO BE HIT MULTIPLE TIMES DUE TO DUE TO CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE TRIED TO GET GET THEM AND IT TOOK US A WHILE TO MAKE PEOPLE ULTIMATELY HAPPY WITH PUSHING ROADS WIDER THAN THEY NEED, THAN THEY HAD TO BE. SO, SO WHO DO RESIDENTS CONTACT WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THEIR DEVELOPMENTS OR SUBDIVISIONS FOR FOR WORK AND EMERGENCIES? DO THEY CONTACT ME DIRECTLY? THEY PRIORITIZE THEIR ROADS. THE HIGHWAY? YEAH. HIGHWAY ENGINEERING HAS HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE HAS A NUMBER. AND AGAIN, WE, WE TAKE ALL CALLS AND, AND TRY TO TRY TO HIT THE ROADS AS FAST AS WE CAN. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET TO WORK, THEY NEED TO, WE DO A LOT OF PRE WARNING BEFORE THE BIG STORM TO, TO MAKE MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU GET CALLS LIKE THAT. I'M A SURGEON. I NEED TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL. WELL, SORRY, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE ROAD WHEN WE CAN GET TO THE ROAD. SO THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH BALANCING ACT. YEAH. BUT WOULDN'T YOU AGREE A WEEK LATER IS DEFINITELY UNACCEPTABLE. AND SO. OH, SURE. I CAN TALK OFFLINE ABOUT THE COMMUNITIES THAT WERE NOT SERVICED. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. I, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE CAPITAL TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY WHERE YOU INTEND TO WIDEN ROADS, DO ROUNDABOUTS AND MAKE THINGS SAFER. DO YOU HAVE MONEY IN YOUR DAY TO DAY BUDGET THAT IF A PIECE OF PROPERTY WERE TO BECOME AVAILABLE, THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BUY IT AS IT CAME UP ON THE MARKET, A PIECE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE THE BUDGET PROCESS, SO TO SPEAK. I'M PARTICULARLY SPEAKING ABOUT THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY AT TOLLGATE AND BEL AIR SOUTH PARKWAY THAT IS THE ONLY INTERSECTION ON TOLLGATE THAT IS NOT A ROUNDABOUT AT THIS TIME. FROM THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER TO CONSTANT FRIENDSHIP, THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT BORDERS ON TOLLGATE THAT WENT UP FOR SALE ABOUT A WEEK AGO, AND THE COUNTY HAS TALKED ABOUT PURCHASING PROPERTY AND HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE HOA IN ORDER TO GET PROPERTY RIGHTS TO PUT A ROUNDABOUT THERE. WOULD THAT BE A CAPITAL? WOULD THAT BE. WE'RE NOT DEALING WITH THAT RIGHT NOW. WOULD THAT BE WHAT YOU HAVE MONEY FOR RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE INTERSECTION? I AM WITH REGARD TO THE THE TOLLGATE ROAD AT THE LAST ROUNDABOUT, AS YOU PUT IT, THAT ONE LAST PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THE HOA WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY GETTING THEIR QUORUM TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO SELL. THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED. WE HAVE ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY. IT WAS REALLY A SMALL SLIVER. SO THAT PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD. WITH 
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REGARD TO YOUR BROADER QUESTION ABOUT IS THERE MONEY TO DO THAT TYPE OF THING? I'LL DEFER TO BEN. YEAH. I'M SORRY. SO, YES, THERE'S FUNDING IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR SITE ACQUISITION. 
          THERE'S A PROJECT FOR STATE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT ACQUISITION, AND THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN HIGHWAYS CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THE SAME THING FOR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. BUT, BUT IN THE BUDGET, DOES IT HAVE TO BE A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY OR CAN IT IS IT JUST A POT? IF WE GET THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, I MEAN, WE WE DON'T BUDGET FOR SPECIFIC PURCHASES, JUST LIKE WE DON'T BUDGET FOR SPECIFIC VENDORS OR THAT SORT OF THING. IT'S A POT OF MONEY TO USE AS THINGS COME ABOUT. YEAH, YEAH. 
          I MEAN, UNLESS IT WAS LIKE A SPECIFIC PROJECT WHERE WE HAD IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WOODLEY ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT YEAH, BUT IF IT'S THE SITE ACQUISITION PROJECT, THEN WE'RE ABLE TO USE IT WHEN THE OPPORTUNITIES ARISE, LIKE ON REPORTING DOWNTOWN WHERE WE'RE LOOKING, IF THAT COMES AVAILABLE, WE CAN JUMP ON IT. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. STEVE, ONE MORE QUESTION. SNOW REMOVAL GPS IN THE TRUCKS. CORRECT. DO YOU USE GPS? YES, WE DO. WHEN YOU GO OVER A ROAD, DOES IT BLACK IT OUT OR ORANGE IT OUT SO SOMEBODY KNOWS THEY WENT OVER THAT ROAD AND THEY DON'T GO OVER TO. I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. IS THAT A PROGRAM THAT YOU GUYS HAVE OR. NO WE DO. SO THERE'S AN OUTWARD FACING PORTAL TO SEE WHERE THE TRUCKS ARE. IT DOESN'T TURN FROM FROM YELLOW TO GREEN WHEN THE TRUCK GOES OVER IT ONCE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE TRUCK NEEDS TO GO OVER IT MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE COURSE OF THE STORM. SO WE, WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT THAT THIS YEAR. AND WE, WE. IT WAS OUT. IT WAS, IT WAS RUNNING THE, THE PORTAL SO PEOPLE COULD SEE TRUCKS OUT THERE. WE DIDN'T ACTIVATE THAT PART OF IT BECAUSE IT GETS VERY COMPLICATED AND IT REALLY CAUSES A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. SO OKAY, WE IT'S THERE, BUT IT'S THERE. OKAY. IT'S THERE. THANK YOU. AND PEOPLE CAN SEE A LOT OF TRUCKS OUT RUNNING DURING THE COURSE OF A STORM, WHICH IS REALLY THE, THE POINT OF IT. ULTIMATELY WE COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE, THOUGH ALSO WHEN THE STORM IS OVER, IF THEY DON'T SEE ACTIVITY WITHIN A DAY OR TWO DAYS TO CALL US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T MISS IT, THAT'S WHAT I DID. YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO, TO MENTION THE FACT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SNOW REMOVAL, THERE'S A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON AND DON'T MOVE THEIR VEHICLES. IT MAKES IT VERY HARD FOR THIS EQUIPMENT TO GET IN AND OUT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, A LOCAL ROAD, A STATE, STATE ROAD. I MEAN, IF THEY GOT TO BE OUT OF THE WAY TO LET THESE PLOWS DO THEIR JOB, AND UNFORTUNATELY, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THIS PAST STORM, IT WAS IT WAS BLATANT EVERYWHERE. THESE GUYS ALL HAD DIFFICULT TIME MANEUVERING AROUND. ANYONE ELSE? NO. I'M SORRY, MISS ROBERT, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. HOW ARE YOU DOING? I DO WANT TO. I KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE WERE TALKING. I ENDED UP HAVING TO PUT OUT A BLAST ON FACEBOOK THAT SAID IF ANYONE WAS STUCK BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS SAYING THEY. THE. THE TRACKER, I THINK THE TONY WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS SAYING IT WAS CLEAN AND THEY WERE LIKE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, IT'S NOT. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE STARTED COMMUNICATING WITH ME, YOU GUYS WERE ON IT. AND I, I GOT RESPONSES BACK LIKE, YES, IT'S BEEN DONE. THE ROAD WAS CLEAR. 
          IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY OF A BETTER SYSTEM. I THINK BECAUSE THEM CONTACTING US FOR THAT WAS A LOT. AND I WAS GETTING A LOT OF EMAILS AND MESSAGES AND YOU GUYS WERE ON IT EVERY TIME I FORWARDED IT TO YOU. BUT YEAH, THAT TRACKER WAS NOT REALLY, AND I HEARD IT WAS NOT WORKING IN BALTIMORE COUNTY EITHER. SO IT WASN'T JUST US. WELL, THIS WAS A UNIQUE STORM. IT ALSO IS THE FIRST ONE OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE REALLY IN THE PAST 8 OR 10 YEARS. SO WE HADN'T USED THE TRACKER PROGRAM IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY FROM TEN YEARS AGO, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT TODAY, IT'S QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT. SO WE HAD A SORT OF A LEARN ON THE ON THE JOB WITH THIS ONE. AND AS STEVE SAID, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE IDEA OF THERE HAS BEEN A PASS AND THE ROAD IS CLEAR, WHICH NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN AND HARFORD COUNTY SNOWSTORMS. THAT'S A TRUE STATEMENT. THIS ONE WAS NOT. AND SO WE MADE THE DECISION THAT OPERATIONALLY, THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO RELY ON THE SOFTWARE DECISIONS ABOUT IS IT CLEAR OR IS IT NOT CLEAR? THE WHOLE RED, YELLOW GREEN THING. AND WE MADE SURE THAT THE TECHNOLOGY WAS ACCURATE RELATIVE TO WHERE THE PLOWS WERE, AND THEN RELY ON THE EITHER COMPLAINTS, ADVISEMENT AWARENESS FOR US TO KNOW THE 
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AREAS THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK TO IN ADDITION TO THE DATABASE WE ALREADY HAVE. SO AGAIN, WE WE SAW THE SAME THING YOU DID. YEAH. TONY. SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MAYBE DON'T REALIZE THAT THE BLUE ROAD BLUE SIGN ROADS ARE PRIVATE ROADS AND THE GREEN IS COUNTY ROADS. SO I DID HAVE A BUNCH OF CALLS WHERE PEOPLE WERE IN COMMUNITIES, MOSTLY TOWNHOME COMMUNITIES, WHERE LIKE, HEY, MY ROAD DIDN'T GET CLEARED YET. AND I ASKED THEM WHERE THEY WERE AND THEN FINDING OUT THAT THEY WERE IN A TOWNHOUSE AND I ASKED THEM WHAT COLOR THEIR THEIR ROAD SIGN WAS. 
          AND I SAID, WELL, THAT'S PRIVATE. THAT'S NOT COUNTY. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T HAD A SNOWSTORM LIKE THIS IN A WHILE. SO THAT THAT WAS A BIG CONFUSION, I THINK, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, TOO, THEY KEPT SEEING SNOW PLOWS GO BY THAT WERE COUNTY SNOW PLOWS, AND THEY WEREN'T HITTING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY DIDN'T REALIZE WHY THEY WEREN'T HITTING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. MR. TIBBS, MR. TIBBS, GOOD MORNING. 
          I SEE IN THE YOUR THING HERE WE HAVE 37 EARTHEN ROADS IN THE COUNTY, 37 MILES OF EARTHEN RUDAN COUNTY, AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO ONE AND A HALF MILES PER YEAR. THAT DOESN'T SEEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARRIVE AT THE ONE AND A HALF MILES PER YEAR. TWO REASONS WE FOCUS ON UPGRADING THE ROADS THAT ARE THE MOST. I'LL CALL IT THE MOST TROUBLE FOR US, THE MOST THAT ARE ERODING SO FAST. THEY'RE ON STEEP SLOPES. THEY ARE. THEY'RE GETTING TO BE TOO WIDE, AND THEY ARE COSTING US MORE MONEY TO MAINTAIN GLENVILLE AREA. SO THAT'S WHERE WE PRIORITIZE THEM TO THE TOP. THE REST OF IT, THE ANOTHER ELEMENT HAS TO DO WITH FUNDING, OBVIOUSLY, AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THE FUNDS WE HAVE AVAILABLE. AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE WITH EARTH ROADS, THERE ARE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN AND AROUND THOSE ROADS THAT DON'T WANT DON'T WANT THEM UPGRADED. SO BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR ROAD, WE PUT OUT NOTICES AND ADVISE THEM THAT THIS IS ON OUR LIST FOR OUR REASONS AND WE TAKE THEIR COMMENTS INTO INTO ACCOUNT. WHEN WE START MAKING THOSE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT ROADS WE DO. OKAY. AND SECOND QUESTION, AS I'VE SAID IN THE PAST, THE TORRENT CHIP THAT WE PUT DOWN, IT GETS PLOWED OFF WHEN WE HAVE A SNOWSTORM, AS WE HAD THIS PAST YEAR, AND THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND RETIRE AND CHIP IT. AND I KNOW IT COSTS MORE MONEY TO DO ASPHALT, BUT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT WOULD BE CHEAPER IN THE LONG RUN. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARRIVE AT THAT. LET ME TRY THAT ONE. I'LL FILL IN. THAT IS ANOTHER DIFFICULT CHALLENGE FOR OUR HIGHWAY MAINTENANCE FOLKS BECAUSE OF THE THE EXTENT OF THE TORRENT ROADS THAT WE HAVE AND THE LIMITATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGETING, PRIMARILY, IF ANYONE CAN THINK BACK TO BEFORE THE 2008 PURGE BY THE STATE OF MARYLAND TO TAKE AWAY THE HIGHWAY USER REVENUE WE WERE RECEIVING, I THINK AT THE TIME, 12 TO $15 MILLION THAT WAS APPLIED TO RESURFACING OR, OR THAT TYPE OF WORK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WELL, THAT DROPPED OFF TO TWO SHORTLY AFTER THAT, AND IT'S NEVER MADE IT BACK. I THINK IT'S STILL RANGING IN THE $4 MILLION STAGE. 
          SO WE DO OUR BEST TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE AREAS THAT ARE THE MOST, THE MOST DRIVEN, ON THE MOST WORKED THROUGH TAR AND CHIP ROADS. WE GO BACK AND RESURFACE OR RETIRE AND CHIP EVERY 5 TO 7 YEARS, WHICH IS THE USEFUL LIFE PRIMARILY OF THOSE. AND SO WE TRY TO TACKLE THEM AS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WELL, PRIOR TO THE TARRING AND CHIPPING, WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU COME IN AND TRY TO LEVEL THEM UP WITH ASPHALT AND THEN TORRENT CHIP OVER TOP OF THAT AND IN SOME PLACES IN THE LOW AREAS. CORRECT. AND THEN WE GET THIS KIND OF DEAL. IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU DON'T NOTICE, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S HARD NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CUT IT OUT AND THEN BUILD IT BACK UP TO BE LEVEL AGAIN. BUT I'M JUST THINKING IN THE LONG RUN, IT WOULD BE CHEAPER TO DO THE WHOLE THING WITH ASPHALT, FORGET THE TAR AND CHIP AND USE THAT MONEY TO USE A LITTLE MORE ASPHALT. BUT UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. TIBBS. MR. BENNETT, GOOD MORNING AGAIN. JUST HEARING MR. TIBBS TALK, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR HIM DESCRIBING A PRACTICAL ISSUE THAT PEOPLE LIKE HIM AND OTHERS IN OUR COMMUNITY EXPERIENCE DRIVING ON TAR AND CHIP ROADS. AND, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ANSWER IS A BUDGETARY ISSUE OF WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH WITH THE MONEY WE GET, ESPECIALLY WITH 
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CUTBACKS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND HIGHWAY USER REVENUE. WHAT'S THE BUDGETARY SOLUTION LONG TERM TO TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE PRACTICAL ISSUE? MR. TIBBS DESCRIBING LIKE WHAT WHAT SHOULD WE BE ADVOCATING FOR OR IMPLEMENTING AT THE COUNTY LEVEL OR ASKING FOR AT THE STATE LEVEL TO MAKE IT SO THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO DO THOSE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS THAT MR. TIBBS IS DESCRIBING? WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE BIGGEST THING IS ADVOCATING AT THE STATE LEVEL, BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, OUR HIGHWAY USER REVENUE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN FROM WHERE IT WAS AND FAR BELOW WHAT IT SHOULD BE. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, WE HAVE TO DO BE ABLE TO DO MORE WITH LESS. I THINK OUR HIGHWAYS TEAM DOES A GREAT JOB WITH THAT. THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT, AS DIRECTOR MACK SAID, PRIORITIZING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, LOOKING AT IS IT MORE TO MAINTAIN THIS ROAD AS WE ARE THAN IT WOULD BE TO COME IN AND REPAVE IT OR PAVE IT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LOT OF CASES. BUT AS HE SAID, YOU RUN INTO ISSUES WITH THE SURROUNDING LANDOWNERS AND SO FORTH. BUT I THINK HIS TEAM DOES A GREAT JOB OF PRIORITIZATION AND, YOU KNOW, STRETCHING THE DOLLAR AS FAR AS THEY CAN. YEAH. I MEAN, I ALWAYS THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE WAY THE HIGHWAYS FUND IS SET UP IS SPECIFIC IN THE CHARTER, IN THAT IT'S PRIMARILY FUNDED WITH THE HIGHWAY USER REVENUE, WHICH AGAIN, AT ONE TIME WAS AROUND 15 MILLION AND IS NOW CLOSER TO FIVE. AND NEXT YEAR IS PROBABLY GOING TO DROP BACK DOWN TO 2 OR 3. AND THEN A PROPERTY TAX THAT IS ONLY LEVIED ON THOSE PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF THE THREE MUNICIPALITIES. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT KIND OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY, WE HAVEN'T HAD, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A MUCH MORE STEADY REVENUE, KIND OF A KIND OF A STREAM. AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THOSE OTHER, YOU KNOW, REVENUE FLUCTUATIONS OR STRONG REVENUE GROWTH THAT WE SAW, LIKE ON THE INCOME TAX OR SOME OF THE OTHER OTHER ASPECTS. I JUST THINK YOU'RE JUST GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE, THOUGH, OF THE STATE PUSHING MORE AND MORE COSTS ONTO US. NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID DO THIS YEAR WITH THE STATE ROADS IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE SAID, THESE STATE ROADS REALLY BENEFIT THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO WHEREAS IT MAKES SENSE FOR MAYBE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES NOT TO PAY FOR A WHEEL ROAD OR A GRAFTON SHOP ROAD WHEN IT COMES TO A 22 OR A SEVEN OR A 136, WE'RE KIND OF ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. SO WE DID PUT THOSE FUNDS IN THAT NEW PROJECT FOR IT'S ABOUT $2.5 MILLION OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S KIND OF A SHARED A SHARED OBLIGATION. BUT I THINK YOU'RE JUST GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE OF THIS. THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY BIG PROJECTS OUT THERE. I KNOW IN ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTY, ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTY IS, IS, IS PUTTING FORTH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TEN, $15 MILLION TO EXPAND LANES ON 97. WE'VE SEEN IT IN HOWARD COUNTY WITH 32, JUST LIKE THE TEACHER PRE-K, JUST LIKE THE STAT, THE STATE GOVERNMENT IS LESS AND LESS SENDING US MONEY, AND THEY'RE MORE AND MORE BILLING US NOW FOR, FOR THINGS. AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF THERE'S AN EASY SOLUTION TO THAT, BECAUSE THE STATE HAS A FISCAL SITUATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT. LET'S MOVE ON. ALL RIGHT. JUMP TO CAPITAL THEN. YES. SO THE CAPITAL SUMMARY FOR HIGHWAYS IS ON PAGE TWO. 67 OF THE CAPITAL BOOK. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK MR. WALSH TO JUST KIND OF RUN THROUGH THOSE PROJECTS. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO REFER YOU TO PAGE TWO. 70. I HAD ON SOME OF THE BIG PROJECTS, THE NOTEWORTHY ONES, PAGE TWO. 70 ABINGDON ROAD, BRIDGE 169 OVER CSX. THE REQUEST IS FOR $3 MILLION OF BONDS. THIS WILL BE THE FINAL FUNDING PIECE FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS IN THE FINAL STAGES OF DESIGN. PREPARING THE BID GO THROUGH THE BID PROCESS. THE CONSTRUCTION ANTICIPATED CONSTRUCTION WILL BE NEXT SUMMER. IT WILL BE A CLOSURE AFTER THE SCHOOL GETS OUT, AND WE'LL GO FOR FOUR MONTHS AND THEN WE'LL BE OPEN REALLY AGGRESSIVE TIME FRAME, BUT IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT CROSSING FOR THE COMMUNITY. NEXT ONE I'D LIKE TO REFER YOU TO IS PAGE 275. CHESTNUT HILL ROAD, BRIDGE NUMBER 41. THIS IS A NEW PROJECT. IT'S A NEW. NEW PROJECT WHICH WE'RE STARTING ENGINEERING. IT'LL BE A FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECT. THE REQUEST IS FOR $450,000, 360 OF FEDERAL FUNDS AND 90,000 OF BONDS. NEXT PROJECT IS ON PAGE 278. GRIER NURSERY ROAD, BRIDGE 
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NUMBER 43. SO THIS REQUEST IS FOR $2,500,000. WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR MONEY IN THE NEXT TWO FISCAL YEARS JUST TO BUILD UP THE THE FUNDING FOR THAT PROJECT, WHICH IS A BIG BRIDGE OVER DEER CREEK. AGAIN, IN THE DESIGN PROCESS NOW. NEXT PROJECT IS ON PAGE TWO, 81. 
          MORSE ROAD, BRIDGE NUMBER 73. THIS IS A NEW PROJECT REQUESTING $400,000 IN FUNDING TO BEGIN DESIGNS. THIS WILL BE A COUNTY FUNDED BRIDGE ONLY. AND THEN THE. THE OTHER PROJECT I WANT TO MENTION IS ON PAGE 282. RUSH ROAD, BRIDGE NUMBER 97, REQUESTING $1 MILLION IN FUNDING. AND IF THIS BUDGET GETS APPROVED, THIS PROJECT WILL BE GOING TO CONSTRUCTION AT THE END OF THE YEAR. ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ANY OF THE BRIDGES? THEY'RE ALL PRETTY BASIC. MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN SEE THEM. AND FOR THOSE LISTENING, WHY DON'T YOU DESCRIBE THE PARAMETERS TO WHERE A BRIDGE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN SIZE BEFORE WE GET FEDERAL FUNDING? RIGHT? MR. HUBBLE? YES. SO FOR FEDERAL FUNDING. FEDERALLY, FEDERALLY FUNDED BRIDGES 20FT AND OVER, IT HAS TO BE 20FT LONG FOR IT TO QUALIFY AS A FEDERAL REPLACEMENT BRIDGE. WE STILL INSPECT AND REPLACE BRIDGES LESS THAN THAT WITH COUNTY FUNDS. YEAH. AND WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE THAT THE FEDS PAY ON THAT BRIDGE OVER 20? IT'S AN 80/20, 80, 20 SPLIT. SO 80% FEDERAL FUNDS, 20% COUNTY FUNDS. THANK YOU. MR. JAMES. HOW MANY BRIDGES DO WE HAVE THAT ARE UNDER 20FT? QUITE A FEW. GOOD MANY. QUITE A FEW. YOU'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. THAT'S FINE. 200. TWO 2220 BRIDGES OVER THE COUNTY. BUT THERE'S 3000 CULVERTS OF VARIOUS SIZES TOO. SO IT DEPENDS WHERE THAT THAT SPLIT IS BETWEEN LIKE 6 FOOT TO 20 FOOT. THERE'S, THERE'S ANOTHER HUNK OF BRIDGES, OKAY. IN THAT SIZE RANGE, WE CAN GET YOU THE FINAL NUMBER. OKAY. I CAN JUMP THE ROADWAYS. THERE'S MORE BRIDGES. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. MR. TIM HAS ONE TOO. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THE ABINGDON ROAD BRIDGE. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU'RE WAITING UNTIL AFTER SCHOOL. IS THAT HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSED? FOUR MONTHS. FOUR MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS. OKAY. THAT'S OUR PLAN. 
          OKAY. BEST CASE SCENARIO. OKAY. MR. TIBBS ON THE GLENVILLE ROAD BRIDGE AGAIN. I SEE YOU'RE GOING TO BE CLOSING THE ROAD FOR EIGHT WEEKS STARTING IN MAY. SCHOOL BUSSES HAVE TO COME DOWN THROUGH THERE, AND I NOTICED YOU'RE NOT CLOSING OTHER ROADS PRIOR TO THAT. AND I. I NOTICED WE PUSHED ALL THE ACTUAL MONEY OUT TO 31 AND 32, BUT YET WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS BRIDGE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS NOW. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE? GLENN AND HOT SEAT. SO THIS IS A FEDERAL FUNDED BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT. WE'RE VERY EARLY IN THE DESIGN STAGES. WE HAVE HAD SOME HICCUPS EARLY IN THE DESIGN STAGES. WE HAD TO DO AN ARCHEOLOGICAL STUDY AS PART OF THE NEPA EVALUATION, WHICH HAS TAKEN SOME TIME. WE DURING RECENT BRIDGE INSPECTIONS, WE FELT IT NECESSARY TO. EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. PROCEED WITH SOME CLEANING AND PAINTING OF THE. OF THE BEAMS ON THE EXISTING BRIDGE. SO WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THAT WORK IN THE NEXT EIGHT WEEKS. AS YOU AS YOU SAID, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING FOR THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT IN JUNE, AND WE ARE PROCEEDING WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT. BUT THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT PROJECT IS STILL SEVERAL YEARS OUT. WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LAND ACQUISITION PROCESS AS WELL. SO WE FELT WE NEEDED TO DO THIS WORK NOW JUST TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE BRIDGE. HE'S TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHOSE LAND YOU GOT TO BUY. OH, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT PART OF IT, BECAUSE I'M SURE THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WANTING TO GET THAT BRIDGE FIXED. IT'S A SINGLE 
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LANE BRIDGE. AND AS YOU SAY, IT'S DETERIORATING. WE HAD HOLES THROUGH IT. THEY PATCHED UP LAST YEAR AND I MEAN IT FIVE YEARS AGO. IT WAS IN THE PROJECT. NOW IT JUST KEEPS GETTING PUSHED. PUSH PUSH PUSH. NOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND, IF WE GOT FEDERAL MONEY, WHY IS IT GETTING PUSHED? AS GLENN SAID, IN MANY PROJECTS, THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, AS DESIGN IS GOING THROUGH, WE FIND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH THAT WE WEREN'T AWARE OF. AND IN THIS CASE, AN ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY WAS NECESSARY. WHICH, OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE HAVING FEDERAL FUNDING, THERE'S AN ENTIRE PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE GONE THROUGH IN ORDER TO STOP, OR I'LL CALL IT STOP ALL THE REAL WORK WHILE WE DO SOME INVESTIGATION. AND WE RUN INTO THIS MORE OFTEN THAN WE WOULD PREFER. BUT IT IS PART OF THE NATURE OF OUR BUSINESS AND GOING BACK TO THE ABINGDON ROAD BRIDGE THAT THAT STEVE MENTIONED, THAT HAS BEEN IN A STOP AND A START MODE THAT WE HAVE BEEN AIMING FOR AND TARGETING TO HAVE FINISHED AND BUILT WAY EARLIER, SIGNIFICANTLY EARLIER THAN NOW. BUT IT'S A BRIDGE OVER A THE CSX RAILROAD. WELL, THERE'S A TIME FRAME ASSOCIATED WITH THEM THAT IS CAN'T BE BUDGETED FOR. 
          SO IT IS. WE'RE SORRY THAT IT'S TAKING LONGER THAN WE HAD HOPED OR WE HAD ANTICIPATED. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE MOVING AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, GIVEN THE LIMITATIONS OF. WHEN THE. WHEN THE WORK CAN BE DONE, WHAT HAS TO BE DONE AND WHAT WHAT WILL BE THE TIMING. SO WE DO OUR BEST TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE. I UNDERSTAND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THIS BRIDGE IS ACTUALLY BEEN PLANNED FOR OVER 1520 YEARS AND IT JUST KEEPS PUSHING. PUSH PUSH, PUSH. I NOTICED IT'S ACTUALLY OUT ANOTHER YEAR AGAIN THIS YEAR, SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING MONEY INTO REPAIRING WHAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TEAR OUT WHENEVER IT HAS TO BE TORN. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE ALSO. BUT HERE IT IS AGAIN, IT'S A SINGLE BRIDGE THAT YOU HAVE TO GO. I MEAN, SINGLE TRAFFIC BRIDGE. AND THEN FOR THE NEXT EIGHT WEEKS, SCHOOL BUSSES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. WELL, WE, WE, WHEN WE ARE FACED WITH A SITUATION OF CLOSING A ROAD OR A BRIDGE, WE NOTIFY THE BOARD OF EDUCATION IMMEDIATELY WITH REGARD TO OUR PLANS TO GIVE THEM TIME TO BE ABLE TO SCHEDULE THEIR BUS ROUTES ACCORDINGLY IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE IT. HOW THEY DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW. THEY DO THAT THROUGH THEIR OWN PROCESS, BUT THAT IS THE THEY'RE THE FIRST PERSON. THEY'RE THE FIRST GROUP THAT WE NOTIFY BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THAT THEIR ROUTES AND THEIR THEIR MISSION TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP ALL THE CHILDREN TO GET THEM TO SCHOOL. 
          BUT WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS HERE WE ARE IN THE 1ST OF MAY. WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE? PUSHING IT OUT ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS FOR SCHOOL BUSSES WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE DOING THAT. 
          I MEAN, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. THAT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT WAS COMMON SENSE TO DO SOMETHING. I KNOW MR. TIBBS HAVING LOCAL KNOWLEDGE. AS YOU KNOW, I GREW UP RIGHT THERE, BUT THAT THAT CREEK IS THE BORDER BETWEEN SEYMOUR AND RIGHT AND HAVRE DE GRACE. I KNOW THAT SOME BUSSES TURN AROUND RIGHT THERE. THEY CROSS THE BRIDGE TO TURN AROUND. I KNOW, AND SO IN THESE CASES, WHEN WHEN WE CLOSE THE ROAD, IN WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THEY'LL JUST TEMPORARILY, TEMPORARILY RELOCATE THE TURNAROUND. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO REACH, LIKE WE SAID, WE WE'VE MADE THEM AWARE OF IT. SO THEY'VE MADE THOSE ARRANGEMENTS. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE THE TURNAROUND COMING FROM. CHURCHVILLE AREA, TURN AROUND AND THEN GO BACK ACROSS THE BRIDGE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. YEAH. SO LIKE DIRECTOR SAID, YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS FULLY AWARE AND THEY MAKE THOSE ARRANGEMENTS TO TEMPORARILY MOVE THE TURNAROUND. IS THAT TRUE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. TIBBS. MR. BENNETT, GOOD MORNING. I JUST WANTED TO BRING FORWARD WITH THE HOOKERS MILL ROAD BRIDGE AGAIN. I KNOW THE PLAN. WHEN THAT BRIDGE CLOSES FOR THE WORK TO REROUTE DOWN SEVEN AND TAKE PEOPLE PAST BUSHMILL TAVERN INTO THAT INTERSECTION. AND JUST HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT THAT INTERSECTION IS ADDRESSED BEFORE THAT ROAD CLOSURE AND REROUTING HAPPENS, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED AS NEEDING A LIGHT AND A TURN LANE. BUT IF NONE OF THAT'S THERE AND WE'RE TAKING THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DOWN THAT ROAD, IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE MORE DANGEROUS. SO I JUST THINK BOTH THOSE THINGS ARE SO CLOSELY INTERTWINED, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING THAT INTERSECTION AND GETTING THIS BRIDGE REPLACED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO DELAY A BRIDGE REPLACEMENT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, JUST REPLACING BRIDGES FOR FUN. BUT YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO TAKE PEOPLE DOWN TO AN INTERSECTION THAT'S NOT SAFE. WE ARE IN REGULAR COMMUNICATION WITH THE STATE HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION ON THAT SPECIFIC ISSUE AND HAVE RAISED FOR THEIR BENEFIT THE KNOWLEDGE 
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OF OUR PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO INFLUENCE THE TIMING OF THAT. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THE QUARTERLY MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE WITH STATE HIGHWAY, BECAUSE WE REVIEW THE PROGRESS OF OUR PROJECTS AND THEIRS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT COORDINATION GOES ON. SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. I APPRECIATE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE INTERSECTION I HEAR ABOUT THE ABSOLUTE MOST OF ANYTHING. SO THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, MR. WALSH. OKAY. JUMPING TO THE ROADWAY PORTION OF THE REQUEST, I REFER YOU TO PAGE 306. OUTLINES ALL THE PROJECTS IN THE ROADWAY PORTION. THE TOTAL REQUEST IS $5.9 MILLION. I'LL HIT ON A COUPLE OF THE BIGGER PROJECTS. PAGE 307 ALDINO ROAD, GILBERT ROAD. TORRENT SHIP CONVERSION TO ASPHALT. WE'RE ASKING FOR $850,000 IN THAT PROJECT, AND THIS WILL BE FOR THE CONVERSION OF. ALEX STEPNEY FROM 22 TO GILBERT AND FROM GILBERT TO LONG DRIVE. CONVERSION OF THE TORRENT CHIP TO ASPHALT. DUE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE. NEXT ONE I WANT TO MENTION IS PAGE 317. TOLLGATE ROAD, VALE ROAD, CORRIDOR. WE'RE ASKING FOR $250,000 TO GO INTO THIS ACCOUNT. THERE'S MULTIPLE PROJECTS IN THAT CORRIDOR THAT ARE ON THE HORIZON REALIGNING VALE ROAD, VALE ROAD AT CARRS MILL. SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE VICINITY OF THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER AND THEN REALIGNING THE S-CURVE AT JENNY ROAD. SO THE COUNTY HAS SOME PROPERTY OUT THERE AND HOPES TO DO THOSE PROJECTS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS. THE OTHER PROJECT I WANT TO MENTION IS PAGE THREE. 21 WOODLEY ROAD. YAY! I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT WE RECEIVED FINAL SIGNED DOCUMENTS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THIS WEEK. 
          WOW, IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD THANKS TO MANY PEOPLE, MAINLY MR. HABEL BACK HERE, WHO'S BEEN RUNNING THAT PROJECT FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS OR SO. SO THIS FUNDING REQUEST FOR WOODLEY IS SORT OF THE FINAL PIECE OF THE FUNDING REQUEST. THIS WILL COVER UNANTICIPATED COSTS IN CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE ARE IN THAT CONTRACTING PROCESS AND HOPE TO START CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. SO GREAT NEWS FOR THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW EVERYBODY'S BEEN ASKING ABOUT THAT FOR MANY YEARS, AND WE'RE REALLY HAPPY TO GET IT TO THIS POINT. SO I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS FOR OVER NINE YEARS AND WAS VERY PLEASED TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ESTIMATES THIS PAST TUESDAY AND VOTE ON THE FUNDING FOR NOT ONLY THE THE SWITCH STATION TO BE MOVED, BUT THE ROADS TO BE STARTED. IT IS A HUGE PUBLIC SAFETY PIECE FOR THE CITIZENS OF PERRYMAN, FOR ALL OF US IN HARFORD COUNTY, REALLY. AND IT'S. I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ANSWER, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS, I THINK, FOR COMMANDING GENERALS AT APG TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. THREE ADMINISTRATIONS THAT I KNOW OF, MOVING IT FORWARD. SO I'M VERY, VERY PLEASED. AND JOE, YOU SAID THIS MORNING THAT YOU BELIEVE THIS IS UNDER BUDGET. THIS PROJECT'S GOING TO BE UNDER BUDGET. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT'S AWESOME. AWESOME. MR. BENNETT, GOOD MORNING. I CAN CROSS WOODLEY ROAD OFF MY LIST OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT UPDATE. WHERE ARE WE? IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE IN AN ENDLESS SERIES OF DELAYS ON ROAD WITH NOT JUST THE SIDEWALKS, BUT WITH GETTING ANY SORT OF SIGNAGE OR THE VEHICLE HEIGHT MONITORING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE AT FIRST I HEARD WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE VEHICLE HEIGHT MONITORING SYSTEM INSTALLED YET, BUT WE'RE GOING TO UPGRADE SIGNAGE. BUT THERE'S BEEN NO UPGRADE TO SIGNAGE. AND THAT'S BEEN WELL OVER A YEAR SINCE THAT CONVERSATION. SO WHERE ARE WE ON SHOW ROAD WITH GETTING ANYTHING DONE. SO. THE CONTACT AGENT HAS BEEN OUT CONTACTING FOLKS. WE'RE WORKING ON LAND ACQUISITION RIGHT NOW. YEAH, IT'S GOING VERY SLOW, MUCH SLOWER THAN WE'D LIKE. BUT THE THE RIGHT OF WAY HAS ENDED UP BEING VERY COMPLICATED OUT THERE. SO THE PLAT PREPARATION ENDED UP TAKING MUCH LONGER THAN WE HAD HOPED. BUT WE'RE OUT THERE ACTUALLY KNOCKING ON DOORS AND TRYING TO ACQUIRE RIGHTS OF WAY FOR THE PROJECT. 
          BUT IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT. IT'S AN OLDER AREA. SO AGAIN, IT'S WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE ISSUES OUT THERE AND THAT EXPLAINS THE SIDEWALKS. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE VEHICLE HEIGHT 
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MONITORING, THE VEHICLE HEIGHT MONITORING. THERE'S A FUNDING REQUEST. I'LL GET TO IT LATER. 
          BUT THERE IS FUNDING IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT. COUNTY HAS BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE THE LOGISTICS WITH THE VENDOR. AND WE'RE AT THE FINAL STAGES OF NEGOTIATING, NEGOTIATING CONTRACT TERMS WITH WITH THAT VENDOR. SO IT'S MOVING FORWARD. YOU THINK IT WILL. WE'LL SEE A SYSTEM SITTING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THIS FISCAL YEAR. WE WOULD HOPE SO. OKAY. AND THEN THE SIGNING PART OF IT, WE CAN GET A FINAL UPDATE FROM STATE HIGHWAY. BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF SIGNAGE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO. THERE WERE SOME SIGNAGE THAT THE COUNTY DID, WHICH WE DID. GLENN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE ANY CURRENT UPDATES ON THAT FROM STATE HIGHWAY, BUT WE ASK THEM EVERY QUARTERLY MEETING AND SOME OF THE BIGGER SIGNS WERE IN THE QUEUE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE DESIGNED SPECIAL. IT JUST TAKES A WHILE TO GET THINGS OUT OF STATE HIGHWAY. SOMETIMES THAT ARE NOT EASY. SOME OF THAT STUFF WAS NOT EASY ON THE THE BROAD SIGNAGE REQUEST OR CHANGE AND THOSE THAT SIGNAGE BENEFITS US. IT DOESN'T DIRECTLY BENEFIT STATE HIGHWAY. SO THAT'S NOT AN EXCUSE FOR THEM TO TAKE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE. HOWEVER, I UNDERSTAND IT. BUT THAT IS ALSO WHY. UNFORTUNATELY IT TAKES LONGER BECAUSE ALL THE SIGNAGE THAT IS LOCAL TO US ALONG. BUT ONCE THE. ONCE THE VEHICLES WIND UP, ONCE THEY'RE ALREADY TOO LATE. THE KEY THING IS TO HAVE THE WARNING SYSTEM ON THE STATE ROADS ON EITHER SIDE. SO WE CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH STATE HIGHWAY TO CONTINUE TO WORK IT THROUGH THEIR SCHEDULE AND THEIR TIMING AND THEIR PRIORITIES TO MATCH OURS. THANK YOU. AND I WANTED TO ASK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BELCAMP. I KNOW I HAD YOU ALL MEET UP WITH ME AND RESIDENTS FROM THE BELCAMP COMMUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE INTERSECTION THERE THAT CROSSES LOCAL AND STATE ROADS. 
          I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE COUNTY SIDE OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING MORE CLARIFICATION IN THE ROAD MARKINGS FOR THE WHICH LANE TO BE IN ON CHURCH CREEK ROAD. AND WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BETTER SIGNAGE ON CHURCH CREEK ROAD TO GUIDE DRIVERS INTO WHAT LANE TO BE IN. HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROGRESS ON THOSE THINGS SINCE WE MET? I DO KNOW THE STATE HAS COME OUT AND PUT IN BETTER LIGHTS AT THE INTERSECTIONS SO THAT YOU CAN BETTER SEE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. NOW, OUR FOLKS HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED THE PROJECT AND ARE WORKING TOWARDS A PLAN. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE FINISHED THAT FULL EVALUATION YET. GLENN, DO YOU REMEMBER? YEAH, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PLAN, BUT WE ARE INTENDING TO IMPROVE THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND THE SIGNING OF CHURCH CREEK ROAD. AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE STATE'S DOING AT THE INTERSECTION OF 43 AND CHURCH, REQUIRED TO SEE IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING WITH THE SIGN, WITH ALL THAT TIES INTO THE SIGNAL. AND WE'LL SHARE THAT FINAL PLAN WITH YOU WHEN WE'RE WHEN IT'S FULLY VETTED AND AND DOES CHANGING WHERE THE SCHOOL ZONE. 
          AND IS THAT A DECISION LOCALLY OR STATE THE SCHOOLS AREN'T ON? 543 WOULD BE A STATE DECISION. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT INTERSECTION TO ME AND TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CHILD PASSED AWAY THIS PAST CHRISTMAS TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET WITH THEIR SIBLING AND THEY WERE CROSSING THE STREET LEGALLY, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S JUST A SHAME. WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT INTERSECTIONS ARE SAFE FOR CHILDREN. AND THEN I KNOW THIS IS ON THE SAME STATE ROAD, BUT STATE HIGHWAY SAID THAT NO IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY VEHICLE SIGNAL WAS REQUESTED FOR 543, WHERE THE NEW BELL CAMP STATION IS, WHICH WAS KIND OF A SURPRISE TO US THAT NOBODY HAD SAID, HEY, WE NEED A FLASHING YELLOW SIGN THAT TELLS DRIVERS THAT THEY'RE COMING UP ON A FIRE STATION, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT HERE IN BEL AIR WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING PAST THE BEL AIR STATION, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT AT THE BELL CAMP STATION, SINCE SO MUCH OF THAT TRAFFIC IS PEOPLE HOPPING FROM 95 TO 40. PROBABLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, JUST USING IT TO GET FROM ONE MAJOR ROAD TO ANOTHER AND TOTAL. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT PEOPLE KNOW THEY'RE COMING UP ON A FIRE STATION. THERE COULD BE A FIRE TRUCK PULLING OUT. DO YOU HAVE ANY CLARIFICATION ON THAT? DID WE AS A COUNTY NOT ASK FOR THE STATE TO PUT IN A FLASHING YELLOW? YEAH, WE'LL GET YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT. OKAY. LET ME SEE. AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF SEVEN AND 136. I THINK THAT'S ALL CULVER'S IS THAT UNDER THIS BUDGET I CULVER WORK IS THAT BRIDGES IS HOW WE'RE DOING A LOT OF CREATIVE WORK IN BOX HILL. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE CALLING IT A CULVERT PROJECT. IS THAT FUNDED THROUGH THIS PORTION OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET? THE WORK WE'RE DOING IN BOX HILL RIGHT NOW. IT IS. YEAH. THERE'S NOTHING FOR THE LAURA 
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BUSH CULVERT THAT WAS FUNDED LAST YEAR. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING THIS YEAR. 
          AGAIN, JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE CREATIVITY TO GET THAT DONE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE SUCH A RELIEF TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
          THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT. I HAVE A COUPLE, A COUPLE MORE, A COUPLE MORE ITEMS, IF I COULD. 
          I'M SORRY. HOLD ON, MR. ROBERT. SORRY. I'M GOOD TO SEE. JOPPA FARM ROAD IS IN THERE. I KNOW THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SPEEDING AND OTHER THINGS WITH THOSE ROADS. QUESTION THE COMMUNITY HAS ASKED ME AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN STARTED. THE ROAD TO COPPER MINE AND OUT TO TRIMBLE. HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE DONE IN TIME FOR THE SUMMER COMPETITIONS AND THINGS? I COULDN'T TELL WHEN I DROVE BY. IT JUST KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN THE SAME POSITION EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY. YES, MA'AM. IT SHOULD BE FINISHED IN THE NEXT MONTH AND A HALF. TWO MONTHS. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. THE CONNECTION FROM CEDAR TO WILLOUGHBY BEACH ROAD. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE CALLED COPPER PLEX WAY. IS THAT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE CALLED? IT'S GONNA BE THE NAME OF THE ROAD. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, I'D LIKE TO REFER YOU TO PAGE 336. THE ROAD RESURFACING ROADWAY BUDGET ITEM. THE REQUEST IS FOR $5,581,629. AGAIN, THAT'S THE. FUNDING SOURCE FOR ROAD RESURFACING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. AND THEN I'D LIKE TO REFER YOU TO PAGE 338, WHICH IS THE MISCELLANEOUS HIGHWAY. PART OF THE BUDGET. PAGE 340 FLEET REPLACEMENT. WE'RE ASKING FOR $4,500,000 FOR THE EVER IMPORTANT VEHICLES THAT WE USE. WHAT'S THE COST OF A DUMP TRUCK NOW? ONES THAT WE EQUIP PUSHING HALF A MILLION. WHAT WERE THEY FIVE YEARS AGO? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN GOING. I KNOW I'M JUST HIGHER FOR INFLATION. AGAIN, WE CAN GET THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS FOR YOU. BUT YEAH, COST OF TRUCKS IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT. SO YOU PLAN ON BUYING ONE? NO, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY COST. SO I WILL TELL YOU, I WILL TELL YOU THAT FLEET DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB WHEN THEY COME TO PRESENT AT THE BOARD OF ESTIMATES, WHEN THEY HAVE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT REQUESTING, THEY NOT ONLY TALK ABOUT THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT, BUT THEY EXPLAIN WHAT THE WHAT THE EQUIPMENT DOES, WHAT JOB IT PERFORMS, THE NECESSARY NECESSITY OF IT. AND THEY WHAT I REALLY APPRECIATE IS THE FACT THAT THEY GIVE THE AGE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT TO DATE AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE, THE LIFE THAT'S LEFT IN IT, AND THE RESALE VALUE WHEN THEY TAKE IT TO AUCTION AND USE THOSE FUNDS TO GO AGAINST THE PURCHASE OF THE NEW VEHICLE, IT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT ON EVERYTHING THEY DO, THOSE ARE THE BIG ITEMS WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT. SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WERE GOOD. HOW LONG DO WE KEEP A TRUCK FOR? WHAT'S THE USEFUL LIFE OF A TRUCK? IS IT MILEAGE? IS IT AGE? BOTH. AGAIN, IT'S BOTH AND AND FLEET TRACKS ALL THAT STUFF AND RECOMMENDS SORT OF THE OUTCOME ON THE SWEET SPOT FOR GETTING RID OF THE VEHICLE. YEAH. BUT I GUESS IT'S GOOD TO KNOW WE PROBABLY TAKE THEM TO RICHIE BROTHERS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SELL THEM. THERE'S ALWAYS A SECONDARY MARKET FOR THAT, SO THAT HELPS. YEAH. OKAY. THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. I MISSED THAT. WHAT WAS THAT? YOU KNOW. NO YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD. MOVE ON, MOVE ON. COUNCIL PRESIDENT. MR. RILEY, AGAIN, THIS IS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE THAT TRACKS THAT TRACKS THE APPLE DOESN'T FALL FAR FROM THE TREE. I'M SURE STEVE HAS SOMETHING TO MOVE ON TO MOVE ON. THAT'S THE CAPITAL FOR HIGHWAYS. ARE WE? ARE WE ALL GOOD? WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, GET OUT. ON THAT NOTE, WE WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT GROUP B, THE SAME PERSONNEL UP HERE. 
          LET ME JUST PUT THE PAGES AROUND HERE A LITTLE BIT. WHERE ARE WE HEADED TO? WE ARE GOING TO START ON PAGE 411. THE DIVISION OF THE OPERATING BUDGET. SORRY. 411 OF THE OPERATING BUDGET. THE DIVISION OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. ALL CAPITAL PROJECTS HAS A TOTAL BUDGET OF 1,898,479, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OF 123,595 AND IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. PERSONAL 
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SERVICES INCREASES 118,745. THAT'S THE RESULT OF SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OF 8657. TEMPORARY SALARIES INCREASED $19. COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 71,276. PENSION INCREASE IS 20,919. 
          HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 15,905. RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASE 12,149. WORKER'S COMP DECREASES 3125 AND THEN OPEB DECREASES 5950. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS INCREASE. $900 FOR UNIFORMS, SUPPLIES AND SAFETY EQUIPMENT. BUSINESS AND TRAVEL INCREASE 5000 FOR ADDITIONAL VEHICLE EXPENSE AND EXPANDED TRAINING. 
          MISCELLANEOUS DECREASE IS $1,050 FOR PRO RATA SHARES. NEXT IS FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS, WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE 415. THE TOTAL BUDGET OF 8,213,629 IS AN INCREASE OF 401,403 AND IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 232,523. THAT'S THE RESULT OF TURNOVER SAVINGS OF 110,497, PARTIALLY OFFSET BY SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OF 9688, THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 181,531. THERE WAS TWO NEW MAINTENANCE MECHANIC POSITIONS CREATED FOR FY 27, AT A COST OF 191,406, AND THERE WAS ONE CUSTODIAL WORKER TRANSFERRED OUT TO HIGHWAYS MAINTENANCE AT A COST OR I'M SORRY, AT A SAVINGS TO THIS DIVISION OF 94,541, TEMPORARY SALARIES DECREASE 24,606. PENSIONS INCREASE 11,488. WORKER'S COMP DECREASES 9354. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 52,525. RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASES 36,367. OPEB DECREASES 6622 AND FICA DECREASES DUE TO TURNOVER OF 9862 AND OVERTIME INCREASES BASED ON ACTUAL EXPENSES BY $5,000. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES INCREASES 135 100. THAT'S THE RESULT OF HEATING FUEL INCREASES BASED ON ACTUALS OF 7000 FACILITY REPAIR AND RENOVATION INCREASES BASED ON PROJECTED NEEDS OF 50,000 WATER AND SEWER INCREASES BASED ON PROJECTION PROJECTIONS TOTALING 2000 ELECTRICITY INCREASES, 19,100 BUILDING AND CUSTODIAL SERVICES INCREASES 26,000. AND THAT'S ALL PARTIALLY OFFSET BY A DECREASE IN SECURITY SYSTEM BASED ON ACTUALS, AT A DECREASE OF 5000 SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS INCREASES 32,000 FOR POSTAGE, OFFICE MAILING AND PAPER SUPPLIES, PARTIALLY OFFSET BY DECREASES FOR EQUIPMENT REPAIR PARTS, BUSINESS AND TRAVEL INCREASES. 7000 FOR COUNTY OWNED VEHICLES AND VEHICLE MAINTENANCE. MISCELLANEOUS DECREASES 5002 20 FOR PRO RATA SHARES, AND THERE'S NO CHANGE IN INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEAST ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT BEGINS ON PAGE FOUR. 19 TOTAL BUDGET OF 1,558,000 138 IS AN INCREASE OF 82,921 AND IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 9683. THAT'S THE RESULT OF THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 6000 118 PENSION INCREASES $1,003. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 1400 AND OPEB INCREASES 1002 30. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES INCREASES 73,000 239 FOR SPACE AND REAL ESTATE RENTAL COUNTY FACILITY REPAIR, HEATING, FUEL AND ELECTRICITY. AND THERE'S NO CHANGE IN SUPPLIES OF MATERIALS OR INTERGOVERNMENTAL. NEXT IS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE FOUR. 23. TOTAL BUDGET OF 1,782,692 IS AN INCREASE OF 210,463 AND IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 208,137. AS A RESULT OF SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OF 57,672, THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 36,204. THERE WAS ONE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT TRANSFERRED FROM CONSTRUCTION 
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INSPECTIONS AT A COST TO THIS DIVISION OF 111,814. TEMPORARY SALARIES DECREASED $24,080. 
          PENSIONS INCREASE 12,647. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASED 7000. OPEB INCREASES 4264. RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASES 1000 $1,037, AND FICA INCREASES DUE TO SALARY ADJUSTMENTS TOTALING 2570. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS INCREASES, 2800 FOR SAFETY EQUIPMENT AND GENERAL OFFICE MAILING. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN BUSINESS AND TRAVEL. MISCELLANEOUS DECREASES 474 FOR PRO RATA SHARES, AND THERE'S NO CHANGE IN INTERGOVERNMENTAL SOLID WASTE ADMINISTRATION AND ENGINEERING BEGINS ON PAGE FOUR. 29. TOTAL BUDGET OF 228,506 IS AN INCREASE OF 9046 AND IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 9202. THAT'S THE RESULT OF THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 8165. PENSIONS INCREASE 1566. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 1400. OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS DECREASES 1008 20 AND MISCELLANEOUS DECREASES $156 FOR PRO RATA SHARES. SOLID WASTE TRANSFER STATION BEGINS ON PAGE 432. THE TOTAL BUDGET OF 21,949,483 IS AN INCREASE OF 2,549,483 AND IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES INCREASES 2,000,005 49483 FOR THE TRANSFER STATION AGREEMENT WITH BALTIMORE COUNTY, WHICH HAS BEEN ADJUSTED BASED ON ESTIMATED CHARGES. NEXT IS SOLID WASTE ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE 434. THE TOTAL BUDGET OF 7,240,000 288 IS AN INCREASE OF 172,957 AND IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES INCREASES 201,957. THAT'S THE RESULT OF THE INCREASE IN THE CONTRACT FOR LANDFILL OPERATIONS, TOTALING 214,957. ELECTRICITY AND TELEPHONE INCREASES 2000. AND THAT'S PARTIALLY OFFSET BY A DECREASE IN FUNDING FOR COMMUNITY CLEANUP EVENTS BASED ON ACTUALS AT A SAVINGS OF 15,000. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS AND BUSINESS, AND TRAVEL DECREASES 29,000 FOR FLEET MAINTENANCE AND FUEL. 
          NEXT IS SOLID WASTE POST CLOSURE, WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE FOUR, 436. TOTAL BUDGET OF 315,903 IS A DECREASE OF $265 AND IS IN THE GENERAL FUND. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES DECREASES 265 BASED ON ACTUALS FOR ELECTRICITY, TELEPHONE MONITORING AND REMEDIATION ACTIVITIES AT THE TOLL GATE AND SPENCER'S LANDFILLS. CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS BEGINS ON PAGE 438. THE TOTAL BUDGET OF 2,883,635 IS AN INCREASE OF 46,777 AND IS IN THE HIGHWAYS FUND. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 6577 AS A RESULT OF TURNOVER. SAVINGS OF 22,576. 
          SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AT A SAVINGS OF 1817. COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 82,405. THERE WAS ONE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT POSITION TRANSFERRED TO SALT TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AT A SAVINGS TO THIS DIVISION OF 109,696. PENSIONS INCREASE 9955. WORKER'S COMP DECREASES 4277. 
          HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 22,400. OPEB INCREASE IS 12,300. RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASES 19,749 AND FICA DECREASES DUE TO TURNOVER AT A SAVINGS OF 1866. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES INCREASES 41,400 FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, STAFFING, IMPROVEMENTS TO SOFTWARE AND GIS SYSTEMS AND TELEPHONE SERVICE, PARTIALLY OFFSET BY A DECREASE IN FAX SERVICES, SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS. DECREASES 1900 FOR SAFETY EQUIPMENT, GENERAL OFFICE SUPPLIES AND UNIFORM PURCHASE, ALL BASED ON ACTUAL SPENDING, BUSINESS AND TRAVEL INCREASES. 700 FOR STAFF TRAINING AND THERE'S NO CHANGE IN INTERGOVERNMENTAL WATERSHED MANAGEMENT BEGINS ON PAGE 442. THE TOTAL BUDGET OF 4,941,200 
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IS AN INCREASE OF 972,214 AND IS IN THE WATERSHED MANAGEMENT FUND. PERSONAL SERVICES DECREASES 83,338. THAT'S THE RESULT OF TURNOVER SAVINGS OF 95,680, THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 41,330. TEMPORARY SALARIES DECREASE 48,000 255. PENSIONS DECREASED DUE TO TURNOVER AT A SAVINGS OF 6000 TWO. 28 WORKER'S COMP DECREASES 2003 98. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 9800 OPEB INCREASES 2000 257. RH INCREASES 26,512 AND FICA DECREASES. 11,356. 
          THERE IS NO CHANGE IN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS. DECREASES 500 FOR GENERAL OFFICE SUPPLIES, PRINTING AND UNIFORM PURCHASE BUSINESS AND TRAVEL INCREASES. 
          6096 FOR FUEL, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE AND TRAINING AND MISCELLANEOUS INCREASES. 
          1,049,956 FOR WATERSHED SUPPORT PAYMENTS TO THE MUNICIPALITIES, PER THE MOA AS WELL, AS WELL AS FOR PRO RATA SHARES. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS GROUP. JUST A COUPLE THINGS REAL QUICK. I THINK, FIRST AND FOREMOST, ON BEHALF OF MISS DIXON, WHO IS NOT IN THE CHAMBER OR COUNCIL ADMINISTRATOR, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE THAT THEY GIVE TO COUNCIL AND ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OFFICES. WHENEVER WE HAVE AN ISSUE OR A QUESTION, THEY'RE ALWAYS HERE. AND I KNOW THAT MISS DIXON OR JEANETTE OUT FRONT ALWAYS ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE CALLS FOR THE MOST PART. BUT I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND THANK THAT RIGHT AWAY. INSPECTORS, CONSTRUCTION INSPECTORS, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN THE FIELD? 14 OR SO OF THE COUNTY INSPECTORS. THEN WE SUPPLEMENT THAT WITH WITH OUTSOURCED INSPECTORS AS WELL. SO HOW MANY OF THESE ARE THE DPW ROAD AND BRIDGE INSPECTIONS? NOT, NOT THE INSPECTION AND FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, PERMITS AND STUFF. YEAH. THAT'LL BE WHEN. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANYONE MISS EMHOFF OKAY. GOOD MORNING. SO I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONTRACTUAL UNDER CONSTRUCTION INSPECTIONS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT MY WHEELHOUSE. BUT WHEN THEY SAID CONSTRUCT CONTRACTUAL SERVICES OR PAYING 627,350. AND THEN BUT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, IT TALKS ABOUT CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT. STAFFING IS HOW IS THAT CONNECTED? SO WE HAVE THE. SURE. IT'S. 439 SO I GUESS I THINK OF LIKE THE INSPECTORS AS THE INSPECTORS, I DON'T EXPECT THEM TO BE MANAGING CONSTRUCTION STAFF. RIGHT. WHAT TIME ARE YOU GOING. OKAY. THE CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR'S ROLE IS TO OBSERVE THE CONTRACTOR AS THEY DO THEIR WORK, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS AND THE CONTRACT DRAWINGS. THAT'S THEIR ROLE. THERE IS A AND WE HAVE BOTH COUNTY INSPECTORS, AND WE HAVE CONTRACTUAL INSPECTORS THAT DO A SIMILAR JOB. AND THE REASON WE HAVE THAT SEPARATE CONTRACT IS THE WORKLOAD GOES UP AND DOWN. WE STAFF COUNTY EMPLOYEES FOR THE BASELINE. 
          OKAY. AND AS THAT SEASONAL CHANGE OR THE WORKLOAD CHANGE GOES UP AND DOWN, WE RETAIN THE SERVICES OF CONSULTANTS. THAT'S THAT'S OUR BASIS. OKAY. CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT IS A DIFFERENT ROLE. IT'S A ROLE THAT IS USED OFTEN ON MOST MORE, MORE COMPLICATED CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. YOU'LL HEAR FROM WATER AND SEWER. THEY USE CONSTRUCTION MANAGERS. THEY HAVE THEY ARE MORE HIGHLY COMPENSATED. THEY'RE MORE HIGHLY EXPERIENCED. AND THEY ACTUALLY FUNCTION IN A ROLE THAT IS SIMILAR TO OUR INTERNAL ENGINEERS AND MANAGERS ON OUR BEHALF. OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION VERSUS CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, BECAUSE THE, THE FEES WE PAY ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE SERVICE IS DIFFERENT. THAT'S WHY WE MAKE SURE THAT WE BUDGET FOR THEM DIFFERENTLY. OKAY. AND THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I THINK SO, YEAH. SO IT MAKES SENSE IN REGARDS TO SOME MORE COMPLEX PROJECTS. YOU WOULD BRING IN SOME ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IF WE NEEDED THEM, IF YOU NEEDED THEM. RIGHT. AND THEN. HOLD ON ONE 
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SECOND. OH. WE CAN COME BACK. OH, I SEE IT ON 443. WE'RE PAYING MORE FOR THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES THAN THE SALARIES AND WAGES. IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH YEARS PAST OR IS THAT. ON 443 SALARIES AND WAGES. WAGES IS 1,120,000. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES IS 1,508,000. IS THAT CONSISTENT OR IS THAT SPECIFIC TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW? IT'S IT'S SPECIFIC AND UNIQUE TO THE WATERSHED MANAGEMENT GROUP. OKAY. HIGHLY SPECIALIZED, HIGHLY SPECIALIZED, SPECIALIZED TECHNICAL FOLKS IN A RELATIVELY NEW TECHNICAL AREA, WHICH IS STREAM RESTORATION AND WATERSHED PROTECTION. AND SO IT ALSO IS KIND OF A, AN EBB AND FLOW, KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF AN EBB AND FLOW. AND WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND TO HIRE. 
          AND THERE ARE CONSULTANTS OUT THERE THAT HAVE THE EXPERTISE THAT WE WILL, WILL PAY THEM TO, TO BRING THAT EXPERTISE TO US. SO THAT'S HOW WE, WE TRY TO BALANCE THAT WITH THE REALITIES OF HOW CAN WE FIND ENOUGH PEOPLE, OR HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE FUND ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE RESOURCES FROM THE SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS THAT WE USE? OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT. THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. PAT'S ABSENT. TONY JUMPS IN. THIS USED TO BE KNOWN AS THE DIVISION OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY. THE AND AND THE SUSTAINABILITY ARE BOTH GONE. CAN YOU TALK THROUGH THE NAME CHANGE AND WHAT THAT MEANS? WHAT HOW DOES IT CHANGE THE THE SCOPE AND GOALS OF THE DIVISION? IT'S REALLY MORE OF A IT'S REALLY MORE OF A BUDGET BOOK PRESENTATION FUNCTION THAN AN ACTUAL OPERATIONAL CHANGE IN DPW. WE ACTUALLY ADDED A TAB FOR DPW GENERAL SERVICES JUST TO CONTAIN THE DIVISIONS OF CAPITAL PROJECTS AND FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS. THEY'RE ALREADY IN DPW. IT'S JUST IT JUST GOT TO BE THAT THAT TAB WAS WAS SORT OF BECAME LIKE A MISCELLANEOUS. AND WE WANTED TO PUT A LITTLE MORE STRUCTURE TO IT AND JUST CHANGING FROM ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THE CAPITAL PROJECT FACILITIES AND OPS OUT. SO REALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATERSHED. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER AND THOSE SORT OF RELATED THINGS. AGAIN, NOT AN OPERATIONAL CHANGE IN ANY WAY, JUST MORE OF A BUDGET BOOK PRESENTATION. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT US TAKING STEPS AWAY FROM EMBRACING SUSTAINABILITY. ABSOLUTELY NOT. OUR MISSION IS NOT CHANGED. THE TITLE OF THE GROUP IS SHORTER, BUT THE AGAIN, THROUGHOUT DPW, OUR MISSION IS PRIMARILY TO BE SUSTAINABLE, TO BE EFFICIENT, TO TO RESPECT THE ENVIRONMENT AND SO ON. SO THAT IS PART OF OUR DNA AND WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY. THE TITLE IS FOR CONVENIENCE PRIMARILY. RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW, THAT ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY IS ALSO FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY. WHEN WE MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT HAVING ANOTHER BOX HILL TYPE SITUATION 30 YEARS FROM NOW, ALL THAT WORK GOES TOGETHER TO SAVE US MONEY AND TO MAKE US MORE COMFORTABLE OUT IN THE WORLD. SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAD. ANYONE ELSE? GOOD MORNING. ON PAGE, YOU NEED YOUR MICROPHONE. YOU NEED YOUR MICROPHONE. ON PAGE 417, THERE'S A LINE ITEM THAT INCLUDES POSTAGE FOR $32,000. 
          WHAT? WHAT ARE WE MAILING? OH YEAH. SO FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS IS IN CHARGE OF OUR MAILROOM FOR FOR ALL OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT. SO DOES THAT INCLUDE WATER BILLS, WATER AND SEWER BILLS? NO, BECAUSE THOSE THOSE ARE PAID THROUGH THE WATER AND SEWER FUND. SO THAT'S SPECIFIC GROUP. ROBBIE. IS THAT. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S UNDER THAT IS UNDER WATER AND SEWER UNDER WATER. BUT I THINK IT'S UNDER ACTUALLY UNDER THE TREASURY'S WATER AND SEWER BUDGET. SO I THINK IT'S ALL OF THE OTHER MAILINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THOSE BILLS THAT ARE COMING FROM TREASURY. SO HAVE WE CONSIDERED THE WATER AND SEWER BILLS TO BE ONLINE RATHER THAN IN THE MAIL? WITH THE COST OF POSTAGE? WE WE OFFER THOSE JUST LIKE WE OFFER. YOU CAN SET UP YOUR WATER AND SEWER BILL NOW FOR AUTOPAY AND AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE WE STILL, YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL STILL MAILING THEM BECAUSE I THINK THAT NOT 
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MAILING THEM WOULD. WELL, ONE, I MEAN, WITHIN THE AREA OF PROPERTY TAXES, WE WOULD RUN INTO SOME LEGAL ISSUES. AND EVEN WITH WATER AND SEWER, THE SAME THING. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ARE STILL MAILING THEM, YOU KNOW, TO THOSE ADDRESSES. WHAT STORY GETS REAL TRICKY BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE SOMEBODY PAYING THE WATER BILL WHO'S NOT NECESSARILY THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND ALSO, BUT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO SET UP YOUR WATER AND SEWER BILL FOR AUTOPAY, WHICH IS I, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AND THEN YOU NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AGAIN. I HAVE OH, WELL, TELL YOUR FRIENDS. YEAH, YOU STILL SEND ME THE PAPER. SO THANK YOU. HI AGAIN. EASIER QUESTION THIS TIME, I PROMISE. SO ON PAGE 416 OF THE OPERATING BUDGET, WHERE WE HAVE TWO MAINTENANCE AND PAYMENTS TO POSITION, IS THAT REPLACING OUTSOURCED WORK OR IS THAT EXPANDING THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT? SORRY, CAN YOU JUST PULL THE MICROPHONE CLOSER? SOME OF US ARE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU ON THIS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, YES. ALL RIGHT. SO ON PAGE 416 OF THE OPERATING BUDGET UNDER WHERE WE HAVE TWO NEW MAINTENANCE MECHANIC POSITIONS, IS THAT REPLACING WORK THAT WE'VE OUTSOURCED OR IS THAT EXPANDING THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT? I THINK I THINK IT'S IT'S REACTING TO THE EXPANSION OF THE FOOTPRINT OF, YOU KNOW, COUNTY RESPONSIBILITIES. I'LL LET STEVE ANSWER THAT. IT ALSO IS REACTING TO THE FACT THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS AGING. OUR BUILDINGS ARE GETTING OLDER, OUR TECHNOLOGY IN THE HEATING, VENTILATING AND AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEMS ARE GETTING MORE COMPLEX. SO THE, I GUESS THE, THE TECHNICAL CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH MANAGING OUR BUILDING INVENTORY ARE INCREASING. AND THAT'S PRIMARILY IT. SO THEN I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. WITH THAT POINT IN TIME, ARE WE STARTING TO LOOK AT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BUILDING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE? I KNOW THAT WE HAD CONVERSATIONS. THANK YOU. SURE. WE HAD CONVERSATIONS YESTERDAY AROUND A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS AROUND THE COUNTY THAT'S AGING. SO ARE WE AT A PLACE WHERE THE ENTIRE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE RENOVATED, OR ARE WE NOT THERE YET? I MEAN, WE I'M NOT SURE. TOP OF MY HEAD HOW MANY DIFFERENT COUNTY BUILDINGS WE HAVE AND HOW MANY BUILDINGS WE WE MANAGE. BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE CONSTANTLY LOOK AT OWNED BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO LEASE SPACE. WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT AT LEAST SPACE DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE, IS THERE A COUNTY OWNED FACILITY THAT WE CAN MAKE BETTER USE OF? AS WE ALL KNOW, LEASES CAN BE EXPENSIVE. WE ARE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TRYING TO UTILIZE EXISTING COUNTY SPACE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF MAJOR RENOVATION VERSUS PIECEMEAL REPAIRS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A TEAM OF EXPERTS THAT MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. AND WHEN IT BECOMES OR WHEN IT WOULD BE TOO EXPENSIVE TO CONTINUE MAINTAINING AND JUST PATCHING THINGS UP, WE MAY HAVE TO DO A SIGNIFICANT RENOVATION, BUT IN TERMS OF PART OF THE LARGER DISCUSSION OF WHEN DO WE CREATE A COUNTY POSITION, KIND OF DOVETAILS INTO WHAT WE WERE SAYING YESTERDAY ABOUT PERMANENT POSITIONS VERSUS TEMPORARY POSITIONS. AND TO THAT, I WOULD ADD, VERSUS SORT OF CONTRACTED SERVICES WHEN WE WHEN WE SEE THAT WE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY AND I GUESS CONSISTENTLY NEEDING CONTRACTUAL, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES TO FILL THE GAP, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL EVALUATE, COULD THIS SHOULD THIS BE A PERMANENT POSITION? SHOULD THIS BE A TEMPORARY POSITION AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE THAT FLUCTUATES MORE? SO IT'S AGAIN, FINDING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND COUNTY EMPLOYEES. SO ARE YOU MAKING THOSE DECISIONS AND A STRATEGY SESSION YEAR AFTER YEAR. ARE YOU GIVING IT 24 MONTHS, 36 MONTHS? WHAT'S USUALLY AT TIME FRAME? YEAH, I MEAN, WE, WE, WE LOOK AT IT OVER THE LONG TERM, BUT WE, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE EVALUATE THAT ONLY ONCE A YEAR DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. WE EVALUATE THAT CONSTANTLY. WE MEET WEEKLY IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT JOB POSTINGS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED, LOOKING AT CONTRACTS THAT ARE COMING UP THROUGH THE BOARD OF ESTIMATES. WE HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AT A MANAGEMENT LEVEL IN TERMS OF DO WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE OR DO WE NEED TO INCREASE A CONTRACT? YOU KNOW, THE OUR THE NUMBER OF HOURS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CONTRACT. THANK YOU. SURE. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE SOME CAPITAL FOR THIS GROUP. THOSE. THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET. MOST ARE ON PAGE 57 OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET. PAGE 57. 
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YEAH. THERE'S A VARIETY OF PROJECTS IN THIS IN THIS BROAD CATEGORY. SO WE WERE JUST THINKING WE'D JUST TAKE SOME QUESTIONS. IF YOU CAN SEE THE, THE, THE VARIETY OF PROJECTS THERE, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM. I'M SORRY. SORRY. THERE'S CERTAINLY A WIDE VARIETY OF PROJECTS IN THIS GENERAL CATEGORY. SO WE CAN JUST TAKE QUESTIONS ON IT RATHER THAN GO THROUGH. MR. BENNETT, DEMOLITION OF ABANDONED BUILDINGS. I KNOW WE PASSED LEGISLATION TO SUPPORT YOU ALL AND EMPOWER YOU ALL TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. YEAH. AND THIS THIS IS ACTUALLY THIS IS ONE THAT'S MANAGED MOST ALMOST ALL OF THESE PROJECTS ARE MANAGED BY DPW. THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT'S MANAGED BY DILP. 
          OKAY. SO INSPECTIONS. BUT YES, THAT IS THAT IS A SORT OF A GOING TO BE AN ONGOING PROJECT POT OF MONEY TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS AS THEY COME UP. YOU KNOW, THE, THE IDEA IS THAT AS MONEY IS SPENT DOWN, WE'LL REPLENISH IT IN THE FOLLOWING BUDGET YEAR. YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT A LOT, BUT WHEN WE DO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. MISS IMHOFF, WHAT IS SAFEGUARDING BUSINESS OPERATIONS? SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A ICT PROJECT. IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S REGARDING LIKE CYBER SECURITY TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT COUNTY WIDE. YES. OKAY. AND THAT, THAT, THAT IS A PROJECT. AGAIN, WHEN I CTS HERE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT APPEARS HERE IN THE GENERAL FUND. BUT ALSO THERE'S A, THERE'S A CORRESPONDING PROJECT FOR THE HIGHWAYS FUND AND FOR THE WATER AND SEWER FUND. OKAY. 
          AND THEN FOR SITE ACQUISITION. I KNOW WE TALKED LAST YEAR ABOUT WE'D LIKE TO KEEP A POT OF MONEY TOGETHER IN CASE A PROPERTY COMES UP FOR A PROJECT THAT WE NEED. DO WE HAVE ANY PROJECTS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY SCOPING OUT RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF NEEDS AROUND THE COUNTY. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT WE NEED WE HAVE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SCHOOL CAPACITY IN THE ABERDEEN AREA. SO THAT IS PROBABLY NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST. BUT AGAIN, THERE THERE ARE OTHER AND I KNOW WE TALKED A NUMBER OF TIMES TODAY AND YESTERDAY ABOUT HAVING MONEY AVAILABLE AS THINGS COME UP AS OPPOSED TO REACTING AFTER THE FACT. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WHAT THAT MONEY IS FOR. OKAY. BUT THE ABERDEEN SCHOOL IS THE NUMBER ONE. DO WE HAVE LIKE TWO AND THREE? YEAH. I MEAN, IN A IN AN IDEAL SENSE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING THE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT LAND BANKING BECAUSE NOT JUST WHERE WE KNOW, LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO DEFINITELY NEED TO PUT A SCHOOL THERE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. BUT LONG TERM, WHERE SHOULD WE BE GETTING LAND? BECAUSE ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED, YOU REALLY CAN'T HAVE IT. SOME OF THOSE STATE ROADS, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THAT SEPARATE PROJECT FOR MAKING THOSE STATE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. BUT IF WE HAD TO PURCHASE ADDITIONAL LAND, THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT. I THINK WE WOULD ALSO DRAW UPON THOSE. BUT WE'VE USED THESE FUNDS ALSO IN THE PAST FOR SOME LARGER PARK PROJECTS THAT WE HAVEN'T IF WE WEREN'T ABLE TO LEVERAGE PROGRAM OPEN SPACE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A CATEGORY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE USED IT FOR OTHER TYPES OF OTHER TYPES OF PROPERTIES, BUT THERE ISN'T A, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WHERE IT'S LIKE, OH, THERE'S, THERE'S A PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY WHERE YOU ARE, WHERE YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS GOING TO CLOSE ITS OPPORTUNITY IN THE NEXT 60 DAYS. SO IT'S, IT'S LARGELY ABOUT, ABOUT THAT LONG TERM, THAT LONG TERM FLEXIBILITY. BUT WE KNOW THAT ALL OF THOSE THOSE NEEDS ARE OUT THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? MISS MR. PARRISH. YEAH. THE IT'S PAGE 64. THE LEASE SBITA ASSETS. IT SAYS THESE FUNDS WILL BE USED TO PURCHASE LEASE ASSETS THROUGH LEASE FINANCING AGREEMENTS. DO WE ALREADY HAVE ANY OF THOSE IN PLACE? YEAH. THIS IS THIS IS THIS IS WHERE THE ACCOUNTING PEOPLE, EVERY EVERY YEAR, THE GATSBY'S LIKE TO COME UP. AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE FOOL AND THE FOOL ACCOUNTANT EMPLOYMENT ACT. WHEN WE TAKE ON LEASES, THE PEOPLE AT THE ACCOUNTING STANDARD BOARD ARE LIKE, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE OBLIGATIONS. 
          AND YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO BOOK THAT AND SHOW THAT IN YOUR FINANCIALS. AND SO WHAT WE DO IS FROM A CASH PERSPECTIVE, WE GENERALLY PAY THESE LEASES EITHER OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS OR OUT OF THE DEBT SERVICE. BUT LIKE THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE LEASE, WE BOOK INTO THIS AREA. SO WE ARE DOING A LOT OF THESE LEASES NOW LIKE THIS. THE BETAS ARE FOR LIKE THE SOFTWARE ONES OR THE OTHER LEASES ARE FOR PROPERTIES. BECAUSE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS THEY WANT TO SAY LIKE, OH, OKAY, WELL, WHAT'S THE TOTAL VALUE OF THE LEASE AND LIKE THE FIVE YEAR TERM? AND SO IT'S NOT IN THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS, IT'S NOT REAL REVENUE. IT'S KIND OF JUST A LIKE A PLACEHOLDER, BUT THAT ENABLES US TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT. AND THE IDEA WITH ALL 
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OF THIS IS, IS THAT LEASES ARE, ARE, ARE LONG TERM OBLIGATIONS. AND, AND THEY ALWAYS LIKE US TO BE ABLE TO REPORT ON OUR LONG TERM OBLIGATIONS, LONG OR SHORT TERM OBLIGATIONS IN OUR FINANCIALS. BUT YEAH, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING A LOT OF THE, THE SOFTWARE NOW IS KIND OF COMING IN THAT WAY WHERE YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS COMMIT, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME. SO THAT'S HOW THEY GET YOU. ON PAGE 67, MAJOR RENOVATIONS, CONSTRUCTION, COUNTY FACILITIES FOR CONSTRUCTION. THIS YEAR, IT'S 3.75 MILLION, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE THAN ANY OF THE THE OUTLYING YEARS. SO IS THERE ALREADY PROJECTS IDENTIFIED FOR THAT FOR MAJOR RENOVATION? I MEAN, WE CAN PROVIDE SOME SOME PROJECT UPDATES FOR YOU, BUT IT REALLY IT'S TO FUND MULTIPLE THINGS IDENTIFIED DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. I MEAN, PUTTING BATHROOMS IN. YEAH, A REC CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO SMALL PROJECTS MOSTLY. 
          RIGHT. REC CENTER IS NOT A SMALL PROJECT. WELL, YEAH, AN EXISTING ONE. I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES YOUR HVAC PROJECTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE, WE JUST HAD RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD OF ESTIMATES, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE, WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY WITH, WITH MARY HASSLER ABOUT REDOING THE, THE HVAC AT JARRETTSVILLE JARRETTSVILLE LIBRARY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. IT'S KIND OF THAT, THAT, THAT CATCH ALL FOR DOING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE RELATIVELY BIG PROJECTS, GENERALLY PROJECTS THAT DO HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ESTIMATES. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, RATHER THAN SETTING UP, YOU KNOW, 50 DIFFERENT PROJECTS FOR, FOR EVERY, EVERY H, V, A C, EVERY ROOF, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. AND FOR STUDIES TO FIGURE OUT REALLY THE SCOPE OF PROJECTS, WHICH SOMETIMES IT TAKES A LOT TO, TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING WRONG WITH A BIG BUILDING SYSTEM. SO WE USE THIS FUND TO, TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S GOING ON, SCOPE IT, AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER WE CAN FUND IT WITHIN THIS CATEGORY OR WHETHER WE NEED A SEPARATE LINE ITEM. I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO ANSWER HEAR THIS OR NOT. YOU'VE GOT ME BANK BUILDING RENOVATIONS. ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO CALL THAT THE BANK BUILDING OR WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THERE? 58 YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CALL IT? MR. CHIPS? WE I WOULD CALL IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE BANK BUILDING. I MEAN, IT'S THE STATE'S ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY'S, IT'S ATTORNEYS. IT'S IT'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. YEAH. I, I DON'T DOUBT THAT AT SOME POINT IT'S GOING TO GET A MORE OFFICIAL NAME, BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE OLD FIRST NATIONAL BANK. YEAH. OKAY. AND M AND T BANK ON OFFICE STREET. BUT YEAH, NO, IT'S WE NEEDED A NAME, I THINK AT A TIME BEFORE WE ACTUALLY KNEW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO PUT IN THERE. SO THAT'S NOT IT'S PERMANENT NAME. 
          THAT'S HOW YOU PROVE YOU'RE A LOCAL, RIGHT? YOU ALWAYS REFER TO SOMETHING LIKE WHAT IT USED TO BE. WELL, I KNOW WHAT IT USED TO BE. I GO WAY, WAY BACK THERE. MISS ROBERT. YES. I JUST HAD TO TAKE US AWAY FROM ALL THIS. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE IT JUST CAUGHT MY EYE ON THE OPEN PROJECTS. I SEE THE SOUTHERN COUNTY TASK FORCE. WHAT IS THAT FOR? PAGE NUMBER FOUR? THE SAME. PAGE 56. YEAH. CAPITAL PROJECTS. LIKE THE STREETS WE HAVE. YEAH, YEAH. 
          IS THAT FOR THE LIGHTING AND THE STREETS? YEAH, EXACTLY. YEP. THAT FELL UNDER THAT. YES. I KNOW IT CAME IN BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER. YEAH. SO THERE WAS THERE WERE SOME PROJECTS IDENTIFIED IN PREVIOUS YEARS. OKAY. STREET LIGHTING AND STREET SWEEPING. IT'S AN OPEN PROJECT. THERE'S STILL SOME FUNDS IN IT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED OR NOT, BUT WHEN AS LONG AS THERE'S MONEY IN A PROJECT, IT STAYS OPEN AND ON THE BOOKS, IT ONLY COMES OUT OF THE BOOKS ONCE ALL THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT, OR IF NO MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT WITHIN A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ITEMIZED LIKE A ITEMIZED SHEET THAT TELLS ME LIKE, THIS WENT TO STREET SWEEPING AND YEAH, WE COULD GET WE COULD GET YOU THE ACCOUNTING OF WHAT'S BEEN SPENT OUT OF THAT PROJECT. THANK YOU. AND, AND I WOULD ALWAYS JUST SAY, LIKE WHEN ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS TO, I MEAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS AVAIL OF CRYSTAL AND HER STAFF THERE. YOU CAN DRILL DOWN IN THE FINANCIALS ON THAT PROJECT AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE LIKE WHERE THAT MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT, YOU KNOW, WHICH VENDORS AND ALL OF THAT. THANK YOU, MISS IMHOFF. SO FOR THE OPEN PROJECTS, YOU SAID IF THE MONEY HAS HASN'T BEEN SPENT IN THREE YEARS, THAT THAT MONEY WILL, I GUESS, WILL RETURN BACK TO THE CAPITAL BUDGET. CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, IN, IN COUNTY LAW IS THAT YEAH. THAT IF A PROJECT, IN ORDER TO KIND OF PREVENT PROJECTS FROM JUST BEING SET UP AND THEN JUST BEING A PLACE TO PARK MONEY THAT THAT AFTER THAT THREE YEAR PERIOD, YOU KNOW, THOSE FUNDS WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, 
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WOULD FALL OUT OF THE PROJECT. A LOT OF TIMES IT'S BONDS. AND SO LIKE, WE ONLY SELL OUR BONDS WHEN THEY'RE SOLD. AND SO LIKE, REALLY, THAT'S JUST KIND OF LIKE BOND AUTHORIZATION, IF YOU WILL, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT DEFINITELY IF IT WERE LIKE CASH, IF IT WAS PAYGO, THEN THEN WE WOULD RE-APPROPRIATE THAT PAY GO TO OTHER, TO OTHER PROJECTS. IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO GET A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT THE TIMELINE FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS, HOW LONG SOME OF THE THREE YEARS HAS BEEN USED UP, OR IF SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN SPENT? SO LIKE THE HUMANE SOCIETY HAS LIKE 7 MILLION, I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS FOR THEIR NEW BUILDING. YEAH. BUT THEY, I KNOW THEY'VE HAD, THEY'VE HAD EXPENDITURES ON IT WITHIN, WITHIN THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT TIME PERIOD. AND AGAIN, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, EITHER EITHER WE CAN OR YOUR CRYSTAL IN YOUR, YOU KNOW, IS ABLE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PROJECTS AND SEE, LIKE IF THEY LIKE WHAT, WHEN THEIR LAST ACTIVITY WAS BECAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS SEE, JUST SEE WHEN THE LAST, THE LAST ACTION, YOU KNOW, THE LAST EXPENDITURE WAS THINGS LIKE THAT THEN BECAUSE I KNOW THE CENTRAL PRECINCT AND TRAINING FACILITY IS LISTED HERE, BUT I'M ASSUMING NONE OF THAT MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT FROM THE 22 MILLION. SO YEAH, I MEAN, NONE OF NONE OF THAT. THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANYTHING SPENT ON THAT IN ABOUT, WELL, TWO AND A HALF YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          COULD WE GET A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT OF THESE? AND IF THE CLOCK IS RUNNING OUT FOR ANY OF THESE. YEAH. YEAH. AND AGAIN, I MEAN AND THE COUNTY AUDITOR CAN ALSO PROVIDE ALL OF ANY OF THOSE THINGS OUT OF CRYSTAL'S GIVING US A THUMBS UP. SO I'M GOING TO GET THAT FROM CRYSTAL. I APPRECIATE IT. SO AND JUST IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO PAGE 54 AND 55 SHOW THE SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS CLOSED DURING FY 26, AND THEN THE ONES PLANNED TO BE CLOSED DURING FY 27. AND THEN LIKE ROBBIE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE WORKDAY FINANCIAL SYSTEMS HAVE ALL THE LIST OF, YOU KNOW, CHARGES AGAINST INDIVIDUAL CAPITAL PROJECTS. MR. TIBBS, ONE MORE THING. 
          UNDER SITE ACQUISITIONS, YOU HAVE 10 MILLION IN THERE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS PLANNED OR IS THAT JUST A BALLPARK FIGURE WE USE THERE TO IN CASE SOMETHING COME UP? IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A BALLPARK FIGURE. YOU KNOW, 10 MILLION IS, IS TYPICAL FOR WHAT WE HAVE HAVE PUT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT. IT'S IT'S FOR THINGS AS THEY COME UP. 
          AS WE SAID, WE KNOW WE HAVE A NEED FOR SCHOOL SITE SOMEWHERE IN THE ABERDEEN AREA DUE TO CAPACITY ISSUES THERE. AND IT'S FOR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. WE KNOW, LIKE BASED UPON THE LAST TIME WE HAD TO BUY LAND FOR, FOR FOR A SCHOOL SITE. AND AGAIN, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF AN ATYPICAL PURCHASE. BUT AGAIN, 6 MILLION, $7 MILLION FOR, FOR THOSE TYPES OF SITE ACQUISITION. SO WE ALL KNOW LAND IN THIS COUNTY, PARTICULARLY THE TYPE OF LAND THAT YOU NEED TO DO A SCHOOL, YOU NEED A REALLY LARGE FOOTPRINT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE DAYS OF BEL AIR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT ARE ON A REALLY SMALL FOOTPRINT. THOSE ARE THOSE DAYS ARE PROBABLY DONE. SO NOW YOU NEED A LOT OF LAND IN ORDER TO AND LET ALONE A, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING LARGER THAN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. ONLY REASON I ASKED THAT WAS I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A SPECIFIC SPOT IN MIND WHEN THIS WAS PUT IN HERE OR THIS IS JUST A GENERAL. AND ALL OF THOSE. DEFINITELY WHEN IT COMES TO SCHOOLS OR IN THE SAME WAY THAT WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, SAY THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE TO PURCHASE LAND FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THINGS THAT THEY MAY NEED OR THE LIBRARY. IT'S ALWAYS A KIND OF A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH THE SCHOOLS. THEY VERY MUCH ARE GENERALLY PROVIDING. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, LIKE TO THE EVEN MORE PROPERTY, THE SCHOOLS WERE LIKE, THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT THAT THEY WORK WITH PLANNING AND ZONING. AND THEY'RE LIKE, THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT WORK FOR US. AND THIS ONE WOULD HAVE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, WITH BUSSES AND THIS ONE WOULDN'T. AND SO IT'S, IT'S A VERY MUCH A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, NOR WOULD WE, YOU KNOW, LET'S FACE IT, IF IT WERE IDENTIFIED, THEN WHOEVER OWNED THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE IN THE PROVERBIAL CATBIRD SEAT, YOU KNOW, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU, MR. TIBBS. MR. BENNETT, AND I THINK I'VE ASKED YOU ABOUT THIS BEFORE, MR. SHAMELESS, AND WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OFF TRACK, BUT WHEN IT'S ALREADY SO HARD TO KEEP UP WITH THE NUMBER OF SCHOOLS THAT EXIST TODAY, WHY NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE HAVERTY GRACE ELEMENTARY THAT'S 76 YEARS OLD. MAKE A BIGGER HAVE A DEGREE. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON A HUGE LOT OF LAND, A BIGGER HAVERTY GRACE ELEMENTARY TO HELP ALLEVIATE THOSE PRESSURES ON ABERDEEN AND HAVERTY GRACE VERSUS ADDING ANOTHER NUMBER TO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SCHOOLS. AND I WOULD PROBABLY THIS IS CERTAINLY A PLACE WHERE, WHERE WE DON'T REALLY CONTROL THESE DECISIONS. THE THE THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOLS. DO YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF SCHOOL PEOPLE IN THE SCHOOL COMMUNITY WHO DON'T WANT A LARGE SCHOOL AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE TOO OVERWHELMING FOR THEIR, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR KIDS. BUT THEN WE HAVE OTHER SCHOOLS LIKE YOUTH 
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BENEFIT, WHICH IS A VERY LARGE SCHOOL. AND THAT COMMUNITY WANTED A LARGER SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, AND SO AGAIN, WE REALLY ARE, ARE KIND OF THE, THE FUNDING PARTNER WITH A LOT OF THIS STUFF. THESE DECISIONS ARE REALLY DRIVEN BY THE, BY THE SCHOOLS AND, AND HOW THEY ADDRESS THEIR, THEIR SCHOOL NEEDS. I KNOW THERE ARE LIMITATIONS SOMETIMES ON HOW MUCH YOU CAN DO AS, AS IT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONS AND ALL BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE CLASSES, THEN YOU ALSO THEN NEED BIGGER CAFETERIAS, MAYBE BIGGER SYSTEMS. BUT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION FOR THE NATION IS, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW BIG SHOULD THESE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE DO YOU HAVE BIGGER, BIGGER SCHOOLS AND FEWER OF THEM? OR DO YOU HAVE MORE SCHOOLS AND, AND, AND THEY'RE SMALLER. SO ALL GOOD QUESTIONS FOR MONDAY. THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? WE'LL MOVE ON. OKAY. THERE'S JUST A THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER PROJECTS IN THIS GROUP. SO JUST DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE 165. THERE'S A COUPLE PROJECTS UNDER SOLID WASTE. ONE FIRST SOLID WASTE FLEET MANAGEMENT. SO 750,000 AND PAYGO. AND THEN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES AND PROJECTS AT 50,000. AND THEN ON PAGE 243 ARE THE WATERSHED MANAGEMENT PROJECTS. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THERE. MR. GINGER, YOU HAD A QUESTION ON WATERSHED. I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION ON PAGE 242, WHICH WAS SUNNY VALE STREAM RESTORATION. SUNNY VIEW. OKAY. STATUS ON THAT. WE CONTINUE TO HAVE CHALLENGES IN ACQUIRING RIGHTS OF WAY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. STILL THE ONE, STILL THE ONE PERSON, I TAKE IT CORRECT. MORE THAN ONE. MORE THAN ONE NOW. MORE THAN ONE. HOW BAD IS THAT STREAM? IT WAS PRETTY BAD FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO WHEN I THINK WE STARTED THIS PROJECT. SO I CAN IMAGINE, HAS IT GOTTEN WORSE? IT WAS IN A CONDITION THAT TOLD US THAT THAT WAS A GOOD PROJECT FOR US TO DO. WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HAD IT FINISHED BY NOW. AT SOME POINT, WE'RE EITHER GOING TO ACQUIRE THE EASEMENTS AND RIGHT OF WAY, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, OR WE WILL MOVE TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION THAT MIGHT BE MORE MORE, I GUESS, EASIER TO DO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. WE CONTINUE TO WORK. AND STEVE TALKED ABOUT IT ON THE ON THE HIGHWAY AND THE BRIDGE SIDE. AND IT IS FRUSTRATING FOR US TO NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK, GOOD WORK THAT WE DO BECAUSE OF THE TIME DELAY ASSOCIATED WITH ACQUIRING PROPERTY TO DO SO. 
          BUT IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO, TO DO IT THE WAY THEY WANT TO. BUT WE, WE KEEP WE KEEP WORKING WITH THEM. WE KEEP MAKING SUGGESTIONS. WE LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS TO AVOID PROPERTY IMPACTS. BUT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PLUG ALONG. 
          AND THAT'S THE WHOLE ISSUE IS THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY AND THE DAMAGE THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ON IT. SOME PERCEIVE THAT WE WILL MAKE IT WORSE. SOME PERCEIVE THAT IT LOOKS PERFECTLY FINE THE WAY THAT IT IS. OKAY. AND I AND I ALSO KNOW THAT IF WE GO AND DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO DO IT CERTAIN TIME OF THE YEAR BECAUSE THERE'S SOME TYPE OF FISH THAT COME THROUGH THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T EVERY, EVERY STREAM IN THE STATE IS GIVEN A CATEGORY ASSOCIATED WITH THE MONTHS AT WHICH IT IS EITHER ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED TO DO WORK IN. I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT I THINK IT WAS SPRING, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. BUT BUT OF COURSE, IT VARIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE STREAM. ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S FUNDED JUST WE'RE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. I JUST NEED TO KNOW. THANKS. ANYONE ELSE WITH ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, OKAY. MOVE ON TO WATER AND SEWER THEN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. STEVE. OUT OF THE WATER AND SEWER. YOU KNOW, BILL, WHEN WE. YES. I'D LIKE TO PAY IT. I STILL GOT TO PAY IT. WELL, THAT I CAN'T DO. THAT ONE. 
          THAT ONE YOU CAN. PROPERTY TAXES. WE DO HAVE TO MAIL BY STATE. OKAY. YES, I'M VERY ANXIOUS FOR THAT ALSO. GOOD MORNING MR. GOOD MORNING. THANKS FOR WAITING PATIENTLY. 
          WAY AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TRY TO KEEP THINGS MOVING THEN. SO FOR WATER AND SEWER, ALL THESE COST CENTERS ARE ARE IN THE WATER AND SEWER FUND. THE FIRST IS WATER AND SEWER ADMINISTRATION, WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE 468. THE TOTAL BUDGET OF 5,998,470 IS AN INCREASE OF 38,329. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 7247. THAT'S THE RESULT OF TURNOVER SAVINGS 
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OF 33,967, PARTIALLY OFFSET BY SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OF 649, THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING $49,006. 
          PENSIONS INCREASE 12,814. WORKER'S COMP DECREASES 999. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 34,313. 
          RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASES 4798 AND FICA INCREASES. 3493. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES DECREASE 4850 FOR OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AND SOFTWARE, PARTIALLY OFFSET BY INCREASES IN COUNTY FACILITY REPAIR AND FINANCIAL AUDIT EXPENSES. SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS. INCREASES 1500 FOR COMPUTER SUPPLIES AND DIESEL FUEL, OFFSET BY INCREASES IN, I'M SORRY, OFFSET BY DECREASES IN UNIFORM PURCHASES AND COMMERCIAL PRINTING. BUSINESS AND TRAVEL INCREASES 2163 FOR TRAVEL EXPENSES AND LODGING, AS WELL AS MEMBERSHIP FEES AND DUES. MISCELLANEOUS DECREASES 30,731 FOR PRO RATA SHARES. WATER AND SEWER ENGINEERING BEGINS ON PAGE FOUR. 74. THE TOTAL BUDGET OF 2,538,719 IS AN INCREASE OF 106,600. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 82,950. THAT'S A RESULT OF TURNOVER SAVINGS OF 77,539, PARTIALLY OFFSET BY SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OF 2787. THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 86,456. TEMPORARY SALARIES INCREASE 59,140. PENSIONS INCREASE 4889. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 18,900. OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS DECREASE 44,834 AND RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASES 35,000 TO 20 WORKERS. COMP DECREASES 2965. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES INCREASES 20,450 FOR LEGAL SERVICES, COUNTY FACILITY REPAIR AND BUILDING AND CUSTODIAL SERVICES, PARTIALLY OFFSET BY DECREASES FOR TELEPHONE SERVICE, OPERATING EQUIPMENT, SERVICE AND LEGAL NOTICE SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS. INCREASES 950 FOR UNIFORM PURCHASE BASED ON ACTUALS, BUSINESS AND TRAVEL INCREASES. 2250 FOR CONFERENCE RELATED TRAVEL EXPENSES AND MEMBERSHIP FEES. EXCUSE ME AND THERE'S NO CHANGE IN MISCELLANEOUS WATER AND SEWER MAINTENANCE BEGINS ON PAGE FOUR. 78. TOTAL BUDGET OF 12,387,579 IS AN INCREASE OF 1,134,279. PERSONAL PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 589,729. TURNOVER SAVINGS OF 112,667. SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OF 101,039. 
          THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 281,154. THERE WAS ONE NEW WATER AND SEWER UTILITY CREW CHIEF POSITION, CREATED AT A COST OF 101,943. THERE'S ONE NEW WATER AND SEWER UTILITY WORKER POSITION, CREATED AT A COST OF 77,000 319. TEMPORARY SALARIES DECREASE 18,000. 
          PENSIONS INCREASED 36,773. WORKER'S COMP DECREASES 18,579. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 79,747. 
          OTHER POST-EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS DECREASED 32,228. RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASE 56,000 116 AND OVERTIME INCREASES 30,000. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES INCREASES 416,450 OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICE. THAT'S THE RESULT OF OTHER OTHER PROFESSIONAL SERVICES INCREASING 290,000 FOR BACKFLOW PREVENTION. PREVENTER TESTING SOFTWARE INCREASES 38,500 UTILITY UTILITY UTILITY LINE MAINTENANCE INCREASES 25,000. FACILITY REPAIR AND RENOVATIONS. 
          INCREASES 50,500. UNIFORM RENTAL INCREASES 4000. OPERATING EQUIPMENT SERVICE INCREASES 4000. BUILDING CUSTODIAL SERVICES INCREASES 5000. SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS INCREASES 93,000. THAT'S THE RESULT OF AN INCREASE IN PIPES, CULVERTS AND FITTINGS OF 50,000 GRATES, MANHOLE COVERS AND APPURTENANCES TOTALING 30,000 GENERAL OFFICE SUPPLIES AND DELIVERY CHARGES. INCREASES 4000 AND SPECIAL PURPOSE MEALS AND UNIFORM PURCHASE INCREASES. 
          8500. BUSINESS AND TRAVEL INCREASES 23,100. THAT'S THE RESULT OF AN INCREASE IN COUNTY 
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OWNED VEHICLE EXPENSE OF 32,500, AND TRAVEL EXPENSES INCREASE AT 4600 BASED ON ACTUALS, AND THOSE ARE PARTIALLY OFFSET BY A DECREASE IN TRAINING COSTS AT A SAVINGS OF 15,000. CAPITAL OUTLAY INCREASES, 3000 FOR SHORING, EXCAVATION AND OTHER EQUIPMENT. MISCELLANEOUS DECREASES 18,000 FOR PAYMENTS TO HIGHWAYS. FUND FOR WATER AND SEWER INSPECTIONS. NEXT IS WATER PRODUCTION, WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE FOUR. 82. TOTAL BUDGET OF 16,004,964 IS AN INCREASE OF 455,894. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 469,594. THAT'S THE RESULT OF SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OF 10,025 COLA AND MERIT, TOTALING 282,783. THERE'S TWO NEW ELECTRICIAN POSITIONS CREATED, HALF FUNDED IN IN THIS DIVISION AT A COST OF 99,481. TEMPORARY SALARIES DECREASED 2808. 
          PENSIONS INCREASE TO 26,738. WORKER'S COMP DECREASES 11,562. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASE 25,123. 
          OPEB DECREASES 24,644. RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASES 34,606 AND FICA INCREASES. 29,993. CONTRACTUAL SERVICES DECREASES 2100. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS OR BUSINESS AND TRAVEL EQUIPMENT DECREASES. 11,600 FOR VARIOUS OPERATING EQUIPMENT SUCH AS WELLS, ELEVATED TANKS, ELECTRONIC PROCESS CONTROL EQUIPMENT, GENERATORS, PUMPS, SPREADERS, FLOW METERS AND VALVES. AND THERE'S NO CHANGE IN MISCELLANEOUS. AND THEN NEXT IS WATER WASTEWATER PROCESSING, WHICH BEGINS ON PAGE 486. THE TOTAL BUDGET OF 24,002,738 IS AN INCREASE OF 435,828. PERSONAL SERVICES INCREASES 570,528. THAT'S THE RESULT OF TURNOVER SAVINGS OF 85,678, PARTIALLY OFFSET BY SALARY ADJUSTMENTS OF 50,000, THE COLA AND MERIT TOTALING 300,499. TWO NEW ELECTRICIANS POSITIONS CREATED HALF FUNDED TO THIS DIVISION AT A COST OF 99,480. TEMPORARY SALARIES INCREASED 2184. PENSIONS INCREASED 39,193. WORKER'S COMP DECREASES 21,775. HEALTH BENEFITS INCREASED 76,000 TO 99. OPEB DECREASES 25,192. RETIREMENT HEALTH SAVINGS INCREASES 56,565. 
          OVERTIME INCREASES 65,000. SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL INCREASES 3600 AND FICA INCREASES 10,353. 
          CONTRACTUAL SERVICES DECREASES 96,100 FOR FACILITY REPAIR BASED ON ACTUALS, SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS. DECREASES 7000 FOR COMMERCIAL PRINTING AND BULK CHEMICALS BASED ON ACTUALS, BUSINESS AND TRAVEL. THERE'S NO CHANGE. CAPITAL OUTLAY DECREASES 31,600 FOR SMALL EQUIPMENT, AND THEN THERE'S NO CHANGE IN MISCELLANEOUS. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE WATER AND SEWER OPERATING. NO I JUST AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE THE PERFORMANCE, THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT THAT YOU PRODUCE EACH AND EVERY DAY. AND I SAY PRODUCT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THAT WATER THAT WE'RE DRINKING. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT TREATING THAT WATER THAT WE'RE BUYING IT. THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS BECAUSE WATER AND SEWER IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND, RIGHT? WHAT IS THE POT OF THAT MONEY THAT WE HAVE BOTH ASSIGNED AND UNASSIGNED? WHAT IS THE TOTAL? BECAUSE WHEN WE SIT HERE LOOKING AT 22 MILLION, 16 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS, WE KNOW THERE'S A POT THAT WE'RE DRAWING FROM. DO WE KNOW THAT NUMBER? I THINK THE LAST TIME WE TALKED, IT WAS NEARLY A QUARTER OF $1 BILLION. I THOUGHT I BROUGHT MY ACTOR WITH ME, I DID, I MUST HAVE LEFT IT BACK AT THE OFFICE. LET ME PULL IT UP, RUN BACK AND GET IT. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, IF YOU COULD GET IT TO ME BY THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'D BE GREAT. I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, I CAN 
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PROBABLY I CAN GET IT. I KNOW IT TOOK A WHILE BEFORE TO GET IT. I CAN REMEMBER MY PASSWORD. 
          IF YOU HAD A BIGGER LAPTOP, MAYBE YOU WANT IT. I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. YOU WOULD THINK THAT I WOULD HAVE A YOU KNOW, THIS LAPTOP I THINK IS LIKE SIX YEARS OLD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR REFRESH IS, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST, NOT IN THE BUDGET, APPARENTLY. TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES. THAT'S FINE. AND SERIOUSLY, ROBBIE, IF IT'S IF IT'S TOO MUCH TO DO NOW, YOU KNOW. OH YEAH. IT'S KIND OF IT'S NOT JUST FUND BALANCE. I MEAN, EVERYTHING I KNOW THE TOTAL POT THAT I KNOW I KNOW WHAT HE'S WHAT HE'S WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO THE RESTRICTED IN THE THE NET ASSETS. YES. BUT WE'LL JUST MOVE ALONG AND I'LL I'LL GET IT. NO PROBLEM. A FEW MINUTES, OKAY. YES, MISS EMHOFF, I HAVE WHAT COULD BE LIKE A SILLY QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND HAVING A PART TIME EMPLOYEE FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DIRECT SERVICE WORK OR CONTRACTUAL. ON PAGE 477, HOW DO YOU HAVE 1.5 CHIEFS? SO A LOT A LOT OF POSITIONS IN WATER AND SEWER ARE SPLIT FUNDED TO DIFFERENT DIVISIONS. OKAY. SO IF YOU SEE A 1.5, THERE'S A POINT FIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S THE REST OF THAT PERSON, WHICH I'VE SEEN IN LIKE ENGINEERS AND MAINTENANCE STAFF. BUT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE CHIEF BUDGET ANALYST. IT'S VERY OKAY. WELL, IT LOOKS BETTER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER YEARS. THERE WAS 0.7 PERSON AND SOME OTHER CATEGORIES, BUT I JUST FIGURED A CHIEF, YOU HAVE ONE, RIGHT? NORMALLY THEY'RE LIKE SPLIT BETWEEN WATER AND SARA OR LIKE, SO LIKE, SO THERE'S ENGINEERS, SEWER, WATER MAINTENANCE. BUT WE TRY TO KEEP IT BECAUSE THE POINT IS, OKAY, THAT'S FAIR, THAT'S FAIR. IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF HUMANS, BUT THEY'RE DOING WORK IN DIFFERENT ACCOUNTING CATEGORIES. AND BUT YOU NORMALLY ONLY HAVE ONE CHIEF. HOW DO THEY SPLIT THAT ROLE? STRAIGHT DOWN, STRAIGHT DOWN. THE CHIEF MAY BE RESPONSIBLE IN THE WATER AND SEWER MAINTENANCE GROUP, FOR EXAMPLE. OKAY, OKAY. BUT WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE ACCOUNTS, WATER AND SEWER. SO IT'S THE SAME HUMAN PROVIDING CHIEF SERVICES OVER TOP OF EITHER STAFF OR EQUIPMENT OR SO ON, OPERATING IN TWO DIFFERENT POTS OF MONEY. HOW MANY HOURS A WEEK ARE THEY WORKING? I MEAN, THEY'RE WORKING 40 HOURS, OKAY. THEY'RE JUST BEING FUNDED BY TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. THEIR TOTAL COST IS JUST DISTRIBUTED ACROSS TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. REALLY? YEAH. 
          IT'S REALLY MORE OF AN ACCOUNTING THING. SO IN TERMS OF LIKE THEIR PAYCHECK, IT COULD BE COMING FROM TWO DIFFERENT COST CENTERS, BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE CHECK. IT'S, IT'S, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST NOT, NOT, IT'S NOT JUST WITH, WITH PEOPLE, IT'S, IT'S WITH, WITH OTHER THINGS TOO. AND I'M USED TO LIKE THE GRANT FUNDING POSITIONS WHERE IT'S BROKEN DOWN, LIKE YOU GET 30% OF YOUR SALARY FROM THIS PERCENT, YOU KNOW, FROM THIS SPECIFIC GRANT OR 20% FROM THAT. SO THAT'S HOW I'M USED TO IT BEING BROKEN DOWN, NOT NECESSARILY ADDING IT, BUT AND I WILL SAY FOR, FOR WATER AND SEWER, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY SET WATER RATES SEPARATE FROM SEWER RATES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THIS COSTS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE, WELL, IF YOU LIVE IN THE TOWN OF BEL AIR, YOU'RE REALLY ONLY ON OUR STORE, BUT YOU'RE ON TOWN OF BEL AIR WATER. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ONLY PURCHASING WATER. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAVING TO DO SOME OF THIS COST ACCOUNTING IN ORDER TO SEGREGATE THOSE COSTS APPROPRIATELY. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS ROBERT. YES, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON PAGE 479, YOU MENTIONED OVERTIME INCREASING BY 3000. WHAT IS THAT FOR THE IS THAT A FORECAST OR. PAGE REFERENCE AGAIN PLEASE FOR 79. EVERY TIME I SEE. SO SO THE MAINTENANCE GROUP ARE THOSE WHO GO TO THE FIELD TO TO FIX REPAIR, RESPOND TO THE LAKE, THE LEAKS AND THE BREAKS THAT WE HAVE. SO THAT'S A PROJECTION BASED ON LAST YEAR'S EFFORT FOR PROJECTION ON HOW MUCH OVERTIME BASED ON THE LEAKS, BREAKS AND REPAIRS WE HAVE TO AFFECT. IT'S AN ESTIMATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BENNETT. HELLO. GOOD MORNING. GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE NEW POSITIONS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING ON TO WATER AND SEWER? THERE ARE SEVERAL NEW POSITIONS BEING CREATED OF, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE AND AND THE SPECIFIC MOMENT WHY IT'S NEEDED NOW AND NOT LAST YEAR AND, AND SO ON. CERTAINLY. ANYONE IN PARTICULAR FIRST YOU CAN GO IN ANY ORDER. I MEAN, I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH LIKE THE TWO NEW 
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ELECTRICIAN POSITIONS BEING CREATED. I'LL START THERE. OKAY. THAT'S THE RESULT OF A PROGRAM. 
          FOUR YEARS AGO, WE STARTED A APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM. WE RECRUITED TWO APPRENTICES. THEY WENT THROUGH THE HCC PROGRAM WHILE THEY WERE FULLY EMPLOYED. AND PART OF THE AGREEMENT WITH THEM IS THAT AT THE END OF THEIR TERM, WHEN THEY WHEN THEY EARN THEIR LICENSES, THEN THEY, THEY OWE US FOUR YEARS OF SERVICE TIME BACK AS A AS A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN. SO THIS ARE TWO POSITIONS TO, TO RECEIVE THOSE TWO ELECTRICIANS AND WHY WE NEED THEM. OUR SYSTEMS BECOME MORE AND MORE COMPLEX AND WE HAVE AGING AND RETIRING SENIOR ELECTRICIANS. 
          AND WE REALLY NEED TO GROW THAT WORKFORCE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE LEVEL WE'VE BEEN DOING IT. SO THAT'S THE ELECTRICIANS. THE TWO OTHER POSITIONS ARE UTILITY CREW CHIEF AND A UTILITY WORKER. ONE, JUST IN SIMPLE WORDS, OUR SYSTEM HAS BECOME LARGER AND MORE COMPLEX OVER THE YEARS. THIS IS A NEW CREW THAT WE'RE STANDING UP. IT'S OUR TECHNOLOGY CREW, I LIKE TO CALL IT, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO DO CONDITION ASSESSMENT AND ASSET MANAGEMENT. WE'VE GOT A CAMERA TRUCK TO TO VIEW SEWER LINES. WE'VE GOT THE SL RAT. WE'VE GOT SOME HIGH TECH EQUIPMENT WITHIN THE MAINTENANCE GROUP TO DO THIS ASSESSMENT. BUT WE'VE NEVER HAD TWO DEDICATED PEOPLE TO USE IT BECAUSE WHEN A LEAK OR A BREAK HAPPENS, WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT FIRST. SO THIS IS STANDING UP JUST A TWO PERSON BRAND NEW CREW TO BE DEDICATED TO THE CONDITION ASSESSMENT. AGAIN, THE IDEA IS TO MAKE OUR SYSTEMS LAST LONGER AND HAVE AN OVERALL LOWER OPERATING COST, YOU KNOW, IN FUTURE YEARS. AND THEN I APPRECIATE ALL THAT. AND YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN THE CITY OF HAVRE DE GRACE. SO, YOU KNOW, I PAY MY WATER BILL TO HAVE A DE GRACE. HAS THERE BEEN. WELL, IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH THE HAVE GRACE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OR CONVERSATIONS AROUND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PURCHASING SOME OF OUR WATER FROM GRACE? BECAUSE I KNOW RIGHT NOW WE WE PIPE A LOT OF WATER FROM BALTIMORE TO ABINGDON. BUT, YOU KNOW, AS WE EXPAND OUR NEEDS FOR WATER, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT AROUND THAT? WELL, FIRST OFF, THE RELATIONSHIP IS VERY PROFESSIONAL. AND I'LL EVEN SAY COLLEGIAL OR CONGENIAL. WE HAVE CONSIDERED PURCHASING WATER FROM THEM. WE HAVE IN THE PAST, ALTHOUGH BASED ON THE CITY'S DECISIONS, WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY REGULARLY PURCHASING FINISHED WATER FROM HAVRE DE GRACE. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST CURIOUS OF IF THAT'S SOMETHING, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY SELL THE ABERDEEN AND, YOU KNOW, AS BELL CAMP GROWS AND ALL THAT, IF THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING YOU ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT, WELL, IT'S IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, AS BILL SAID, THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF IN HAVRE DE GRACE IS SPLIT IN TWO. CITY OF HAVRE DE GRACE OWNS, CALL IT HALF OF IT, AND THEY OPERATE THEIR PLANT ON THAT SIDE. WE OWN THE OTHER HALF AND OPERATE OUR SUPPLY. AND THEN WE PROVIDE OUR OWN INTAKE AND OUR OWN PIPING SYSTEM THAT GOES INTO OUR SYSTEM. AND RIGHT NOW WE DO THAT ANALYSIS OF OUR THREE SOURCES OF WATER COMING FROM BALTIMORE CITY, COMING FROM THE PERRIMAN WELLFIELD AND THEN FROM HAVRE DE GRACE, AND AT THE PRESENT AND FORESEEABLE FUTURE, THAT BALANCES WELL WITH THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE, WITH THE FACILITIES WE HAVE. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S THE TWO PIPES GOING DOWN ROUTE 40, RIGHT? THERE'S THE COUNTY PIPE AND THE CITY PIPE, RIGHT. ONE OF THEM IS OURS. AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO BUILD A PIPE. 
          THEY CERTAINLY CAN. MR. TIBBS, ON PAGE FOUR, 80, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, $290,000 FOR BACKFLOW PREVENTER TESTING. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. GOOD POINT. WE WE HAD A LONG TERM CONTRACTOR PERFORM THIS ANNUAL BACKFLOW PREVENTER TESTING AT OUR AT OUR LARGER ONES, COMMERCIAL ONES, BIG BUILDINGS. AND IT WAS A IT WAS A LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP, A VERY GOOD RATE WE HAD WITH THEM. THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. THEY THE OWNERS RETIRED. THIS IS REALLY AN ADJUSTMENT. WE NOW HAVE HAD TO SEEK A NEW CONTRACTOR TO DO THAT. AND WE'RE PAYING NOW FULL MARKET PRICE. AND THIS IS OVER AND ABOVE WHAT YOU WERE PAYING BEFORE, I ASSUME. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO HAVE TO. WE WERE SURPRISED AS WELL. WE ACTUALLY HAD A BID AT A SECOND TIME BECAUSE WE WERE THAT SURPRISED. OKAY. 
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NUMBER TWO QUESTION. THE PFAS, HOW ARE YOU? ADJUSTING TO THAT WHICH WE CAN'T PUT ON GROUND ANYMORE. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW OUR OUR DRINKING WATER SYSTEM IS IN FULL COMPLIANCE. SO THAT'S A GREAT. THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO BE IN. AND THAT'S A GOOD STATUS TO GIVE. I'LL TALK A LITTLE LATER ABOUT A CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT IS GOING TO SET US UP TO BE PREPARED TO BE READY IF WE NEED TO TAKE FAST ACTION IN RESPONSE. BUT AS IT STANDS NOW, OUR CURRENT TREATMENT TRAINS, AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE ARE ARE HANDLING THAT THREAT ARE REMOVING PFAS OR KEEPING OUR DRINKING WATER SYSTEM IN FULL COMPLIANCE? GOOD. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? I DO HAVE YOUR WE HAVE AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 25, JUST A LITTLE BIT OVER $250 MILLION IN UNRESTRICTED AND RESTRICTED 254 MILLION. SO 100 ABOUT A 139 IN THE RESTRICTED. THAT WOULD BE FROM THINGS LIKE YOUR YOUR HOOKUP FEES, YOUR ED USE, ALL OF THAT. THAT'S THE STUFF THAT WE USE TO EITHER PAY EXISTING DEBT SERVICE OR WE ARE NOW USING ALSO AS, AS A, AS A PAYGO RESTRICTED PAYGO SOURCE FOR THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF ABOUT SYSTEM WIDE CAPACITY RELATED PROJECTS. AND THEN THE UNRESTRICTED IS 114 MILLION. THAT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH. I BELIEVE NOW WE'RE RUNNING 120 DAY RESERVE. AND THEN WE ALSO USE THAT FOR PAYGO AS WELL FOR, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES OR REFURBISHING EXISTING FACILITIES AND THE LIKE. SO A LITTLE BIT OVER 200 AND 250, 50 MILLION. THANK YOU ROB. YES, MA'AM. BALTIMORE CITY HAS REPORTED THAT THEY'VE HAD A HARD TIME GETTING FLUORIDE TO PUT INTO THE WATER, THEIR WATER, BECAUSE OF THE EMBARGOES AND WHERE FLUORIDE COMES FROM. DO WE WE DO ADD FLUORIDE, I BELIEVE, TO, TO OUR WATER. AND AND HOW IS OUR SUPPLY? I SAW THAT ARTICLE AS WELL. I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY SUPPLY DIFFICULTIES FROM OUR WATER OPERATIONS STAFF. SO. I, TO MY AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE ARE IN GOOD STANDING WITH THAT SUPPLY. 
          THANK YOU. MR. GINGER. WHAT ARE CONTINGENCY PLANS IF WE HAVE A SEWAGE BREACH LIKE HAPPENED HAPPENED DOWN IN VIRGINIA OR MARYLAND, DO WE HAVE PLANS IN PLACE IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENED HERE? CATASTROPHE. I MEAN, WHAT'S THE. WE WE RESPOND TO IT. AND IS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR MORE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO DO AFTER SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENED DOWN THERE, THOUGH? WE HAVE ON CALL EMERGENCY CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS IN PLACE. SO SO GIVEN A CATASTROPHE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE EQUIPMENT BEYOND WHICH WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN HOUSE OR ON HAND, BUT WE HAVE THE CONTRACTUAL MECHANISMS TO REACH OUT QUICKLY TO BRING IN THAT BIGGER EQUIPMENT, THE BIGGER PUMPS, WHATEVER WOULD BE NEEDED TO TO ADDRESS THAT. HAVE WE HAD ANY BREACHES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS? NO. OKAY, THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. THANKS. BUT I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT A BIG PART OF, I GUESS RESPONDING IS THE WORK YOU DO BEFORE YOU HAVE TO RESPOND. YES. AND ONE OF THE, I GUESS THE, THE PROBLEMS IN THAT PARTICULAR SYSTEM, UNFORTUNATELY, WAS 70 YEAR OLD PIPE THAT HAD NOT BEEN INSPECTED OR IN THE PART THAT IT HAD BEEN INSPECTED. THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME REHABILITATION OR REPAIR THAT WERE EITHER DEFERRED OR NOT DONE AT ALL. WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A RELATIVELY YOUNG SYSTEM, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE THE PIPES QUITE THAT OLD, PARTICULARLY NOT BIG PIPES THAT OLD. BUT THROUGH THE THE DEDICATED WORK OF THE FOLKS THAT BILL HAS AND THAT TEAM OF SPECIALISTS THAT DO THAT ANALYSIS IS WE DO OUR BEST TO BE ABLE TO STAY AHEAD OF THOSE PROBLEMS AND ASSESS THE DIFFICULTIES, AND THEN ASK FOR THE BUDGET AND BE ABLE TO DO THE REPAIRS BEFORE WE GET THOSE TYPE OF BREAKS. DO WE USE DIFFERENT PIPES NOW THAT WE DID, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO? IS IT IS IT BEEN DIFFERENT PIPING THAT WE'RE USING NOW THAN WAS USED BEFORE? NO, NO NO. OKAY. NOTABLY NOT NOTABLY IS THERE I KNOW I'VE READ SOMEWHERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS DOES IS SOME OF THE REPAIRS FOR PIPING WITH STUFF THAT'S LIKE SPRAYED IN AND THEN HARDENED. IS THAT WHAT WE USE NOW TO FIX A LOT OF PIPES INSTEAD OF CUTTING THEM WELD AND REPLACING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING? IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE THE BREAK OR THE 
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PIPE ITSELF. OKAY. SPRAYING PROBABLY NOT FOR THE SIZE THAT WE HAVE, BUT IT'S A BASICALLY A SELF HEALING OR A SELF HARDENING SLEEVE THAT GOES INTO THE PIPE. AND THEN IT FORMS A, A, A PLASTIC LINER INSIDE THE PIPE THAT IS AS STRONG OR STRONGER THAN THE PIPE THAT TURNS OUT TO BE A FORM. OKAY, SO WE DO THAT MORE OFTEN. THANK YOU. SPEAKING OF PIPES, HE JUST MADE ME THINK ABOUT THREE WEEKS OR SO AGO, I NOTICED A BUNCH OF OUR COUNTY TRUCKS HAULING WHAT LOOKED TO BE THREE FOOT IN DIAMETER OR FOUR FOOT IN DIAMETER PIPING, I MEAN, TRAILER AFTER TRAILER AFTER TRAILER UP 22. WAS THAT STORMWATER PIPE? DO WE KNOW THAT SOME OLD STORMWATER PIPE WE WERE GETTING RID OF? OKAY, I JUST COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WAS GOING OR WHERE IT WAS COMING FROM, BUT I SAW SEVERAL TRUCKLOADS OF IT. YEP. OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE? MR. TIBBS, YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION ON THE DRINKING WATER, BUT HOW ABOUT ON THE WASTEWATER? WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH IT? THAT'S A GREAT AND IMPORTANT QUESTION AS WELL. 
          SO THE SO THE NEW MARYLAND LAW. NOW, THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED SETS AN ACTION LEVEL CONCENTRATION OF PFAS IN BIOSOLIDS. CURRENTLY, WHAT WE GENERATE AT SOD RUN IS WELL BELOW THAT LEVEL. SO CURRENT RULES, CURRENT REGULATIONS SAY WE CAN CONTINUE TO DISPOSE OF IT AS WE HAVE BEEN. IT DOES NOT AFFECT US. THAT'S GOOD. I, I READ THESE THINGS AND I'M THINKING THERE IS NO WAY THAT HARFORD COUNTY CAN AFFORD TO DO WHAT THEY REQUIRING TO DO WITH SOME OF THESE FOSSILS. YOU'RE RIGHT. IF THOSE LIMITS TIGHTEN UP, THAT WILL BE A VERY EXPENSIVE, CHALLENGING ENDEAVOR FOR FOR NOT US, BUT ALL, ALL WASTEWATER JURISDICTIONS OR PLANTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. TIBBS. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY? YES, SIR. SO CAPITAL BEGINS ON PAGE 355 OF THE CAPITAL BOOK. THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL FIND THE WATER PROJECTS. I'M GOING TO ASK BILL TO JUST MAYBE RUN THROUGH SOME HIGHLIGHTS. SURE I WILL. THANK YOU. AND I'LL TAKE JUST A MOMENT, IF I MAY. THANKS FOR THE KIND WORDS, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I'M GOING TO DO THAT IN KIND AND LOOK TO SOME OF MY TEAM HERE, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO WE HAVE THE CHIEF OF ENGINEERING, MATT LIPINSKI. IF YOU'LL JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND HE'S NEW ON THE JOB. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, HE IS A WHOLE PERSON, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THE CHIEF OF PLANNING AND ADMINISTRATION, DAVE BURKE, ALSO A WHOLE PERSON. WE ALSO HAVE TWO OF OUR MANAGEMENT ASSISTANTS, AND THEY REALLY CREATE THIS BUDGET AND HELP US EXECUTE IT. STEPHANIE WHALEN WITH WATER AND SEWER OPERATIONS. BETH ENDERLIN WITH WATER AND SEWER MAINTENANCE, AND THEN OUR WATER AND SEWER ACCOUNTANT WHO KEEPS ALL THE NUMBERS STRAIGHT FOR US IS DIPTI VAIDYA. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. YOU HAVE THE WATER AND SEWER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM REQUEST IN FRONT OF YOU. I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW PROJECTS AND THEN FIELD ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. BY PAGE. IF I CAN FIRST GO TO 359. WHICH IS WITHIN WITHIN WATER CITY OF BALTIMORE, DEER CREEK PUMP STATION AND VALVE IMPROVEMENTS. THIS APPROPRIATION REQUEST IS TO FUND THE COUNTY'S COST SHARE OF A CITY OF BALTIMORE PROJECT. THAT PROJECT IS TO IMPROVE THE DEER CREEK PUMPING STATION AND TO CONDUCT CONDITION ASSESSMENT OF THE BIG INCH. THAT BIG PIPE THAT JOINS THE SUSQUEHANNA ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BALTIMORE. THE COST SHARE IS BY AGREEMENT. WE PURCHASE WATER FROM THE CITY OF BALTIMORE, RAW WATER UNDER AN AGREEMENT, AND THE COST SHARE IS WRITTEN INTO THAT. THE COST SHARE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 17%, BASED ON CALCULATIONS SPELLED OUT IN THAT AGREEMENT. 
          THE LAST ESTIMATE FOR THIS PROJECT WAS $25.2 MILLION. SO THIS REQUEST SIMPLY COVERS OUR POTENTIAL COST SHARE. CONTINUING ON PAGE 362. THIS PROJECT, TITLED PFAS REMEDIATION AND THIS APPROPRIATION REQUEST, FUNDS A FUTURE NEED FOR MONITORING, TREATMENT OR OTHER TESTING RELATED TO PFAS CONTAMINATION. AGAIN, OUR SYSTEM IS IN COMPLIANCE NOW, BUT BY APPROPRIATING THIS MONEY, IT PREPARES US FOR UNCERTAINTY AND IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO RESPOND QUICKLY AND SHOULD JUST NOTE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE 
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FUNDING SOURCE OF THIS, THIS IS FROM LITIGATION RECOVERY, BECAUSE WE ARE RECEIVING FUNDS RELATED TO SETTLEMENTS FOR THAT. SO NOT NECESSARILY PAID FOR BY OUR RATEPAYERS, BUT BY THESE SETTLEMENTS. THANKS. OKAY. CONTINUING, I'M THEN INTO THE SEWER SIDE. PAGE 383, WHICH IS BIOSOLIDS FACILITY ENHANCEMENTS. THIS IS A CONTINUING PROJECT, BUT THIS APPROPRIATION REQUEST FUNDS A SECOND OR A BACKUP SCREW PRESS. THIS WAS A PLANNED STEP. FOLLOWING THE SUCCESS OF INSTALLING THE FIRST SCREW PRESS TO HANDLE BIOSOLIDS, AND IT FOLLOWS OUR BIOSOLIDS MASTER PLAN FOR EVERY MAJOR OPERATIONS UNIT OPERATIONS. IN THAT TREATMENT TRAIN, YOU NEED A PRIMARY AND A BACKUP BECAUSE ONE WILL GO DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE OR JUST BREAK. SO THIS MAKES THE BACKUP ALSO A SCREW PRESS, WHICH IS A MODERN, WELL-FUNCTIONING. TREATMENT UNIT. TO DO THAT FUNCTION. OKAY. CONTINUING. PAGE 392 TITLE IS SOD RUN FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND THIS APPROPRIATION REQUEST FUNDS ONGOING IMPROVEMENTS AT THE SOD RUN CAMPUS TO EXTEND THE USEFUL LIFE OF THAT OVERALL CAMPUS AND TREATMENT SYSTEM BY 10 TO 20 YEARS. SPECIFICALLY, THIS FUNDING REQUEST IS FOR THE REHABILITATION OR IMPROVEMENTS OF THE EIGHT SECONDARY CLARIFIERS AND THEN PRIMARY CLARIFIERS TWO, THREE AND FOUR, WHICH ARE THE OTHER TWO. AFTER WE REHAB THE FIRST TWO UNDER THE ONGOING PROJECT. SO THERE'S LOTS OF CLARIFIERS AND THEY'RE FAIRLY EXPENSIVE. AND ULTIMATELY WE NEED TO REHAB ALL OF THEM. WITH THAT, I'LL HAPPILY TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. BILL, IF WE COULD JUST GO BACK TO THE PUMPING STATION. 
          DEER CREEK PUMPING STATION? ARE WE AT THE MAX OF WATER THAT WE CAN DRAW FROM THE BIG INCH, OR ARE WE STILL HAVE CAPACITY THERE? WE STILL HAVE CAPACITY THERE. OKAY. COUNTY HAS PURCHASED A TOTAL DRAW OF 25 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. WE'VE PAID CAPITAL CONNECTION COSTS OR UPFRONT COSTS TO THE CITY 20 YEARS AGO. AND THEN ABOUT 2012, ABOUT ANOTHER 15 YEARS AGO. 
          THAT'S OUR THAT'S OUR LIMIT. WE DON'T USE THAT MUCH NOW. WE TYPICALLY DRAW TURNOVER MAYBE AROUND TEN MGD. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS IMHOFF. I HAVE A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE DEER CREEK PUMPING STATION AND THAT HUGE PIPE THAT GOES TO BALTIMORE CITY. THERE'S BEEN SOME CONSTITUENTS WHO HAVE ASKED TO SEE IF WE COULD POSSIBLY ADD A FIRE SAFETY EXTENSION FROM THAT PIPE, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE 95 CORRIDOR WHERE THERE'S NO FIRE HYDRANTS. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH BALTIMORE CITY, AND WE'RE OBVIOUSLY PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE PUMPING STATION, AND I ASSUME BALTIMORE CITY HAS TO MAINTAIN THE PIPING. BUT HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING, I GUESS LIKE A A SPOT ON THE PUMPING STATION THAT COULD ALLOW FOR A FIRE WATER ACCESS, ESPECIALLY ALONG 95. I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT. OKAY. AND IT'S A GOOD POINT. IT IS A CITY OF BALTIMORE OWNS AND OPERATES THAT. IT IS. IT IS THEIR ASSET. THEY WOULD HAVE REALLY THE FIRST AND THE LAST WORD ON ON AN IDEA LIKE THAT. BUT BUT IT COULD BE A NEGOTIATION, ESPECIALLY FOR IF IT COULD BENEFIT US IN SOME CAPACITY. IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY DISCUSSIONS. 
          THAT'S FINE. I'VE ONLY HEARD FROM PRIVATE CONSTITUENTS WHO JUST WEREN'T QUITE SURE WHO TO REACH OUT TO. THEY HAVE A LOT OF FIREFIGHTERS AND THEIR FAMILY, AND THEY LIVE RIGHT ALONG THE 95 CORRIDOR. AND THEY EVEN HAD IDENTIFIED THIS PIPE AND THEY WERE WILLING TO ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE LAND TO IT. THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE HARFORD COUNTY, BALTIMORE COUNTY LINE. 
          BUT THEY HAD REACHED OUT TO ME BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE IN DISTRICT B, BUT THEY WERE WILLING TO ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE PROPERTY IF WE WERE ABLE TO NAVIGATE BEING ABLE TO PUT A WATER ACCESS SPOT ALONG THAT PIPELINE. WELL, AS BILL SAID, THAT PIPELINE IS OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY BALTIMORE CITY, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE APPROPRIATE FOLKS WITH THE CITY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO STEER YOU OR YOUR CONSTITUENTS IN THAT DIRECTION. AND EVEN IF WE CAN KIND OF SAY LIKE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THIS IN A PARTNERSHIP, ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THIS PUMPING 
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STATION. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER REASSESS THE 1993 ROLE, LIKE PURCHASE OR IF THERE'S A MOU OR IS THERE LIKE AN ONGOING AGREEMENT WITH BALTIMORE CITY FOR IT? THERE IS AN ONGOING AGREEMENT WITH BALTIMORE CITY TO DRAW THE WATER THAT WE DO AT OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT. OKAY. 
          THERE IS NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT ANY OTHER DRAWS FROM ANY OTHER LOCATIONS FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE, AT LEAST NOT IN THE AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. BUT WE COULD SEE WHAT HAPPENS. I APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE, MR. TIBBS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUMPING STATIONS. 
          IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT THAT PUMPING STATION IS NEARING 70 YEARS OLD. AND. AND I DO KNOW THAT BALTIMORE CITY ONLY HAS A RIGHT TO DRAW SO MUCH WATER FROM THE SUSQUEHANNA WHEN THE FLOW IS CORRECT. WHEN THE FLOW GETS DOWN, BULMER CITY CAN'T DRAW IT. SO THEREFORE HARFORD COUNTY CAN'T DRAW IT. WHAT DO WE HAVE? DO WE HAVE ANY CONTINGENCY PLANS ON THAT? AS WE ARE EXPERIENCING DRY WEATHER FOR THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS? TODAY, IN NORMAL CONDITIONS, ACTUALLY THE WATER WE DRAW FLOWS FROM GRAVITY, ULTIMATELY FROM THE LOCH RAVEN. SO EXCEPT IN DROUGHT PERIODS, THEY DON'T RUN THAT PUMP STATION, RIGHT? SO WE DRAW GRAVITY. SO WHEN THERE IS A DROUGHT CONDITION, THAT'S WHEN THEY WOULD FIRE UP THE PUMPS AND PUSH IT FROM THE SUSQUEHANNA RIVER DOWN TO BALTIMORE. THE RATED CAPACITY 250 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, OF WHICH WE'RE JUST A FRACTION. BUT THEY CAN'T DRAW THAT. IF THE SUSQUEHANNA RIVER FLOW IS NOT THAT HIGH. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. THE ONLY REASON I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT FROM WORKING AT THE DAM, AND I KNOW WHAT THE FACILITY AND I'M NOT. I KNOW THEY HAD TO CUT THEM OFF IN 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT TIMES, AND BALTIMORE CITY WAS HOLLERING. AND NOW THIS IS WAY BACK BEFORE WE WERE TAKING A WHOLE LOT OF WATER OUT OF THAT. OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO AS A CONTINGENCY THAT IS. THANK THANK YOU FOR THAT. YES. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST ASSETS THAT THE CITY OF HARVEY DEGREES HAS BECAUSE, YEAH, MR. TIBBS IS THE GREATEST ASSET. YES. AND HONESTLY, THAT WE HAVE. AND I WILL SAY THIS TOO, ABOUT MR. TIBBS, ALL JOKING ASIDE, BEING SERIOUS, HE IS ONE OF THE STEADFAST PEOPLE THAT COME TO THESE COUNCIL MEETINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS. HE DOESN'T DO IT FOR YOU, PER SE. HE DOES IT BECAUSE OF HIS INTEREST FOR THE COUNTY. AND WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. BUT BUT BACK TO THE WATER. THE CITY OF HAVING HIS GREATEST ASSET IS THE WATER. AND WHERE THEIR INTAKE IS, IS BELOW THE BOUNDARY LINE FOR THE SUSQUEHANNA RIVER AUTHORITY. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE GUIDELINES THAT I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO. AND IS THAT SO? THAT TELLS US THAT OUR INTAKE IS AT THE SAME PLACE, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT, MR. TIBBS. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PRODUCE AS MUCH OUT OF THE FACILITY AS YOU CAN FROM THE NINE INCH, FROM THE NINE FOOT LINE. NO, BUT WE CAN SUBSIDIZE IT IF WE HAVE TO. THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. 
          ANYONE ELSE? HOW WOULD WE DO THAT TODAY? WE CAN CROSS. WE COULD TAKE WATER FROM HAVRE DE GRACE. CAN WE TAKE WATER FROM HAVRE DE GRACE TO. WE CAN TAKE WATER FROM HAVRE DE GRACE. WE HAVE A SYSTEM RIGHT THERE. YES, YES, YES, YES, THERE'S A TRANSFER THERE. GOOD. YEP. IT'S COSTLY, SIR. IT'S VERY COSTLY. BETTER THAN NOTHING. IT'S GOING THIRSTY. YES IT DOES. YES IT DOES. I'M NOT GOING TO TOUCH IT ANYMORE. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. WE GOT ALL THIS EXTRA TIME. I THINK WE'RE GOOD. WE COULD GET INTO THIS WHOLE DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER WE CAN PRODUCE WATER CHEAPER THAN THE CITY OR NOT. RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONE. THE NEXT GOLD? YES. 
          ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. AND THIS WILL CONCLUDE THE MOR
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